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Will the government shutdown in three weeks?

Yes
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No
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Postby WhatsamattaU » Fri Jan 18, 2019 7:03 pm

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WhatsamattaU wrote:Speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi, is claiming that President Trump leaked news of her traveling to Afghanistan before he stopped her from using a military jet for the trip. I don't believe it, because if it was leaked then the President wouldn't have stopped her.

Any evidence it was known beforehand?

According to the Washington Post, Nancy is claiming that the President's public announcement of his denying her the use of the military jet constituted "leaking".
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Postby The South Falls » Fri Jan 18, 2019 7:14 pm

WhatsamattaU wrote:
The South Falls wrote:Any evidence it was known beforehand?

According to the Washington Post, Nancy is claiming that the President's public announcement of his denying her the use of the military jet constituted "leaking".

And nobody knew before. It was supposed to be secret.
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Postby Chernoslavia » Fri Jan 18, 2019 7:18 pm

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Chernoslavia wrote:That’s exactly what’s happening. Letting him make this mistake.

Chernoslavia wrote:Can, literally nobody is going out rioting on the streets and no one is dying from hunger or food poisoning as a result of the government shutdown. Is the shutdown bad? Yes, but it’s not the end of the world. It mostly affects the federal workers who I can really care less about considering that a many of them are non essential and are under worked but overpaid. And shutdowns have never had a significant impact on the economy and any minor impact that it would have is expected to revert back to normal after the shutdown is over.

Others like who? Businesses really do not have to rely on federal workers. Land lords for example won’t suffer, as they can just find other tenants that will pay rent. In fact it is private businesses like Whole Foods that are volunteering their time and resources to help make sure that federal workers are fed. And as for the FDA? Private companies would’ve just continued to go much further than government regulations on food inspection like they always have, and FDA workers have returned to work again anyways. As for farms not being able to produce goods? That’s a lie. Most farms don’t get subsidies anyways and yet there is no food shortage going on. And even if the TSA continues not to work, private contractors will just pick up on where they left and do a better job, so calm the fuck down.

I’d really wish we’d put just as much energy worrying about our national debt.

A responsible adult doesn’t let 50 dollars burn away just so their kid doesn’t get a two dollar toy.

Callous disregard for fellow citizens noted.


All I’m saying is that the shutdown isn’t as much of a big deal as the left is trying to make it out to be. But you know what Can? You can always get off your ass and join Whole Foods in helping out the federal workers, but no...it’s much easier just to call your opponent immoral in an attempt to achieve the moral high ground.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Fri Jan 18, 2019 7:23 pm

Chernoslavia wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:
Callous disregard for fellow citizens noted.


All I’m saying is that the shutdown isn’t as much of a big deal as the left is trying to make it out to be. But you know what Can? You can always get off your ass and join Whole Foods in helping out the federal workers, but no...it’s much easier just to call your opponent immoral in an attempt to achieve the moral high ground.

Most people use Ctoan.

Also, remember kids, until Humungus rolls up to your house and asks you to just walk away, the shutdown is meaningless.
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Postby Xmara » Fri Jan 18, 2019 7:26 pm

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It's been one big circus since the day Trump announced he was running for president in 2015. I tell you this shutdown is completely unprecedented unpresidented. We've had nonstop media coverage covfefe with this. I'm just gonna sit back, eat a hamburger hamberder, and watch the show.
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Postby Chernoslavia » Fri Jan 18, 2019 7:29 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Chernoslavia wrote:
All I’m saying is that the shutdown isn’t as much of a big deal as the left is trying to make it out to be. But you know what Can? You can always get off your ass and join Whole Foods in helping out the federal workers, but no...it’s much easier just to call your opponent immoral in an attempt to achieve the moral high ground.

Most people use Ctoan.

Also, remember kids, until Humungus rolls up to your house and asks you to just walk away, the shutdown is meaningless.


Yeah okay, can. :roll:
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Fri Jan 18, 2019 8:29 pm

Chernoslavia wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:
Callous disregard for fellow citizens noted.


All I’m saying is that the shutdown isn’t as much of a big deal as the left is trying to make it out to be. But you know what Can? You can always get off your ass and join Whole Foods in helping out the federal workers, but no...it’s much easier just to call your opponent immoral in an attempt to achieve the moral high ground.


People can't pay bills beacuse trump wants a fucking wall.

