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Postby Olthar » Thu Jan 10, 2019 10:30 pm

Joohan wrote:( Im rather fond of bird watching IRL )

So am I, but they tend to get angry and call me creepy when I stare at them too long.
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Postby Joohan » Thu Jan 10, 2019 10:49 pm

Olthar wrote:
Joohan wrote:( Im rather fond of bird watching IRL )

So am I, but they tend to get angry and call me creepy when I stare at them too long.


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Postby Lanoraie II » Fri Jan 11, 2019 2:35 am

I have good news for you; the cat population is already attempting to be regulated by heavily encouraging people to spay and neuter their kitties. It's also becoming more common for cats to be indoor cats; safe and away from birds.

However, this mainly only applies to the US & Canada (as far as I know--I'd bet something like that is happening in Europe but I don't know).

I am a conservationist and animal lover, so "drowning kittens" is probably one of the worst things you could say to me. If there was an easier method of controlling cat populations than letting people do whatever they want to an innocent kitten--well, there is, sort of. Fines for abandoning cats and non-lethal cat traps could be an option. But quite frankly, cats are not that big of a concern to the ecosystem in most places. Humans always are. Also, 2 billion birds sounds like a massive overestimation. Maybe 200 million.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Fri Jan 11, 2019 4:08 am

Salus Maior wrote:
Costa Fierro wrote:
You mean cats. Interestingly dogs are one of the leading killers of kiwi.


Dogs are easier to control than cats.

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Postby Joohan » Fri Jan 11, 2019 5:59 am

Lanoraie II wrote:I have good news for you; the cat population is already attempting to be regulated by heavily encouraging people to spay and neuter their kitties. It's also becoming more common for cats to be indoor cats; safe and away from birds.

However, this mainly only applies to the US & Canada (as far as I know--I'd bet something like that is happening in Europe but I don't know).

I am a conservationist and animal lover, so "drowning kittens" is probably one of the worst things you could say to me. If there was an easier method of controlling cat populations than letting people do whatever they want to an innocent kitten--well, there is, sort of. Fines for abandoning cats and non-lethal cat traps could be an option. But quite frankly, cats are not that big of a concern to the ecosystem in most places. Humans always are. Also, 2 billion birds sounds like a massive overestimation. Maybe 200 million.


It's usually only pets which get spayed or neutered - something which doesn't effect feral cats. There are programs to do the same with feral cat populations, but their results are dubious and questionable. Human beings are more dangerous to the ecosystem than cats, but not by a lot. My numbers and claims have been backed by several sources in the OP. Mind you, 2 billion is a conservative number.

And as for drowning kittens: the reason it's been brought up by some, ecologist Pentti Linkola for example, is because it's been a mainstay of eliminating unwanted cat populations in areas lacking fire arms ( like Europe and Latin America ) for centuries.

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Postby Costa Fierro » Fri Jan 11, 2019 6:03 am

Salus Maior wrote:
Costa Fierro wrote:
Somewhat, it's their owners that are difficult to control.


Then legislate things like mandated fixing. Outside of breeders of course.


Several problems with this. One, it'd be unenforceable. Two, no political party would pass anything like that, and three, you can't legislate against ignorance and entitlement. We have areas that are no go for dogs. That doesn't stop people taking their dogs into those areas.
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Postby Esternial » Fri Jan 11, 2019 6:15 am

If this goes on we will all be drowning in pussy.

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Postby Ethel mermania » Fri Jan 11, 2019 7:34 am

Esternial wrote:If this goes on we will all be drowning in pussy.

If it were only that easy.
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Postby Novus America » Fri Jan 11, 2019 3:26 pm

Joohan wrote:
Lanoraie II wrote:I have good news for you; the cat population is already attempting to be regulated by heavily encouraging people to spay and neuter their kitties. It's also becoming more common for cats to be indoor cats; safe and away from birds.

However, this mainly only applies to the US & Canada (as far as I know--I'd bet something like that is happening in Europe but I don't know).

I am a conservationist and animal lover, so "drowning kittens" is probably one of the worst things you could say to me. If there was an easier method of controlling cat populations than letting people do whatever they want to an innocent kitten--well, there is, sort of. Fines for abandoning cats and non-lethal cat traps could be an option. But quite frankly, cats are not that big of a concern to the ecosystem in most places. Humans always are. Also, 2 billion birds sounds like a massive overestimation. Maybe 200 million.


It's usually only pets which get spayed or neutered - something which doesn't effect feral cats. There are programs to do the same with feral cat populations, but their results are dubious and questionable. Human beings are more dangerous to the ecosystem than cats, but not by a lot. My numbers and claims have been backed by several sources in the OP. Mind you, 2 billion is a conservative number.

