The Islamic Discussion Thread ٤: It's Always Sunni In Arabia

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Oh ok, that's cool of them. What are their views of 'ulama?

Just like other mainstream Muslim communities I think, they respect them (the 'ulama) and follow their ruling and jurisdiction about Islam in general. Muhammadiyah has several 'ulama affiliated to them, just like NU.

Oh, well I guess wiki was wrong. Muhammadiyyah is based

[Jolthig]

Just like other mainstream Muslim communities I think, they respect them (the 'ulama) and follow their ruling and jurisdiction about Islam in general. Muhammadiyah has several 'ulama affiliated to them, just like NU.

Oh, well I guess wiki was wrong. Muhammadiyyah is based

Wikipedia is where I based my earlier comparison as well.

[Samudera Darussalam]

Oh, well I guess wiki was wrong. Muhammadiyyah is based

Muhammadiyah does oppose the blind type of taqlid, aka "following one's opinion without understanding the ground/reason".

[Negarakita]

Oh, well I guess wiki was wrong. Muhammadiyyah is based

Wikipedia is where I based my earlier comparison as well.

Same. Did we just get taqiyya'd?

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Oh, well I guess wiki was wrong. Muhammadiyyah is based

Muhammadiyah does oppose the blind type of taqlid, aka "following one's opinion without understanding the ground/reason".

I can agree with that.

Wikipedia is where I based my earlier comparison as well.

Same. Did we just get taqiyya'd?

Lolyes

[Gutulia]

Oh, well I guess wiki was wrong. Muhammadiyyah is based

Muhammadiyah does oppose the blind type of taqlid, aka "following one's opinion without understanding the ground/reason".

Are you Muhammadiyah ? I have one friend as Muhammadiyah and several my high school teachers also Muhammadiyah.

[Gutulia]

Just like other mainstream Muslim communities I think, they respect them (the 'ulama) and follow their ruling and jurisdiction about Islam in general. Muhammadiyah has several 'ulama affiliated to them, just like NU.

Oh, well I guess wiki was wrong. Muhammadiyyah is based

I think wikipedia write and edit by many editors. I prefer to official blog or website for references

[Samudera Darussalam]

Are you Muhammadiyah ? I have one friend as Muhammadiyah and several my high school teachers also Muhammadiyah.

I don't consider myself as one, but after nine years spent in that schools, my religious practice is kind of shaped according to their views, aka not practicing qunut.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Oh, well I guess wiki was wrong. Muhammadiyyah is based

I think wikipedia write and edit by many editors. I prefer to official blog or website for references

Point made.

[Negarakita]

Are you Muhammadiyah ? I have one friend as Muhammadiyah and several my high school teachers also Muhammadiyah.

I don't consider myself as one, but after nine years spent in that schools, my religious practice is kind of shaped according to their views, aka not practicing qunut.

Do you know any good places to find out about their views? Preferably english ofc but as long as google translate will give me a rough idea it should be fine.

Also for you and Gutulia, what do NU think about Sufism?

[Gutulia]

Are you Muhammadiyah ? I have one friend as Muhammadiyah and several my high school teachers also Muhammadiyah.

I don't consider myself as one, but after nine years spent in that schools, my religious practice is kind of shaped according to their views, aka not practicing qunut.

As a child, I was used to the teachings of Nahdlatul Ulama taught in the home environment after entering high school, I was educated by religious teachers who followed Muhammadiyah (even though it was not a Muhammadiyah school) so that I knew some of the ideas taught like tahlilan was futile, avoiding syirik like Sesajen who always practising by Javanese peoples

[Negarakita]

I don't consider myself as one, but after nine years spent in that schools, my religious practice is kind of shaped according to their views, aka not practicing qunut.

As a child, I was used to the teachings of Nahdlatul Ulama taught in the home environment after entering high school, I was educated by religious teachers who followed Muhammadiyah (even though it was not a Muhammadiyah school) so that I knew some of the ideas taught like tahlilan was futile, avoiding syirik like Sesajen who always practising by Javanese peoples

How would you describe NU? I was running off the assumption that they were super conservative, but that seems to not be true? Their theme song is great at least.

Sorry about all the questions on Indonesian Islam btw, it's just that I am interested in potentially living there one day (wallah not as a creepy sexpat) and would like to know which group is better. Plus I'm trying to buy a Songkok with one of their logos and don't know who to choose.

[Gutulia]

I don't consider myself as one, but after nine years spent in that schools, my religious practice is kind of shaped according to their views, aka not practicing qunut.

Do you know any good places to find out about their views? Preferably english ofc but as long as google translate will give me a rough idea it should be fine.

Also for you and Gutulia, what do NU think about Sufism?

I I don't know Nahdlatul Ulama think about Sufism/Tasawuf. I only know don't feel complacent with life in the world and always remember God in daily activities.

[Gutulia]

As a child, I was used to the teachings of Nahdlatul Ulama taught in the home environment after entering high school, I was educated by religious teachers who followed Muhammadiyah (even though it was not a Muhammadiyah school) so that I knew some of the ideas taught like tahlilan was futile, avoiding syirik like Sesajen who always practising by Javanese peoples

How would you describe NU? I was running off the assumption that they were super conservative, but that seems to not be true? Their theme song is great at least.

Sorry about all the questions on Indonesian Islam btw, it's just that I am interested in potentially living there one day (wallah not as a creepy sexpat) and would like to know which group is better. Plus I'm trying to buy a Songkok with one of their logos and don't know who to choose.

