The 30th Parallel War (TWI Only)

[Athara Magarat]

Welcome to the 30th Parallel War thread.

Most likely from 1991-1994 (or maybe a longer timeline of 1981-1994 ?), the nations of Athara Magarat and San Montagna engaged in a war over the Chatha; claimed by both nations. Chatha was historically one of the hangates of the Khas-Kirat Empire but had been time and again, come under San Montagnan occupation and was considered part of "San Montagna proper". After the Imperial War, the Empire of Magarat was once again divided into several warring hangates (that's a different story but related).

Then communism came to the Chuli Hangate. They "exported" it to their neighbors and by 1977; "Athara Magarat" was a united nation once again. Okay, maybe not that united

Very soon, voices within Athara Magarat started calling for annexation of Chatha into "AM proper". Problem was this new Athara Magarat was a communist state and very much aligned to the UCCR; whilst Chatha, being under San Montagnan influence (I very much imagine the Free Powers aka Miklania, Noronica and rest of the gang promising Chatha to San Montagna during the Imperial War and after it, it is like what SIkkim was to India - a protectorate of sorts whom everyone could see was to soon become the newest state of their "protector").

I think it might be okay to get the League here (how old are they again?) on 1980 for a referendum in Chatha. Fearful that the referendum would mean that Chatha is annexed into Athara Magarat and they will be facing a much stronger communist threat, San Montagnan forces push into Chathaese capital before the referendum is even held. The San Montagnan government manages to convince anti-communists across the Isles while Athara Magarat calls in the socialist internationals of the Isles.

There are two scenarios here:

• Scenario 1: The war starts from 1981 itself to 1994. It is very long and exhausting for both countries.
  
• Scenario 2: From 1981 to 1990, there are minor engagements across the border. Soldiers get killed by artillery shells here and there and both sides accuse each other of firing first. The League hastily promotes the 30th Parallel as the new border as Chatha is divided. Athara Magaratis and San Montagnan war hawks are not pleased at all; neither are hardline Chathaese nationalists who put up several rebellions, shout anti-League chants, etc. In the name of putting down rebellions, both Athara Magarat and San Montagna violate the 30th Parallel Line and minor skirmishes occur here and there for a decade. "Communist groups" from other nations start pouring into the battlefield as the San Montagnan line is pushed further and further back. In 1991, San Montagna and her allies "officially" declare war. The rest is history.

Aftermath:

- Athara Magarat and San Montagna have the 30th Parallel North as their new official borders; enforced by the League. There is still resentment on both sides at each other and at the League.

- Most of Chatha is in San Montagna now while a few portion of it is in AM. It will be worked upon further when my map arrives

- Athara Magarat shifts from a communist state to mixed economy and begins making allies with "Western" or "capitalist" nations while also having certain ties with communist nations. Eventually, it even becomes a founding member of the CU.

- I expect the war to have effects on other nations as well. Many "communist volunteer groups" from various nations would join Athara Magarat in the battlefield while San Montagna is aided militarily by a host of capitalist nations.

- TBD

Note: While Athara Magarat was in South Mesder; Kho Panha and Mesderina were still part of Athara Magarat at this time. I am not sure that they are still part of Athara Magarat here in Central Argus.

[San Montagna]

Taggerino,

I would go with the second scenario.

A few things, first, I suggest that San montagna gains it's Coast that borders the ID during this war.

Secondly, that AM has yet to recognise San Montagnans sovereignty over Chatha and other conquered areas.

Finally, I suggest that San Montagna commits something similar to the Srebrenica massacre. This would fuel hatred towards the San Montagnans in AM, and could also also force a premature ending to the war due to pressure from the rest of the western Isles, resulting in the 30th parallel border and results in many San Montagnans wanting the rest of Chatha.

Note these are just suggestions.

[Athara Magarat]

Taggerino,

I would go with the second scenario.

A few things, first, I suggest that San montagna gains it's Coast that borders the ID during this war.

Secondly, that AM has yet to recognise San Montagnans sovereignty over Chatha and other conquered areas.

Finally, I suggest that San Montagna commits something similar to the Srebrenica massacre. This would fuel hatred towards the San Montagnans in AM, and could also also force a premature ending to the war due to pressure from the rest of the western Isles, resulting in the 30th parallel border and results in many San Montagnans wanting the rest of Chatha.

