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Will the government shutdown in three weeks?

Yes
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77%
No
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The Rich Port
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Postby The Rich Port » Wed Jan 16, 2019 1:32 pm

Chernoslavia wrote:
The Rich Port wrote:
Us, mostly, because for whatever reason we choose to engage with Trump supporters on NSG on a daily basis.


Who’s us?


Me, mostly.
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The Greater Ohio Valley
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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Wed Jan 16, 2019 1:32 pm

Chernoslavia wrote:So who are the ones suffering from this government shutdown again?

All the government employees that aren’t getting paid since, you know, that gotta pay bills and eat too.
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Postby Page » Wed Jan 16, 2019 1:35 pm

If everyone made to work without pay refused to show up to work, shutdowns would end in less than 5 minutes. All it takes is solidarity and everyone being willing to come together. One employee who refuses to show up gets fired, but if no one shows up they can't fire all of them.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Wed Jan 16, 2019 1:36 pm

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:
Chernoslavia wrote:So who are the ones suffering from this government shutdown again?

All the government employees that aren’t getting paid since, you know, that gotta pay bills and eat too.


I know....those unreasonable banks and landlords like the monthly payments.
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The Rich Port
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Postby The Rich Port » Wed Jan 16, 2019 1:36 pm

Page wrote:If everyone made to work without pay refused to show up to work, shutdowns would end in less than 5 minutes. All it takes is solidarity and everyone being willing to come together. One employee who refuses to show up gets fired, but if no one shows up they can't fire all of them.


Evidently, that's what some of our libertarian fellows want. Downsizing the government and all.

You know, cuz that'll be GREAT for the economy, shutting down one of the biggest employers in the U.S.A.
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Hamstan
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Postby Hamstan » Wed Jan 16, 2019 1:37 pm

Page wrote:If everyone made to work without pay refused to show up to work, shutdowns would end in less than 5 minutes. All it takes is solidarity and everyone being willing to come together. One employee who refuses to show up gets fired, but if no one shows up they can't fire all of them.

General Strike when?
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Postby The Black Forrest » Wed Jan 16, 2019 1:37 pm

The Rich Port wrote:
Page wrote:If everyone made to work without pay refused to show up to work, shutdowns would end in less than 5 minutes. All it takes is solidarity and everyone being willing to come together. One employee who refuses to show up gets fired, but if no one shows up they can't fire all of them.


Evidently, that's what some of our libertarian fellows want. Downsizing the government and all.

You know, cuz that'll be GREAT for the economy, shutting down one of the biggest employers in the U.S.A.


Oh let's not go in that direction.
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* There is actually a War on Christmas. But Christmas started it, with it's unparalleled aggression against the Thanksgiving Holiday, and now Christmas has seized much Lebensraum in November, and are pushing into October. The rest of us seek to repel these invaders, and push them back to the status quo ante bellum Black Friday border. -Trotskylvania
* Silence Is Golden But Duct Tape Is Silver.
* I felt like Ayn Rand cornered me at a party, and three minutes in I found my first objection to what she was saying, but she kept talking without interruption for ten more days. - Max Barry talking about Atlas Shrugged

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Postby Page » Wed Jan 16, 2019 1:38 pm

Hamstan wrote:
Page wrote:If everyone made to work without pay refused to show up to work, shutdowns would end in less than 5 minutes. All it takes is solidarity and everyone being willing to come together. One employee who refuses to show up gets fired, but if no one shows up they can't fire all of them.

General Strike when?


I don't know what it's going to take, but I think eventually people will reach their breaking point.
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Postby Jolthig » Wed Jan 16, 2019 1:39 pm

Page wrote:If everyone made to work without pay refused to show up to work, shutdowns would end in less than 5 minutes. All it takes is solidarity and everyone being willing to come together. One employee who refuses to show up gets fired, but if no one shows up they can't fire all of them.

Trump would just call them "lazy and ineffective".
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The Rich Port
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Postby The Rich Port » Wed Jan 16, 2019 1:40 pm

Jolthig wrote:
Page wrote:If everyone made to work without pay refused to show up to work, shutdowns would end in less than 5 minutes. All it takes is solidarity and everyone being willing to come together. One employee who refuses to show up gets fired, but if no one shows up they can't fire all of them.

Trump would just call them "lazy and ineffective".


