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E.U. Imposes Sanctions on Iran Over Assassination Plots

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Izaakia
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Founded: Nov 29, 2014
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Postby Izaakia » Tue Jan 15, 2019 4:13 am

Sneudal wrote:
Izaakia wrote:
NATO is literally an organisation created to counter the threat of Russia in Europe.


1) Nope.
2) Russia =/= Communism.

Shofercia wrote:


Nato was in no way bothered by Cuban or Vietnamese communism.
It’s explcitly to counter Russian influence on the continent, which at the time was communist. It’s not longer communist, but is clearly still a threat, which is why nato hasn’t become obsolete. Now nato is about two things, countering Islamic extremism, and Russia.
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Novus America
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Postby Novus America » Tue Jan 15, 2019 5:34 am

Izaakia wrote:
Sneudal wrote:
Nobody worth mentioning ever claimed that the E.U. or N.A.T.O existed to 'protect' 'the west' from 'communism'.


NATO is literally an organisation created to counter the threat of Russia in Europe.


NATO was created to counter the Soviet Union in Europe. In 1949 Russia was not a fully sovereign state.

And NATO no longer exists with Communism in mind as Russia is not Communist.
NATO’s role is different now, and broader than it was then as well.

You could argue at one point it existed to protect only part of the “West”, Western Europe from Communism but NATO did not exist to take action against Communists within Europe against Communism, it was designed with external threats in mind.

It did allegedly have some involvement in covert counter intelligence stuff for a time, but it never was structured around nor particularly well suited for that role.
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Sicaris
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Postby Sicaris » Tue Jan 15, 2019 7:19 am

Solution: Stop major exports to Iran, destroy it’s economy.

It’d speed up the collapse of that god forsaken government
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Novus America
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Postby Novus America » Tue Jan 15, 2019 7:26 am

Sicaris wrote:Solution: Stop major exports to Iran, destroy it’s economy.

It’d speed up the collapse of that god forsaken government


Better idea is to stop imports from, not (non military) exports to Iran.
If you want to bankrupt a country you sell them stuff (but only if they pay real currency) but you also refuse to buy their stuff.

Forcing them to borrow money to buy your stuff.
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Sneudal
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Founded: Jan 09, 2019
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Postby Sneudal » Fri Jan 18, 2019 6:43 am

Izaakia wrote:
Sneudal wrote:
1) Nope.
2) Russia =/= Communism.



Nato was in no way bothered by Cuban or Vietnamese communism.
It’s explcitly to counter Russian influence on the continent, which at the time was communist. It’s not longer communist, but is clearly still a threat, which is why nato hasn’t become obsolete. Now nato is about two things, countering Islamic extremism, and Russia.


Nice joke there.

Sicaris wrote:Solution: Stop major exports to Iran, destroy it’s economy.

It’d speed up the collapse of that god forsaken government


Or you know, stop harboring terrorists.

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Purpelia
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Postby Purpelia » Mon Jan 21, 2019 9:52 am

The purpose of OTAN is and always has been to maintain the west-centric world order that benefits former colonial powers and the united states. It's literally an alliance formed by crumbling empires who agreed to accept the new kid on the block as their equal in exchange for his muscle.
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Postby Danternoust » Mon Jan 21, 2019 12:38 pm

The Liberated Territories wrote:Iran has incredible plot power.

No, the The Assassins do.

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