US Government Shutdown- It's Over!... For Now

[Western Vale Confederacy]

He meant that one of the required conditions to become President is to have been born in the United States or to have two American citizens as parents.

Yes, and where is that enumerated?

Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 of the United States' Constitution.

[Salandriagado]

Where in the Constitution does it say your citizenship has to come from those sources?

He meant that one of the required conditions to become President is to have been born in the United States or to have two American citizens as parents.

Or to have been an American citizen in 1789, though that one hasn't come up for a while.

And maybe also all of the other categories under §1401, who are citizens at birth, not naturalized, but none of them have yet gotten a case to the Supreme Court to establish if they're "natural-born", whatever the fuck that means. Actually, "have two American citizens has parents" is also in that condition.


For reference, all of the following are US citizens from birth (and hence not naturalized citizens):

Anyone born in the US and subject to the jurisdiction thereof.
Member of Native American tribes born in the US.
Anyone born outside the US and her possessions to two American citizen parents, one of whom had previously lived in the US.
Anyone born outside the US and her possessions to an American citizen who'd spent a continuous year physically present in the US/outlying possessions and a US national.
Anyone born in an outlying possession of the US with one parent who is an American citizen who had spent a continuous year physically present in the US/outlying possessions at any time prior to their birth.
Anyone under the age of 5 found in the United States who can't be conclusively shown to have been born outside the United States by their 21st birthday.
Anyone born on or after the Christmas Eve 1952, outside the United States, with an American citizen parent who had previously spent a total of 5 years in the United States, at least two of them after their 14th birthday, including periods spent serving in the US armed forces, employed by the US government, or employed by an international organisation of which the United States is a member, even if that time is physically spent abroad.
Anyone born before noon EST on the 24th of May 1934 whose mother was a citizen who had previously resided in the United States.

[The Alma Mater]

Yes, and where is that enumerated?

Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 of the United States' Constitution.

That only states that one has to be a natural born citizen. It never defines what that means.

[Western Vale Confederacy]

Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 of the United States' Constitution.

That only states that one has to be a natural born citizen. It never defines what that means.

The usually agreed upon definition is that you must be born in the United States.

[Vassenor]

He meant that one of the required conditions to become President is to have been born in the United States or to have two American citizens as parents.

Or to have been an American citizen in 1789, though that one hasn't come up for a while.

And maybe also all of the other categories under §1401, who are citizens at birth, not naturalized, but none of them have yet gotten a case to the Supreme Court to establish if they're "natural-born", whatever the fuck that means. Actually, "have two American citizens has parents" is also in that condition.

As an example, Ted Cruz's father wasn't a US Citizen until 2005, rendering his eligibility sketchy under these proposed rules.

[The Alma Mater]

That only states that one has to be a natural born citizen. It never defines what that means.

The usually agreed upon definition is that you must be born in the United States.

Or born of US parents. Yes.
But "usually agreed upon" is not the same as "this is what it actually says". Heck, one could argue that it simply excludes robots (sorry Romney), IVF children and Jesus

[Purpelia]

The usually agreed upon definition is that you must be born in the United States.

Or born of US parents. Yes.
But "usually agreed upon" is not the same as "this is what it actually says". Heck, one could argue that it simply excludes robots (sorry Romney), IVF children and Jesus

Well to be fair, given all the things that have been done in his name I wouldn't want Jesus as my president either.

[The Alma Mater]

Or born of US parents. Yes.
But "usually agreed upon" is not the same as "this is what it actually says". Heck, one could argue that it simply excludes robots (sorry Romney), IVF children and Jesus

Well to be fair, given all the things that have been done in his name I wouldn't want Jesus as my president either.

Aside from which, he is already the King of Poland (and Mary the Queen.. do not think about that).

That implies a conflict of interest.

[Purpelia]

Well to be fair, given all the things that have been done in his name I wouldn't want Jesus as my president either.

Aside from which, he is already the King of Poland (and Mary the Queen.. do not think about that).

That implies a conflict of interest.

Say what now? Sources or it didn't happen.

[The Alma Mater]

Aside from which, he is already the King of Poland (and Mary the Queen.. do not think about that).

That implies a conflict of interest.

Say what now? Sources or it didn't happen.

https://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/cwn/2016/n ... he-country
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/7bmw ... poland-876

[Far Easter Republic]

If everyone made to work without pay refused to show up to work, shutdowns would end in less than 5 minutes. All it takes is solidarity and everyone being willing to come together. One employee who refuses to show up gets fired, but if no one shows up they can't fire all of them.

