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Sahansahiye Iran
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Australian rePublic wrote:
Erythrean Thebes wrote:As I think, Jesus having been born into sin was a major reason why his subsequent life, teaching, and sacrifice was viewed as an impressive achievement and an act of heroism among the Jews. For the angel of the Lord said, in the Gospels of Matthew, "he shall save his people from their sins."

We, as Orthodox Christians, don't believe that we're born in sim

Well, that's not true.
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Dogmeat
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Australian rePublic wrote:So all of you who refuse to believe in God, because of lack of evidence, where do you stand on aliens?

I don't "refuse" to believe in a god. I'm more then willing to accept the existence of any that care to make themselves known.

Your position isn't like belief in the possibility of alien life, it's more like believing in Klingons. Just Klingons. And saying that no other aliens besides Klingons exist.
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The Alma Mater
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Australian rePublic wrote:So all of you who refuse to believe in God, because of lack of evidence, where do you stand on aliens?

Why,obviously aliens exist and they are exactly as portrayed in star wars.

If you ask why it is obvious I will offer long and often nonsensical arguments on why not believing in aliens in general is silly, sometimes laced with canonquotes like "I find your lack of faith ... disturbing". If you ask why Star Wars and not any of the other mainseries like Trek, Babylon 5, Stargate etc or parodies like the Orville or even a more scientific approach - I will simply ignore your question or vaguely answer that those are "unsatisying' or "unconvincing", never going into detail, and then quickly return to bashing nonbelief in general aliens and pretending science supports the existing of light sabers perfectly by citing a few obscure scientists in an entirely different field than physics who nevertheless share my beliefs and have a title, so I might impress the gullible listener.

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Australian rePublic wrote:So all of you who refuse to believe in God, because of lack of evidence, where do you stand on aliens?

Refuse to believe in god is inaccurate, I have yet to see any evidence for a god and so do not believe. As far as aliens go, there is also no evidence of aliens, but there is evidence that life exists within the universe (namely life on this planet) so it is entirely believable that somewhere out there there was or is life. A timeless, spaceless, bodyless being...well there is no evidence that such a thing could exist.
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Australian rePublic wrote:So all of you who refuse to believe in God, because of lack of evidence, where do you stand on aliens?

As I tell my students whenever they bring up that exact question:

“Well, Trump’s grousing about needing a wall to keep SOMETHING out...”
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Australian rePublic wrote:So all of you who refuse to believe in God, because of lack of evidence, where do you stand on aliens?

I do not believe that UFO's are aliens or that there are aliens at Area 51 or that abductions happen or any of that.

But I do consider it to be very likely that other intelligent life has developed somewhere within our observable universe. I consider the existence of aliens to be significantly more probable than the existence of a god, because intelligent life developing on a planet is a thing we know has happened at least once.
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Australian rePublic wrote:So all of you who refuse to believe in God, because of lack of evidence, where do you stand on aliens?

Statistically likely to exist, but I'm not committing myself one way or the other until there's more evidence.

Overall: probably exist, probably no major technological civilisations in our galaxy.
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Notice that the link is to the notes from a university course on probability. You clearly have nothing beyond the most absurdly simplistic understanding of the subject.
By choosing 1, you no longer have 0 probability of choosing 1. End of subject.

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There's more evidence that life exists elsewhere in the universe because we know life exists in the universe, which is already more evidence than there is for any god.
So at the very least, it's possible.
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Australian rePublic wrote:So all of you who refuse to believe in God, because of lack of evidence, where do you stand on aliens?

I think it is possible they exist as we know that intelligent life exist in the universe in the form of us and that there are many planets with earth like conditions.
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Australian rePublic wrote:So all of you who refuse to believe in God, because of lack of evidence, where do you stand on aliens?

I dont know? The universe is vast, there could be a possibility. I mean, if microscopic life is discovered out there, that would lead me to believe that there could be another sentient race or maybe just a planet with life like ours, but I wouldnt make any positive or negative claims about such things.