And part of a deep-state conspiracy to make the shutdown all his fault.
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Postby Chernoslavia » Wed Jan 16, 2019 1:40 pm

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:
Chernoslavia wrote:So who are the ones suffering from this government shutdown again?

All the government employees that aren’t getting paid since, you know, that gotta pay bills and eat too.


They will always get paid.
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Postby Jolthig » Wed Jan 16, 2019 1:41 pm

Chernoslavia wrote:
The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:All the government employees that aren’t getting paid since, you know, that gotta pay bills and eat too.


They will always get paid.

By whom?
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Telconi
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Postby Telconi » Wed Jan 16, 2019 1:42 pm

Page wrote:If everyone made to work without pay refused to show up to work, shutdowns would end in less than 5 minutes. All it takes is solidarity and everyone being willing to come together. One employee who refuses to show up gets fired, but if no one shows up they can't fire all of them.


Yeah. But that's a really big "If".
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Postby The Rich Port » Wed Jan 16, 2019 1:42 pm

Chernoslavia wrote:
The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:All the government employees that aren’t getting paid since, you know, that gotta pay bills and eat too.


They will always get paid.


Image
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Postby Hamstan » Wed Jan 16, 2019 1:43 pm

If this goes on for long enough, pretty much everyone is going to lose confidence in the Federal Government's ability to do anything. What will happen after that, I can't say, but bad shit generally happens when the people come to find their government is useless.
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Telconi
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Postby Telconi » Wed Jan 16, 2019 1:44 pm

Hamstan wrote:If this goes on for long enough, pretty much everyone is going to lose confidence in the Federal Government's ability to do anything. What will happen after that, I can't say, but bad shit generally happens when the people come to find their government is useless.


Or good things.
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Postby Evil Dictators Happyland » Wed Jan 16, 2019 1:44 pm

Is it too much to ask for the president to grow up, act like an adult, and not throw a temper tantrum the moment he doesn't get what he wants?

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Evil Dictators Happyland
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Postby Evil Dictators Happyland » Wed Jan 16, 2019 1:45 pm

Telconi wrote:
Hamstan wrote:If this goes on for long enough, pretty much everyone is going to lose confidence in the Federal Government's ability to do anything. What will happen after that, I can't say, but bad shit generally happens when the people come to find their government is useless.


Or good things.

Please, cite an example of such a good thing.

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Internationalist Bastard
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Wed Jan 16, 2019 1:45 pm

Hamstan wrote:If this goes on for long enough, pretty much everyone is going to lose confidence in the Federal Government's ability to do anything. What will happen after that, I can't say, but bad shit generally happens when the people come to find their government is useless.

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Postby The Rich Port » Wed Jan 16, 2019 1:46 pm

Evil Dictators Happyland wrote:Is it too much to ask for the president to grow up, act like an adult, and not throw a temper tantrum the moment he doesn't get what he wants?


Yes, it's evidently too much to ask.
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Wed Jan 16, 2019 1:48 pm

Evil Dictators Happyland wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Or good things.

Please, cite an example of such a good thing.

Well sometimes it ends in positive regime change
I know Benin has been steadily improving ever since the completely worthless communist regime ended, for example
No that’s not an invitation to talk about communism, the leader was just shit, but he later got democratically elected so it’s hard to refer to the regime by the mans name
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Postby Hamstan » Wed Jan 16, 2019 1:48 pm

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
Hamstan wrote:If this goes on for long enough, pretty much everyone is going to lose confidence in the Federal Government's ability to do anything. What will happen after that, I can't say, but bad shit generally happens when the people come to find their government is useless.

My fears of revolution and civil conflicts grow by day

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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Wed Jan 16, 2019 1:49 pm

Evil Dictators Happyland wrote:Is it too much to ask for the president to grow up, act like an adult, and not throw a temper tantrum the moment he doesn't get what he wants?

What’s you expect, competance?
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Postby Northern Davincia » Wed Jan 16, 2019 1:49 pm

Evil Dictators Happyland wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Or good things.

Please, cite an example of such a good thing.

Private citizens are cleaning up national parks and private security does a better job than the TSA.
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Postby Chernoslavia » Wed Jan 16, 2019 1:52 pm

The Rich Port wrote:
Chernoslavia wrote:
They will always get paid.


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You do realize they will get paid all that is owed once this is over correct?
What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

- Alexander Solzhenitsyn

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