Thats a big thing.
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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Fri Jan 18, 2019 8:51 pm

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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Fri Jan 18, 2019 8:56 pm



I wonder if the Dems will acknowledge Trump's offer or refuse it from the second he proposes it without looking at it.

Hopefully the former.

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Postby Seangoli » Fri Jan 18, 2019 9:01 pm

Chernoslavia wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:
Callous disregard for fellow citizens noted.


All I’m saying is that the shutdown isn’t as much of a big deal as the left is trying to make it out to be. But you know what Can? You can always get off your ass and join Whole Foods in helping out the federal workers, but no...it’s much easier just to call your opponent immoral in an attempt to achieve the moral high ground.


It will progressively get worse, and the effects of the shutdown will eventually (if slowly) start to creep into every day life. Its only been a month. Not much cam happen 8n a month. If it goes onnfor too long, we will start to see more ill effects.

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Postby Farnhamia » Fri Jan 18, 2019 9:03 pm

Seangoli wrote:
Chernoslavia wrote:
All I’m saying is that the shutdown isn’t as much of a big deal as the left is trying to make it out to be. But you know what Can? You can always get off your ass and join Whole Foods in helping out the federal workers, but no...it’s much easier just to call your opponent immoral in an attempt to achieve the moral high ground.


It will progressively get worse, and the effects of the shutdown will eventually (if slowly) start to creep into every day life. Its only been a month. Not much cam happen 8n a month. If it goes onnfor too long, we will start to see more ill effects.

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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Fri Jan 18, 2019 9:04 pm

Seangoli wrote:
Chernoslavia wrote:
All I’m saying is that the shutdown isn’t as much of a big deal as the left is trying to make it out to be. But you know what Can? You can always get off your ass and join Whole Foods in helping out the federal workers, but no...it’s much easier just to call your opponent immoral in an attempt to achieve the moral high ground.


It will progressively get worse, and the effects of the shutdown will eventually (if slowly) start to creep into every day life. Its only been a month. Not much cam happen 8n a month. If it goes onnfor too long, we will start to see more ill effects.


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Postby Seangoli » Fri Jan 18, 2019 9:04 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Seangoli wrote:
It will progressively get worse, and the effects of the shutdown will eventually (if slowly) start to creep into every day life. Its only been a month. Not much cam happen 8n a month. If it goes onnfor too long, we will start to see more ill effects.

Liek the breakdown of typing skeels ... ;)


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Postby Farnhamia » Fri Jan 18, 2019 9:06 pm

Seangoli wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:Liek the breakdown of typing skeels ... ;)


I may have a small phone, but I have YUUUGE hands.

Honestly, I thought it was the perfect conclusion to that post.
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Postby Spirit of Hope » Fri Jan 18, 2019 9:51 pm

Chernoslavia wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:
Callous disregard for fellow citizens noted.


All I’m saying is that the shutdown isn’t as much of a big deal as the left is trying to make it out to be. But you know what Can? You can always get off your ass and join Whole Foods in helping out the federal workers, but no...it’s much easier just to call your opponent immoral in an attempt to achieve the moral high ground.

I consider Air Traffic Controllers, federal law enforcement, food and drug inspectors, judges, fraud investigators, etc going unpaid is a big deal. Yes they are still working, but they are working for no pay. Of they stopped working our economy would crash. How long will they work without pay?

The full effects of the shutdown haven't even hit yet and it is getting bad if you know where to look.
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Postby The Alma Mater » Fri Jan 18, 2019 10:59 pm

Chernoslavia wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:
Callous disregard for fellow citizens noted.


All I’m saying is that the shutdown isn’t as much of a big deal as the left is trying to make it out to be. But you know what Can? You can always get off your ass and join Whole Foods in helping out the federal workers, but no...it’s much easier just to call your opponent immoral in an attempt to achieve the moral high ground.

How about start-up businesses or companies that moved their workshop that cannot start operating because there is noone to issue the required permits ?
Will you help out their employees and owners as well ?
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Postby Greed and Death » Fri Jan 18, 2019 11:07 pm

The Alma Mater wrote:
Chernoslavia wrote:
All I’m saying is that the shutdown isn’t as much of a big deal as the left is trying to make it out to be. But you know what Can? You can always get off your ass and join Whole Foods in helping out the federal workers, but no...it’s much easier just to call your opponent immoral in an attempt to achieve the moral high ground.