To answer what you really want answered: even if I said yes, aliens probably exist somewhere, that would not be the same as saying an omnipotent God probably exists. We know the process by which we got here even if we dont know exactly how that process began. Armed with this knowledge, we could then assume that this process could take place on any planet similar to our own. God, on the other hand, is not something we have seen happen in the natural world before and, therefore, we cannot assume that one exists based on that.

Edit: wow I didnt realize how late to the punch I was. Perhaps in the future, you wont try to ask a loaded question:

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Australian rePublic wrote:So all of you who refuse to believe in God, because of lack of evidence, where do you stand on aliens?

Contrary to God, there is some tangible evidence that alien life exists in some form; for example the organic compounds that are precursors for life have been found in meteors, indicating that the same organic compounds that gave rise to life on Earth are also present elsewhere in the universe.
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Why should I?

There are perhaps billions of gods out there, ranging from deistic deities to the all-controlling force of Buddhism, to the all-knowing, all-loving, all-powerful Yahweh, to whatever god some aliens possibly worship.

There are billions to choose from, and yet they all have the same amount of evidence, along with the contrary. So, really, why should I believe in this one god or this one particular set of gods when or the lack thereof when all the evidence points to "We don't f**king know"?
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Cekoviu
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Vaeruio wrote:I am an Christian, specifically LDS. Though I won't speak of why I believe, as I am bad at explaining things. Anyways I am going to take a neutral stance in this discussion, as it could either way god could be real or he could be fake. Maybe I'll break that neutrality and try and answer some questions but I don't know, anyways bye.

You do realise that it's now inappropriate to say "I'm LDS", you have to say "I'm a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints." Apostate.
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Cekoviu wrote:
Vaeruio wrote:I am an Christian, specifically LDS. Though I won't speak of why I believe, as I am bad at explaining things. Anyways I am going to take a neutral stance in this discussion, as it could either way god could be real or he could be fake. Maybe I'll break that neutrality and try and answer some questions but I don't know, anyways bye.

You do realise that it's now inappropriate to say "I'm LDS", you have to say "I'm a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints." Apostate.
Yes, I was in a hurry so I didn't have time, though even despite that people still say Mormon or LDS, even members.
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Estanglia
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Personally, I don't believe in a God a religion claims to exist because:
1) There is no evidence of it
2) There are so many. Why is one specific God the correct one and not any other God?

I do, however, believe in something you could call a God. I consider it to be responsible for the universe's existence and its properties. Whether this 'God' is a separate entity or the universe itself I cannot tell you, nor can I prove its existence.
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Australian rePublic wrote:So all of you who refuse to believe in God, because of lack of evidence, where do you stand on aliens?

My stance? I believe in the facts more then feelings, so I believe that Aliens are just as likely as humans, and may be very similar is personality. Oppressive, cheatful, back-stabbing and lustful, but their will always be a sentient who is loving, kind and understanding. Their looks? They may look similar to humans in some ways as (eventual) evolution will take them. They may have tails, be taller, be as small as an ant. I guess their evolution will depend on how early they were evolved, if before humans, they may be more complex, they may be philosophical or be technocrats. Honestly, I think their just a possible as humans, and just like us in almost every way.
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Australian rePublic wrote:So all of you who refuse to believe in God, because of lack of evidence, where do you stand on aliens?

That's a different question altogether. Sure, there isn't any evidence of alien life, but the universe is so vast that it must have happened elsewhere, as it has here. The same can't be said for a god, which isn't really subject to the same reasoning. On top of that, (the vast majority of) people don't believe in any alien, just in the fact that alien life of some sort may be out there. Similarly, I believe a god no society has worshipped yet that simply observes us without interacting with us is much more plausible and believable than any of the thousands of gods we've created.