Perfect!

[Thermodolia]

He meant that one of the required conditions to become President is to have been born in the United States or to have two American citizens as parents.

Yes, and where is that enumerated?

Natural born citizen.

[The Alma Mater]

Yes, and where is that enumerated?

Natural born citizen.

That means "not born using a C-section".

[Salandriagado]

Yes, and where is that enumerated?

Natural born citizen.

Not quite: there's a few edge cases that might or might not be natural-born citizens (and, for that matter, having two American citizens as parents might not count).

[Thermodolia]

The usually agreed upon definition is that you must be born in the United States.

Or born of US parents. Yes.
But "usually agreed upon" is not the same as "this is what it actually says". Heck, one could argue that it simply excludes robots (sorry Romney), IVF children and Jesus

As Sal linked above US immigration and citizenship law lays out what is and isn’t an automatic citizen of the US. I know it’s hard to understand, especially if you come from a nation where they spell out everything in the constitution

[The Alma Mater]

Or born of US parents. Yes.
But "usually agreed upon" is not the same as "this is what it actually says". Heck, one could argue that it simply excludes robots (sorry Romney), IVF children and Jesus

As Sal linked above US immigration and citizenship law lays out what is and isn’t an automatic citizen of the US. I know it’s hard to understand, especially if you come from a nation where they spell out everything in the constitution

Oh, I know that. The question asked however "where in the constitution does it state that".
And it does not. Which also means it can change easily so that Ah-nold could run.

[Thermodolia]

Natural born citizen.

Not quite: there's a few edge cases that might or might not be natural-born citizens (and, for that matter, having two American citizens as parents might not count).

Under the current law having at least one parent counts. And tbh I really don’t care if it’s in the constitution or not. Immigration law pretty much states the IM isn’t a automatic citizen and therefore can’t be president.

Which was the original fucking point until Vass got pissy about the damn constitution

[Thermodolia]

As Sal linked above US immigration and citizenship law lays out what is and isn’t an automatic citizen of the US. I know it’s hard to understand, especially if you come from a nation where they spell out everything in the constitution

Oh, I know that. The question asked however "where in the constitution does it state that".
And it does not. Which also means it can change easily so that Ah-nold could run.

I don’t give a flying fuck what the constitution says. The damn thing can mean whatever the hell the judges on my payroll want it to mean.

And that’s where y’all made your mistake. Arguing with someone who’d readily change massive parts of the constitution and isn’t an originalist

[Bahktar]

hell the judges on my payroll want it to mean.

And that’s where y’all made your mistake. Arguing with someone who’d readily change massive parts of the constitution and isn’t an originalist

It works both ways - the constitution doesn't care if you want to massively change parts of it and aren't an originalist, it's going to work how it is working and has been interpreted. Because you disagree with the constitution doesn't mean you don't have to abide by it.

[Salandriagado]

Not quite: there's a few edge cases that might or might not be natural-born citizens (and, for that matter, having two American citizens as parents might not count).

Under the current law having at least one parent counts. And tbh I really don’t care if it’s in the constitution or not. Immigration law pretty much states the IM isn’t a automatic citizen and therefore can’t be president.

Which was the original fucking point until Vass got pissy about the damn constitution

No, I was referring to some of those annoying edge cases: having citizen parents doesn't count if accepting US citizenship would lose you access to tribal property and citizenship, or if you were born outside the US and possessions to parents who had never been residents of the US.

Entirely agreed on the actual point, though.

[Ifreann]

Hot take: Non-citizens should be able to old any political office, elected or appointed.

[Valrifell]

Hot take: Non-citizens should be able to old any political office, elected or appointed.

We already have Russian actors in our government, why do you want to make it easier for Putin?

[The Alma Mater]

Hot take: Non-citizens should be able to old any political office, elected or appointed.

We already have Russian actors in our government, why do you want to make it easier for Putin?

When you think of Putin, you think of manly walks.
When you think of Trump you think of a whiny man-child

If you want your country to be great again, whom should you serve ?
(Saru...)

[Ifreann]

Hot take: Non-citizens should be able to old any political office, elected or appointed.

We already have Russian actors in our government, why do you want to make it easier for Putin?

Do you really think it would be easier for Putin if his agents were standing for election openly, or facing the scrutiny of Senate confirmation hearings?

[Loben]

antifa also assaulted a liberal for carrying a US flag, calling it a "fascist symbol".

So, antifa can fuck off.

So you support fascists?

yes.