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Will the government shutdown in three weeks?

Yes
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No
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Postby Vassenor » Sat Jan 19, 2019 11:41 am

British Tackeettlaus wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:I guess that makes sense


Doesn't apply to Melania who just flew to Florida on a government aircraft for a weekend holiday.


Point of order, I'm not sure she did. I've seen it written out on Twitter as EXEC1F meaning it was a civil registered plane.
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Sat Jan 19, 2019 11:41 am

British Tackeettlaus wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:I guess that makes sense


Doesn't apply to Melania who just flew to Florida on a government aircraft for a weekend holiday.

Well obviously
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Postby Tobleste » Sat Jan 19, 2019 11:50 am

Unithonia wrote:This is ridiculous on the side of the Democrats. It's obvious that:
A: Border Security is in no way a proper issue to them, or even something that they care about
B: They want to block everything the president does. Hopefully the voters see this and decide not to vote for the hive-minds on the left.


"The voters" gave democrats the house. They are likely happy with them blocking Trump as the support for democrats was almost identical to the disapproval rating for Trump. Besides, most voters blame republicans for the shutdown.

Blame "hive-minds" all you like but it's Trump and his supporters that are in a small radical minority and don't realise it.
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Tobleste » Sat Jan 19, 2019 11:50 am

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
The Au Sable River wrote:
You’re a total moron. The wall is completely idiotic. It’s impossible to stop everyone from getting in, and they’re not stealing jobs. They do the jobs Americans don’t want to. Plus, your bullshit about being proud of being white, cisgender, male and straight is totally racist and uncalled for, you asshole hick. And yeah, I’m a hick too but I’m an open-minded, unracist hick.

You're so open minded you simply insult people who disagree with you. :roll:


Some disagreements are so basic, insults are as good a response as any.
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Postby Tobleste » Sat Jan 19, 2019 11:51 am

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Page wrote:Border security is an issue, it's just not an emergency.

It's something you don't believe in.


And not an emergency.
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Left-wing Utopia

Postby Vassenor » Sat Jan 19, 2019 11:56 am

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Page wrote:Border security is an issue, it's just not an emergency.

It's something you don't believe in.


And you know that how?
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sat Jan 19, 2019 11:59 am

Vassenor wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:It's something you don't believe in.


And you know that how?


Because Page doesn't believe in the existence of states lol
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Postby Valrifell » Sat Jan 19, 2019 12:10 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
And you know that how?


Because Page doesn't believe in the existence of states lol


The state is an illusion meant to keep the powerful in power >:(
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Postby Kannap » Sat Jan 19, 2019 12:17 pm

Is Trump bored yet?
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Postby The Grims » Sat Jan 19, 2019 12:18 pm

Kannap wrote:Is Trump bored yet?


Trump is whatever FOXnews tells him he should be.

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Postby Gig em Aggies » Sat Jan 19, 2019 12:20 pm

The Grims wrote:
Kannap wrote:Is Trump bored yet?


Trump is whatever FOXnews tells him he should be.

well I can see the new season of GOT is going very well
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Postby Luminesa » Sat Jan 19, 2019 12:30 pm

The Au Sable River wrote:
Unithonia wrote:This is ridiculous on the side of the Democrats. It's obvious that:
A: Border Security is in no way a proper issue to them, or even something that they care about
B: They want to block everything the president does. Hopefully the voters see this and decide not to vote for the hive-minds on the left.


You’re a total moron. The wall is completely idiotic. It’s impossible to stop everyone from getting in, and they’re not stealing jobs. They do the jobs Americans don’t want to. Plus, your bullshit about being proud of being white, cisgender, male and straight is totally racist and uncalled for, you asshole hick. And yeah, I’m a hick too but I’m an open-minded, unracist hick.

Very open-minded about sentencing immigrants to wage-slavery and to things which would make Cesar Chavez roll in his grave.
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Postby Luminesa » Sat Jan 19, 2019 12:31 pm

Galloism wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
Like the borderline slavelike conditions most undocumented workers experience for little to no pay under the constant threat of deportation?

Precisely - pasted onto reality, it's essentially an argument that "hey guise, we can't make our own people live in borderline slavelike conditions and work for less than minimum wage, but we can get the mexicans to be our virtual slaves!", which has always rubbed me the wrong ass way.

But you need to open your mind, Gallo! What you’re saying is bigotry! OPEN YOUR THIRD EYE.
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Postby The World Capitalist Confederation » Sat Jan 19, 2019 12:52 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Because Page doesn't believe in the existence of states lol


The state is an illusion meant to keep the powerful in power >:(

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Postby The Alma Mater » Sat Jan 19, 2019 1:14 pm

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Page wrote:Border security is an issue, it's just not an emergency.

It's something you don't believe in.