And as for drowning kittens: the reason it's been brought up by some, ecologist Pentti Linkola for example, is because it's been a mainstay of eliminating unwanted cat populations in areas lacking fire arms ( like Europe and Latin America ) for centuries.


Drowning is also extremely cruel torture.
Anyone advocating it therefore undermines their point.

People will go along will reasonable animal control measures.

Not torturing kittens to death.
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Postby Sovaal » Sat Jan 12, 2019 11:00 am

Joohan wrote:
Lanoraie II wrote:I have good news for you; the cat population is already attempting to be regulated by heavily encouraging people to spay and neuter their kitties. It's also becoming more common for cats to be indoor cats; safe and away from birds.

However, this mainly only applies to the US & Canada (as far as I know--I'd bet something like that is happening in Europe but I don't know).

I am a conservationist and animal lover, so "drowning kittens" is probably one of the worst things you could say to me. If there was an easier method of controlling cat populations than letting people do whatever they want to an innocent kitten--well, there is, sort of. Fines for abandoning cats and non-lethal cat traps could be an option. But quite frankly, cats are not that big of a concern to the ecosystem in most places. Humans always are. Also, 2 billion birds sounds like a massive overestimation. Maybe 200 million.


It's usually only pets which get spayed or neutered - something which doesn't effect feral cats. There are programs to do the same with feral cat populations, but their results are dubious and questionable. Human beings are more dangerous to the ecosystem than cats, but not by a lot. My numbers and claims have been backed by several sources in the OP. Mind you, 2 billion is a conservative number.

And as for drowning kittens: the reason it's been brought up by some, ecologist Pentti Linkola for example, is because it's been a mainstay of eliminating unwanted cat populations in areas lacking fire arms ( like Europe and Latin America ) for centuries.

Seems like an argument for loosening up controls on small caliber firearms.

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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Sat Jan 12, 2019 11:03 am

Sovaal wrote:
Joohan wrote:
It's usually only pets which get spayed or neutered - something which doesn't effect feral cats. There are programs to do the same with feral cat populations, but their results are dubious and questionable. Human beings are more dangerous to the ecosystem than cats, but not by a lot. My numbers and claims have been backed by several sources in the OP. Mind you, 2 billion is a conservative number.

And as for drowning kittens: the reason it's been brought up by some, ecologist Pentti Linkola for example, is because it's been a mainstay of eliminating unwanted cat populations in areas lacking fire arms ( like Europe and Latin America ) for centuries.

Seems like an argument for loosening up controls on small caliber firearms.


...What kinda twisted motherfucker would shoot a goddamn cat!?

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Postby Scomagia » Sat Jan 12, 2019 11:08 am

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Sovaal wrote:Seems like an argument for loosening up controls on small caliber firearms.


...What kinda twisted motherfucker would shoot a goddamn cat!?

Someone reducing the feral cat population?
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Postby Risottia » Sat Jan 12, 2019 11:11 am

Salus Maior wrote:
Costa Fierro wrote:
You mean cats. Interestingly dogs are one of the leading killers of kiwi.


Dogs are easier to control than cats.

I haven't heard of prides of feral cats attacking and killing people in Sicily, for instance. Packs of feral dogs, on the other hand...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7949181.stm
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Postby Risottia » Sat Jan 12, 2019 11:14 am

Joohan wrote:
Lanoraie II wrote:I have good news for you; the cat population is already attempting to be regulated by heavily encouraging people to spay and neuter their kitties. It's also becoming more common for cats to be indoor cats; safe and away from birds.

However, this mainly only applies to the US & Canada (as far as I know--I'd bet something like that is happening in Europe but I don't know).

I am a conservationist and animal lover, so "drowning kittens" is probably one of the worst things you could say to me. If there was an easier method of controlling cat populations than letting people do whatever they want to an innocent kitten--well, there is, sort of. Fines for abandoning cats and non-lethal cat traps could be an option. But quite frankly, cats are not that big of a concern to the ecosystem in most places. Humans always are. Also, 2 billion birds sounds like a massive overestimation. Maybe 200 million.


It's usually only pets which get spayed or neutered - something which doesn't effect feral cats. There are programs to do the same with feral cat populations, but their results are dubious and questionable. Human beings are more dangerous to the ecosystem than cats, but not by a lot. My numbers and claims have been backed by several sources in the OP. Mind you, 2 billion is a conservative number.

And as for drowning kittens: the reason it's been brought up by some, ecologist Pentti Linkola for example, is because it's been a mainstay of eliminating unwanted cat populations in areas lacking fire arms ( like Europe and Latin America ) for centuries.

