Yah yah thanks for the answer Sahan! I'm very interested to learn more about Iran
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by Frievolk » Fri Jan 11, 2019 1:38 am
Jolthig wrote:Frievolk wrote:There are a fuckload of Shia in Iraq too. Iran, in particular, is Shia due to history. Specifically, everything that happened after the Safavid dynasty.
Yup. There were a lot of religious politics involved around the time the Safavids converted to Shia. The Ottomans, to please the strict Sunni ulama at the time, persecuted Shiites, forcing them to migrate to states that aren't hostile to Shiites.
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by Negarakita » Fri Jan 11, 2019 2:01 am
by Samudera Darussalam » Fri Jan 11, 2019 3:42 am
by El-Amin Caliphate » Fri Jan 11, 2019 6:04 am
https://americanvision.org/948/theonomy-vs-theocracy/ wrote:God’s law cannot govern a nation where God’s law does not rule in the hearts of the people
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by Jolthig » Fri Jan 11, 2019 7:11 am
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Jumu'ah Mubarak, Happy birthday Jolthig, and Assalamu 'Alaikum wa RaHmatullahi wa Barakatuhu Gutulia
by Gutulia » Fri Jan 11, 2019 3:44 pm
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Jumu'ah Mubarak, Happy birthday Jolthig, and Assalamu 'Alaikum wa RaHmatullahi wa Barakatuhu Gutulia
by Negarakita » Fri Jan 11, 2019 5:03 pm
by Gutulia » Fri Jan 11, 2019 7:48 pm
Negarakita wrote:Gutulia wrote:I'm an Indonesian Muslim brother. Islamic worship activities in Indonesia are always crowded especially during the month of Ramadan
What are your thoughts on the Muhammadiyah (and NU I guess as well)? I find them very cool and like a lot of what they do, but you never really know from what you read on wikipedia+the google translated version of their website.
by The Eternal Aulus » Sat Jan 12, 2019 8:06 am
Gutulia wrote:Negarakita wrote:What are your thoughts on the Muhammadiyah (and NU I guess as well)? I find them very cool and like a lot of what they do, but you never really know from what you read on wikipedia+the google translated version of their website.
both of them are the largest Islamic organizations in Indonesia. between them, only Nahdlatul Ulama have the biggest followers likes me. Actually, in Indonesia, it doesn't matter if you are a Muhammadiyah or nu you will remain Islam as long as you believe in Allah, the god of the universe. there are some differences between Muhammadiyah and Nahdlatul ulama that I read from various sources.
Tarawih (Salat in Ramadhan night)
Nahdlatul Ulama: 20 rakaat + 3 rakaat witir
Muhammadiyah: 8 rakaat + 3 rakaat witir
Qunut
Nahdlatul Ulama: use qunut while Salat subuh
Muhammadiyah: not use qunut
and also Nahdlatul Ulama is affiliated with political parties in Indonesia while Muhammadiyah is not affiliated with political parties and only focuses on developing modern Islamic education such as western education patterns but with additional Islamic teachings, therefore it is no stranger to often see schools established by Muhammadiyah in Indonesia . while Nahdlatul Ulama education is more focused on Pesantren schools
I am actually amazed by Muhammadiyah followers. Mostly, they are intelligent and highly educated people because supported by a good education system along with the implementation of Islamic values in daily activities
by The Grims » Sat Jan 12, 2019 8:09 am
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:The Grims wrote:I can see it happening. Mohammed stroking and feeding his beloved cats, when suddenly a barking dog chases thrm up a tree.
HARAM ! Those beasties are, except when used for labour. But no love must be given to them, isn't that right my lovely little Isis ?