Both groups are better, NU or Muhammadiyah. Many Indonesian peoples like me not entirely NU because of the effects on the days of children up to adolescents who are influenced by NU so I still use the teachings about worship based on these organization but I also agree with some of the things that are in the teachings of Muhammadiyah.

Nahdlatul Ulama said to be conservative because it still uses local traditions in religious teachings as practised by Islamic spreaders in Java in the past times by Walisongo.

[Negarakita]

How would you describe NU? I was running off the assumption that they were super conservative, but that seems to not be true? Their theme song is great at least.

Sorry about all the questions on Indonesian Islam btw, it's just that I am interested in potentially living there one day (wallah not as a creepy sexpat) and would like to know which group is better. Plus I'm trying to buy a Songkok with one of their logos and don't know who to choose.

Both groups are better, NU or Muhammadiyah. Many Indonesian peoples like me not entirely NU because of the effects on the days of children up to adolescents who are influenced by NU so I still use the teachings about worship based on these organization but I also agree with some of the things that are in the teachings of Muhammadiyah.

Nahdlatul Ulama said to be conservative because it still uses local traditions in religious teachings as practised by Islamic spreaders in Java in the past by Walisongo.

In your opinion tho, whose songkok should I get?

[Gutulia]

Both groups are better, NU or Muhammadiyah. Many Indonesian peoples like me not entirely NU because of the effects on the days of children up to adolescents who are influenced by NU so I still use the teachings about worship based on these organization but I also agree with some of the things that are in the teachings of Muhammadiyah.

Nahdlatul Ulama said to be conservative because it still uses local traditions in religious teachings as practised by Islamic spreaders in Java in the past by Walisongo.

In your opinion tho, whose songkok should I get?

Black songkok. You could find all types of songkok in market

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Indonesia does seem like a nice place to live/visit.

[Negarakita]

In your opinion tho, whose songkok should I get?

Black songkok. You could find all types of songkok in market

It's on Shopee and they have all sorts. Could just go for a black one tho

[Jolthig]

Indonesia does seem like a nice place to live/visit.

I know a few brothers and sisters from there.

[Samudera Darussalam]

Do you know any good places to find out about their views? Preferably english ofc but as long as google translate will give me a rough idea it should be fine.

Also for you and Gutulia, what do NU think about Sufism?

Unfortunately, I've no idea about that (the good places). It seems that they have an official website, but it's written in Indonesian.
Back when I graduated from the last Muhammadiyah school I attended, they just established their own tv channel (no website) so I have no clear idea whether this could satisfy your questions or not.
I also found this, where the author wrote about both organizations in the book (maybe you can compare them yourself).

There is this one, if you want to understand about Muhammadiyah's view on taqlid; this one about NU, but you can always search for the other sources.

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I don't really know either about how NU's views on sufism, but as far as I know, Nahdlatul Ulama seems to hold a rather favourable view on them.

Both groups are better, NU or Muhammadiyah. Many Indonesian peoples like me not entirely NU because of the effects on the days of children up to adolescents who are influenced by NU so I still use the teachings about worship based on these organization but I also agree with some of the things that are in the teachings of Muhammadiyah.

Nahdlatul Ulama said to be conservative because it still uses local traditions in religious teachings as practised by Islamic spreaders in Java in the past times by Walisongo.

I also share the same opinion, but instead of NU, I'm more influenced by Muhammadiyah.
NU seems more lax towards the practice of several pre-Islamic indigenous (mainly Javanese) culture, such as larung saji.

[Seraven]

Indonesia does seem like a nice place to live/visit.

It really depends on how do you classify Indonesia as a nice place to live/visit, as well as regions. Some regions are definitely more conservative, like Aceh. Other regions have the moderate-conservative balance, slightly tipped to one another every time, like Jakarta. Bali is probably the most liberal region, though the Hindu influence is strong there due to large population of Hindu practitioners.

I really wonder how Aceh's going to be, though. I heard they were affected by brain drain due to the lack of industrialization and high unemployment in the region.

[Saranidia]

Indonesia does seem like a nice place to live/visit.

It really depends on how do you classify Indonesia as a nice place to live/visit, as well as regions. Some regions are definitely more conservative, like Aceh. Other regions have the moderate-conservative balance, slightly tipped to one another every time, like Jakarta. Bali is probably the most liberal region, though the Hindu influence is strong there due to large population of Hindu practitioners.

I really wonder how Aceh's going to be, though. I heard they were affected by brain drain due to the lack of industrialization and high unemployment in the region.

Indonesian secularism doesn’t make it compassionate all the time too.
Dog fighting is “legal” in Indonesia despite being haram.

[Seraven]

It really depends on how do you classify Indonesia as a nice place to live/visit, as well as regions. Some regions are definitely more conservative, like Aceh. Other regions have the moderate-conservative balance, slightly tipped to one another every time, like Jakarta. Bali is probably the most liberal region, though the Hindu influence is strong there due to large population of Hindu practitioners.

I really wonder how Aceh's going to be, though. I heard they were affected by brain drain due to the lack of industrialization and high unemployment in the region.

Indonesian secularism doesn’t make it compassionate all the time too.
Dog fighting is “legal” in Indonesia despite being haram.

Secularism never really translates well in Indonesia post-New Order period.

[Saranidia]

Indonesian secularism doesn’t make it compassionate all the time too.
Dog fighting is “legal” in Indonesia despite being haram.

Secularism never really translates well in Indonesia post-New Order period.

What is wrong with Allah being the supreme law giver?

[New haven america]

Secularism never really translates well in Indonesia post-New Order period.

What is wrong with Allah being the supreme law giver?

He hasn't advanced to the 21st century yet.