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There are a couple of reasons for why I have faith in God (as a practicing Roman Catholic):

• First, if you look at our universe, it's hard for me not to think that is the result of a Creator. There are so many variables that could've been changed by the most minute of fractions and the universe and as a product would not exist.
• Second, I like Pascal's Wager as an argument. If I believe in a god, and one does exist, it is a positive outcome. If I believe in a god, or if a do not believe in one, and no god exists, nothing happens and I won't live to tell the tale -- thus, a wash. If I don't believe in a god, and one does exist, then it is an infinitely negative outcome. Plus, it's not like religion is hurting my life in any way.
• Third and finally, without a higher creator, morals are subjective and human rights cannot be justified. I know many atheists who have morals, but those stem from a Judeo-Christian society.
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Sacara wrote:There are a couple of reasons for why I have faith in God (as a practicing Roman Catholic):

• First, if you look at our universe, it's hard for me not to think that is the result of a Creator. There are so many variables that could've been changed by the most minute of fractions and the universe and as a product would not exist.

So why Catholicism and not Hinduism or any of the other 398 billion religions ?

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• Second, I like Pascal's Wager as an argument. If I believe in a god, and one does exist, it is a positive outcome. If I believe in a god, or if a do not believe in one, and no god exists, nothing happens and I won't live to tell the tale -- thus, a wash. If I don't believe in a god, and one does exist, then it is an infinitely negative outcome. Plus, it's not like religion is hurting my life in any way.

• And what did you think of the counterarguments ? They've only been around for a few centuries, so surely you are aware of them
• Third and finally, without a higher creator, morals are subjective and human rights cannot be justified. I know many atheists who have morals, but those stem from a Judeo-Christian society.

• Nice way to subtly insult all other religions.
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The Alma Mater wrote:And what did you think of the counterarguments? They've only been around for a few centuries, so surely you are aware of them
Right, yet I feel like the argument itself outweighs the counterargument.
The Alma Mater wrote:Nice way to subtly insult all other religions.
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Sacara wrote:
The Alma Mater wrote:And what did you think of the counterarguments? They've only been around for a few centuries, so surely you are aware of them
Right, yet I feel like the argument itself outweighs the counterargument.

You should have no problem explaining the counterarguments then. Since you're so familiar with them. And explaining how they are insufficient.

To be blunt: Pascal's Wager is fantastically bad. And no one capable of critical thought should take it seriously.
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I am not a Christian, but I do have Gods. I see them less as all-powerful deities of all things that wield otherworldly strength and dictate all in the universe, but more as a spirit or kind of essence of a piece of nature or humanity. For instance, I see my God Freyja as an aspect of sexual and romantic energies like love and attraction; not as a beautiful maiden, but the essence of a beautiful person as well as everything associated with such. I see Tyr as an aspect of the things associated with him; Justice and bloodshed. I see him as the fist used in a fight, and as the paper on which a law is written-among other things, but I have other places to put novel-length ruminations on the Gods.

As for why I believe in them, it's simply because I choose to. They feel real to me. I know that I sound pretty crazy in saying it, but I feel them in things. I feel Njordr in the sea and wind, and I feel Vidar in the woods and deep silence. I understand it's not for everyone and not everyone feels the way I do, but that's why it's not the only form of faith in the world.
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I believe in God because God is a Father who created the world and everything in in, for example:Have you ever wondered how it is that you exist in this world as a man or a woman and why do you exist as such, we're not on this planet by our own will and strengh but because we have been created as such. And as for the concept of Heaven and Hell i hope you know the Gardnen of Eden story about Adam and Eve, Satan tricked Adam(All of humanity since according to Christianity Adam is the ancestor of all of man and woman that live today) into defiyng God's Words and since Adam did not listen to God that seperated Adam from God just like sin in real life obstructs our communication with God, thus creating a large impassable chasm called Hell whereas Heaven is following Jesus Christ's path to Salvation and accepting his sacrifice on the Cross which is atonement for our sins and wrongful deeds.

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Australian rePublic wrote:So all of you who refuse to believe in God, because of lack of evidence, where do you stand on aliens?

I believe aliens exist.

I am one.

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