Note these are just suggestions.

Let's go with Scenario 2

[Ainslie]

lé tàgé

[Belle Ilse en Terre]

Der Tagen.

This sounds like a great oppurtunity for the MSTO.

Also, San Montagna, do you want to establish good relations with the Ilse, and maybe receive aid and small amounts of equipment from the Ilse? The contemporary King Maximilien was the one who later support SM in the invasion (if that is still canon), and foster the relationships that would cause SM to support the Ilse duirng the Weinam affair/Lortik rebellion.

[Samudera]

UCCR is stronk! Will be a good show of power here. And i will most likely support the red

[Athara Magarat]

Great to see this garnering some attention.

[San Montagna]

Der Tagen.

This sounds like a great oppurtunity for the MSTO.

Also, San Montagna, do you want to establish good relations with the Ilse, and maybe receive aid and small amounts of equipment from the Ilse? The contemporary King Maximilien was the one who later support SM in the invasion (if that is still canon), and foster the relationships that would cause SM to support the Ilse duirng the Weinam affair/Lortik rebellion.

Sorry for the late response, but yeah, I would like to do that.

Though I do not believe the Invasion is canon anymore, and it is most likely going to be replaced by this.

[Athara Magarat]

States of San Montagna; Chatha (called Central Chatha in AM) and Terra Nuova (also known as Jaring) were gained by SM in the 30th Parallel War.

Southern hangates of AM

1 and 2. Western Chatha and Eastern Chatha: The Chathaese portions in AM are divided into Western and Eastern Chatha. And as the maps show; things are very complicated. The people in both of these states want to unify as well as with Central Chatha (the portions in San Montagna). However, the politicians and extremists not so much. Western Chatha is the only hangate in AM to have Catholics around (Christianity much more common than one would expect; but the Christianity practiced in AM is either Whindism or Nyssic Christianity) while Eastern Chatha has a unique blend of shamanism and Buddhism. Other differences also exist (and also the administrators receive separate funds ); mostly political but let's not get into that. Western Chatha and Eastern Chatha blame each other, their in-between neighbor Marubhumi Hangate, New Libang and San Montagna for their problems. The people of Chatha are mostly Chepangs; a Central Kirati group.

3. Marubhumi Hangate: Marubhumi Hangate lost a small portion of land to San Montagna during the 30th Parallel War but they are the largest "victim crying wolves". The general people of both Eastern and Western Chatha nowadays hate the "pricks of Marubhumi" for not allowing them to unify through southern portions of Marubhumi. However, it must be understood that Marubhumi is mostly desert (as in actual sand and stuff) and they lost the "good chunks of land and industrial towns" to San Montagna and will lose "more good land" to a united Chatha in AM if this were to happen. Whenever, the issue of referendum to unite Western and Eastern Chatha is held or brought; the Marubhumi's politicians (and citizens) are quick to shift the issue into "let's declare war on San Montagna to solve everything" and enjoy support from the war hawks in New Libang. The people of Marubhumi are mostly Tharus; a Southern Khas group.

4 and 5. Koch Hangate and Hangate of Jaring: What is now Terra Nuova, previously Jaring, in San Montagna was under the Hangate of Jaring; with certain parts under the Koch Hangate. Minor nomadic Khas-Kirati tribes (who didn't have hangates of their own) inhabited these places. They would arrive there in winter and then return back to heartlands of "AM" in summer. These tribes were mostly vassals of the Santhals; a "Kiratized" Argean Ipachi group who were rulers of Jaring. The Santhals themselves were fishing people and mostly kept to the coastline. Hence the San Montagnans calling these vast lands "barren and new territory". San Montagna gained maritime borders with International District after annexing Jaring in the 30th Parallel War.

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Well; you can now clearly see why despite being a military stalemate, this war is considered a "defeat" in AM. It is along the lines of "we lost more" and so on.

[Athara Magarat]

I think maybe SHOCK's history can start after this war.

[Torom]

Das Marke(Tag)

[San Montagna]

I think maybe SHOCK's history can start after this war.

Well, I suppose losing land to some pesky Italians might do that

[Keomora]

Don’t know if I should participate in a sweet sweet invasion.