How about start-up businesses or companies that moved their workshop that cannot start operating because there is noone to issue the required permits ?
Will you help out their employees and owners as well ?

Most permits are local govnerment thankfully. There are federal mineral extraction permits (mostly oil and uranium) but those are not what I would call a start up.
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Postby The Alma Mater » Fri Jan 18, 2019 11:29 pm

Greed and Death wrote:
The Alma Mater wrote:How about start-up businesses or companies that moved their workshop that cannot start operating because there is noone to issue the required permits ?
Will you help out their employees and owners as well ?

Most permits are local govnerment thankfully. There are federal mineral extraction permits (mostly oil and uranium) but those are not what I would call a start up.


If it involves alcohol it is federal though. They need a permit from the Alcohol and Tobacco Tax and Trade Bureau.
So.. no more new brewers. Thanks Trump.
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Postby Thermodolia » Sat Jan 19, 2019 12:15 am

The Alma Mater wrote:
Greed and Death wrote:Most permits are local govnerment thankfully. There are federal mineral extraction permits (mostly oil and uranium) but those are not what I would call a start up.


If it involves alcohol it is federal though. They need a permit from the Alcohol and Tobacco Tax and Trade Bureau.
So.. no more new brewers. Thanks Trump.

You also have to renew said license every year too
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Postby The Alma Mater » Sat Jan 19, 2019 1:50 am

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Chernoslavia wrote:
All I’m saying is that the shutdown isn’t as much of a big deal as the left is trying to make it out to be. But you know what Can? You can always get off your ass and join Whole Foods in helping out the federal workers, but no...it’s much easier just to call your opponent immoral in an attempt to achieve the moral high ground.


People can't pay bills beacuse trump wants a fucking wall.


No, FOXnews wants a wall. Trump could not care less or else he would have made plans for it during the first years of his reign when he still ruled supreme.

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The Alma Mater wrote:
If it involves alcohol it is federal though. They need a permit from the Alcohol and Tobacco Tax and Trade Bureau.
So.. no more new brewers. Thanks Trump.

You also have to renew said license every year too


So if the shutdown lasts for months beer will start getting scarce. No more brewers, no more bottlers, no more imports.
Fear the beer, Trump. Fear the beer :P
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Postby Purpelia » Sat Jan 19, 2019 2:02 am

God dam it americans just give the man his wall. Geez.
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Postby The Alma Mater » Sat Jan 19, 2019 2:08 am

Purpelia wrote:God dam it americans just give the man his wall. Geez.

They have already given Trump a piece of paper and some crayons to sketch what he actually has in mind; but sofar it remains empty.
Cannot give him if he does not explain what he wants.
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Postby Thermodolia » Sat Jan 19, 2019 2:30 am

Purpelia wrote:God dam it americans just give the man his wall. Geez.

Hey it’s not our fault that the idiot couldn’t get the wall when his party controlled all branches of government
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Postby Seangoli » Sat Jan 19, 2019 2:53 am

Purpelia wrote:God dam it americans just give the man his wall. Geez.


Appeasement is a terrible idea with egomaniacs. Not trying to Godwin here, but that philosphy was used with Germany and Hitler in the 30's and ut only led to more outrageous demands. I am not saying that this will turn Trumo into literal Hitler, but rather that appeasing egomaniacs doesn't work. $5.7 billion for a tiny bit of wall today, of which he didn't even provide construction plans for, could easily lead to this shit happening later this year again over an even larger sum of money. For pity's sake, we don't even know how he actually plans to use the money in any sort of exact sense aside from "build a small part of the wall".

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Postby Purpelia » Sat Jan 19, 2019 2:57 am

Seangoli wrote:
Purpelia wrote:God dam it americans just give the man his wall. Geez.


Appeasement is a terrible idea with egomaniacs. Not trying to Godwin here, but that philosphy was used with Germany and Hitler in the 30's and ut only led to more outrageous demands. I am not saying that this will turn Trumo into literal Hitler, but rather that appeasing egomaniacs doesn't work. $5.7 billion for a tiny bit of wall today, of which he didn't even provide construction plans for, could easily lead to this shit happening later this year again over an even larger sum of money. For pity's sake, we don't even know how he actually plans to use the money in any sort of exact sense aside from "build a small part of the wall".

And not getting paid for a month is a terribly bad plan for government officials that include the military. It was tried time and again with the Romans and look how that turned out.
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