(where Isis is ofc a white persian)
That's not why they're haram.
by Gospel Power » Sat Jan 12, 2019 8:11 am
by The Eternal Aulus » Sat Jan 12, 2019 8:22 am
Gospel Power wrote:How Islam views the environment?, are Islamic teachings teach you about this stuff?.
by Saranidia » Sat Jan 12, 2019 8:30 am
Gospel Power wrote:How Islam views the environment?, are Islamic teachings teach you about this stuff?.
by The Eternal Aulus » Sat Jan 12, 2019 8:42 am
Note 22 (Quran Ref: 2:30 )
Lit., "establish on earth a successor" or a "vice-gerent". The term khalifah -derived from the verb khalafa, "he succeeded [another] " - is used in this allegory to denote man's rightful supremacy on earth, which is most suitably rendered by the expression "he shall inherit the earth" (in the sense of being given possession of it). See also 6:165, 27:62 and 35:39, where all human beings are - spoken of as khala'if al-ard.(Quran Ref: 2:30 )
by Frievolk » Sat Jan 12, 2019 8:44 am
The Eternal Aulus wrote:Saranidia wrote:Islam teaches that mankind are stewards(Khalifah) of the environment.
As Quran 2:30 teaches.
Additional extra info from the tafsir of Mohamed Asad;Note 22 (Quran Ref: 2:30 )
Lit., "establish on earth a successor" or a "vice-gerent". The term khalifah -derived from the verb khalafa, "he succeeded [another] " - is used in this allegory to denote man's rightful supremacy on earth, which is most suitably rendered by the expression "he shall inherit the earth" (in the sense of being given possession of it). See also 6:165, 27:62 and 35:39, where all human beings are - spoken of as khala'if al-ard.(Quran Ref: 2:30 )
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by The Eternal Aulus » Sat Jan 12, 2019 8:45 am
by Jolthig » Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:22 am
by Jolthig » Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:26 am
Gospel Power wrote:How Islam views the environment?, are Islamic teachings teach you about this stuff?.
by Frievolk » Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:30 am
Jolthig wrote:Gospel Power wrote:How Islam views the environment?, are Islamic teachings teach you about this stuff?.
The environment should be taken care of as humanity are God's servants. Like for example, cleanliness is a part of faith, and Muslims should strive to keep their environments clean (i.e. physical, personal, spiritual, etc.)
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by Jolthig » Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:32 am
Frievolk wrote:Jolthig wrote:The environment should be taken care of as humanity are God's servants. Like for example, cleanliness is a part of faith, and Muslims should strive to keep their environments clean (i.e. physical, personal, spiritual, etc.)
Friendly reminder that like most people, I am no one's "Abd" (i.e. Slave)
by Frievolk » Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:37 am
Jolthig wrote:Frievolk wrote:Friendly reminder that like most people, I am no one's "Abd" (i.e. Slave)
According to the Quran, you are.
Not in the sense that you are a Muslim, rather, because every single particle submits to Allah and you have full permission from Allah to be atheist due to free will.
Abdullah Frievolk.
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by Jolthig » Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:41 am
Frievolk wrote:Jolthig wrote:According to the Quran, you are.
Not in the sense that you are a Muslim, rather, because every single particle submits to Allah and you have full permission from Allah to be atheist due to free will.
Abdullah Frievolk.
That's precisely one of my problems with Islam. One that, of course, our Arabic teachers oh-so-wonderfully averted by translating عبد as بنده rather than the correct translation of برده (The two words mean pretty much the same, but the first word is often used as a way of referring to self [which of course has its origin in the oppression of Iranians by the Arabs this last 1400 years but I digress] so it didn't have that undertone. It took me 5 years to actually comprehend that it means "slave", not "servant".)
I mean, sure, it makes sense (especially when you take into account the fact the religion's very name literally means Submission) and at the time it was created (roughly 1400 years ago) maybe it was the norm but honestly? To suggest Humans are slaves is inherently insulting, to say the least.
by El-Amin Caliphate » Sat Jan 12, 2019 1:26 pm
Pagan Trapistan wrote:believes only in the god of the jews.
https://americanvision.org/948/theonomy-vs-theocracy/ wrote:God’s law cannot govern a nation where God’s law does not rule in the hearts of the people
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