If one were to believe in border security, would one try to actually secure all borders, starting with the ones that currently are the biggest places of illegal entry - or would one try to build a wall in a place very few people currently invade and neglect everything else ?
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Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Thermodolia » Sat Jan 19, 2019 1:18 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Page wrote:I think that there ought to be a Constitutional Amendment that prohibits anyone, no matter what their job is, showing up to work without pay. You either pay them, or they stay home. That means if there's a shutdown, air travel in America ceases to happen because there's no TSA and no air traffic controllers. The FBI can't do anything, if there's a terrorist attack, too damn bad, they're staying home. Secret Service? Nope, the President can jog by himself and better hope there are no crazy assassins lurking (not the current President though, this President doesn't jog so he'll be just fine).

And some of you who are reading this will say "But if that happens the whole country will plunge into chaos, thousands of people will die!" That's the point, because if this law was in place, it would never get to that point. Shutdowns would end in 40 seconds.


We could, you know, just make the amendment say "shutdowns are no-no, use last years budget if you can't make up your stupid little minds"

Just a thought.

We don’t even need an amendment. We just need to repeal a law passed in 1976 that created this problem. Previously we just used last years budget.
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Postby Thermodolia » Sat Jan 19, 2019 1:19 pm

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Frievolk wrote:It might if it goes long enough to affect the appropriate federal offices. No Health Inspections for example, or the army not getting paid (After all, the Coast Guard isn't getting paid right now), might get the appropriate entities to wake from their slumber. That is to say, if Trump and his stooges or the apparent adults in the situation don't "compromise" first, which I hope they don't.

I don't think it will get to that point, plus the Coast Guard appears to be the only military branch that won't recieve pay., so I wouldn't expect the army to revolt. It sucks, but it is not a complete disaster.

We just hope it doesn’t go on till November. Two months without paying the military is going to be fun
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Postby The South Falls » Sat Jan 19, 2019 1:19 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
We could, you know, just make the amendment say "shutdowns are no-no, use last years budget if you can't make up your stupid little minds"

Just a thought.

We don’t even need an amendment. We just need to repeal a law passed in 1976 that created this problem. Previously we just used last years budget.

That's just a better idea, instead of political shenanigans like this.
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Postby Farnhamia » Sat Jan 19, 2019 1:20 pm

The Au Sable River wrote:
Unithonia wrote:This is ridiculous on the side of the Democrats. It's obvious that:
A: Border Security is in no way a proper issue to them, or even something that they care about
B: They want to block everything the president does. Hopefully the voters see this and decide not to vote for the hive-minds on the left.


You’re a total moron. The wall is completely idiotic. It’s impossible to stop everyone from getting in, and they’re not stealing jobs. They do the jobs Americans don’t want to. Plus, your bullshit about being proud of being white, cisgender, male and straight is totally racist and uncalled for, you asshole hick. And yeah, I’m a hick too but I’m an open-minded, unracist hick.

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Postby Thermodolia » Sat Jan 19, 2019 1:21 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Because Page doesn't believe in the existence of states lol


The state is an illusion meant to keep the powerful in power >:(

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Postby The South Falls » Sat Jan 19, 2019 1:23 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
The state is an illusion meant to keep the powerful in power >:(

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Postby Valrifell » Sat Jan 19, 2019 1:23 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
We could, you know, just make the amendment say "shutdowns are no-no, use last years budget if you can't make up your stupid little minds"

Just a thought.

We don’t even need an amendment. We just need to repeal a law passed in 1976 that created this problem. Previously we just used last years budget.


An amendment would be a permanent solution and one that should be easy to get the state's on board with.
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Postby Olthar » Sat Jan 19, 2019 1:27 pm

I'm legitimately afraid at this point, not because I think this shut down will lead to a disastrous outcome, but because I think it won't. No matter how long this shut down goes on, it'll have no serious impact on the will of the people, except an increase in pointless bitching, and once it's all over, it will quickly become old news and forgotten. The plutocratic government will squeeze the average person harder, and life for the poor will become ever shittier, but nothing of significance will actually happen. The people are just too damn apathetic to do anything. It was a brilliant move of them to openly pull up the curtain and expose the corrupt charade that is the American political system, because it succeeded in crushing the American spirit. Now, they are free to do anything they want with no repercussions. If we haven't revolted by this point, I doubt we ever will.
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Postby Corrian » Sat Jan 19, 2019 1:28 pm

Par Chic wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:antifa also assaulted a liberal for carrying a US flag, calling it a "fascist symbol".

So, antifa can fuck off.


So you support fascists?

Oh boy, you're one of those people.
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Postby Corrian » Sat Jan 19, 2019 1:30 pm

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The South Falls wrote:And they're not even good at stopping fascists without violence. With violence, they are ineffective at best.

I mean, if you really wanted to stop fascists with violence, just line them up against the wall and shoot them. Getting them even angrier is stupid.

And lining them up against a wall and shooting them won't make them angrier how?
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