[Athara Magarat]

Don’t know if I should participate in a sweet sweet invasion.

Notify us when you have made your mind. But the more the merrier

[Athara Magarat]

Liberation of Chatha - San Montagnan Victory

• On April 4th, after nearly a decade of border skirmishes, war was officially declared by San Montagnan government and the San Montagnan 1st and 2nd Divisions (special units: Alpine Corps maybe?) crossed into Chatha. The Hang of Chatha, a vocal opponent of the referendum on whether to join Athara Magarat, was imprisoned by the military under orders of the pro-Magarati parliament for "acting against the constitution". The San Montagnans used this as the pretext and claimed that they had come to liberate Chatha from Magarati occupation (aka; the pro-Magarati Chathaese military and parliament) and widely exaggerated the number of Magarati troops deployed to Chathaese borders. They maneuvered around vast systems of barbed wire, minefields and trenches. Once into Chatha, they headed towards Chyo-bang City. The troops themselves encountered little resistance and (and even support from those who feared that their country had come under "Magarati occupation"), apart from several minor tank battles, were met primarily by surrendering Chathaese soldiers.
  
• On April 7th, the Chathaese parliament (which was then dissolved by the Hang of Chatha after his San Montagnan buddies rescued him) issued a retreat order to the pro-Magarati troops to head towards Athara Magarati territory; however, one unit of these pro-Magarati Chathaese troops (5th Battalion of the Chyo-bang Gun) appeared to have not gotten the retreat order. When the San Montagnan soldiers (Alpine Corps?) arrived at Chyo-bang International Airport, they encountered fierce resistance, and it took them several hours to gain control and secure the airport. After the battle at Chyo-bang International Airport, the San Montagnans helped the Hang of Chatha in retaking over the country.

[*]TBD

[San Montagna]

I approve,

Also the Alpine corps would definitely have been vs part of the "Liberation".

[Athara Magarat]

Okay.

So here is basically what I have in mind:

1991 - After nearly a decade of border skirmishes and the referendum crisis in Chatha; San Montagna declares war to "liberate Chatha". The San Montagnans and the Hang of Chatha push into Magarati territory.

1992 - The Athara Magaratis and various communist groups from the Isles flank from Jaring (Terra Nuova) to both depose the Hang of Chatha and penetrate into San Montagnan lands.

1993 - San Montagna (and possibly Belle) call in their own allies as well. Step 1 is repeated in the process.

1994 - Athara Magarat and the communists push back again and the international community (dunno if it can be the League...) issues 30th Parallel North as the border for these two nations.

Roughly this.

[Belle Ilse en Terre]

I think the Ilse will stick to sending a few small ships and volunteers to San Montagna.

[San Montagna]

I like that timeline up there AM

[Razzgriz]

Could an Osean Expeditionary Force (OET) be sent to participate as an independent army on San Montagna's side? My involvement could have its ties stemming from the EEI's participation in the Great Argus Wars, as well as help signal to the world the nations return to the geopolitical stage after retreating into isolation after the Empire's collapse during the 1920s.

[Polar Svalbard]

I'd definitely be interested in having Polar Svalbard be involved in this war. Although it's be interesting to see which side as this could play out as a capitalism vs communism thing or a rivalry thing for Polar Svalbard.

[Athara Magarat]

I'd definitely be interested in having Polar Svalbard be involved in this war. Although it's be interesting to see which side as this could play out as a capitalism vs communism thing or a rivalry thing for Polar Svalbard.

You are welcome, brother.

[Razzgriz]

Welp with the OE officially entering the war, prepare to fight a war on multiple fronts. This is likely to become the OE's "Vietnam/Sino-Vietnamese War." The OE would start off with only an expeditionary force, but as the war continued and the OE's territory continued to be under constant threat, began to pour more resources into the war.

[Thuzbekistan]

Oooh yes another place to spread commies on

[Thuzbekistan]

So the war ends with a loss for AM despite being a military stalemate. Alright. So, Athara, I didn't see a clear picture of who the communists are. What is AM's relationship with the communists, who are they, and how would the UCCR best become involved?

Ultimately, I plan for this war to be the reason the UCCR doesn't reconvene in 1994. Right now it's they "just didn't".