That "ecologist" is a sadistic nutter and a supreme ignorant, given how Europe has been the place with the highest density of firearms and of firearm-production for centuries.
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Postby Scomagia » Sat Jan 12, 2019 11:19 am

Risottia wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
Dogs are easier to control than cats.

I haven't heard of prides of feral cats attacking and killing people in Sicily, for instance. Packs of feral dogs, on the other hand...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7949181.stm

That's only because of the size difference between housecats and dogs. Feral cats do attack people, they're just too small to effectively kill a person. Add thirty or forty pounds to a cat, though, and you'd have a vicious murder machine. Seriously, if cats were the same size as medium to large breed dogs they would be fucking people up all the time.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Sat Jan 12, 2019 12:09 pm

Scomagia wrote:
Risottia wrote:I haven't heard of prides of feral cats attacking and killing people in Sicily, for instance. Packs of feral dogs, on the other hand...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7949181.stm

That's only because of the size difference between housecats and dogs. Feral cats do attack people, they're just too small to effectively kill a person. Add thirty or forty pounds to a cat, though, and you'd have a vicious murder machine. Seriously, if cats were the same size as medium to large breed dogs they would be fucking people up all the time.

Dont you forget it, goat boy.

Or as I say. If cats were people sized and humans were cat sized humanity would be toast.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Sat Jan 12, 2019 12:09 pm

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Postby Cetacea » Sat Jan 12, 2019 12:13 pm

Risottia wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
Dogs are easier to control than cats.

I haven't heard of prides of feral cats attacking and killing people in Sicily, for instance. Packs of feral dogs, on the other hand...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7949181.stm


Thats because cats are far more sinister and instead spend their time smothering babies https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews ... -baby.html

or causing accidents https://www.ksn.com/news/cat-causes-fat ... 1023694828

also your cat is driving you crazy https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/ar ... zy/308873/

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Postby Wahlid » Sat Jan 12, 2019 12:37 pm

Internet Rule 72: support or opposition to any measure or subject can and will be used to push Islamophobic talking points. The Prophet Muhammad was a known cat lover.
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Sat Jan 12, 2019 12:41 pm

Wahlid wrote:Internet Rule 72: support or opposition to any measure or subject can and will be used to push Islamophobic talking points. The Prophet Muhammad was a known cat lover.


I mean, I can't blame him for loving cats.

They are sinister little demons, yet they remain cute and adorable.

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Postby Scomagia » Sat Jan 12, 2019 12:58 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Scomagia wrote:That's only because of the size difference between housecats and dogs. Feral cats do attack people, they're just too small to effectively kill a person. Add thirty or forty pounds to a cat, though, and you'd have a vicious murder machine. Seriously, if cats were the same size as medium to large breed dogs they would be fucking people up all the time.

Dont you forget it, goat boy.

Or as I say. If cats were people sized and humans were cat sized humanity would be toast.

If cats were people sized and people were still people sized we'd still get demolished in a confrontation with cats.
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Postby Joohan » Sat Jan 12, 2019 3:04 pm

Sovaal wrote:
Joohan wrote:
It's usually only pets which get spayed or neutered - something which doesn't effect feral cats. There are programs to do the same with feral cat populations, but their results are dubious and questionable. Human beings are more dangerous to the ecosystem than cats, but not by a lot. My numbers and claims have been backed by several sources in the OP. Mind you, 2 billion is a conservative number.

And as for drowning kittens: the reason it's been brought up by some, ecologist Pentti Linkola for example, is because it's been a mainstay of eliminating unwanted cat populations in areas lacking fire arms ( like Europe and Latin America ) for centuries.

Seems like an argument for loosening up controls on small caliber firearms.


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Postby Joohan » Sat Jan 12, 2019 3:06 pm

Risottia wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
Dogs are easier to control than cats.

I haven't heard of prides of feral cats attacking and killing people in Sicily, for instance. Packs of feral dogs, on the other hand...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7949181.stm


We are not eliminating cats because they are a direct threat to humans, we are getting rid of feral cats and regulating pets so as to control the wanton environmental destruction they cause.

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Postby Xmara » Sat Jan 12, 2019 5:14 pm

Joohan wrote:
Risottia wrote:I haven't heard of prides of feral cats attacking and killing people in Sicily, for instance. Packs of feral dogs, on the other hand...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7949181.stm


We are not eliminating cats because they are a direct threat to humans, we are getting rid of feral cats and regulating pets so as to control the wanton environmental destruction they cause.


Or, instead of killing them, do what they’re doing with the feral cats in my neighborhood: catch, neuter/spay, release.

They actually do a favor for our neighborhood. We have a hoarder who lives on our block and the city isn’t doing anything about it. The cats go to his yard and catch rodents and other pests.
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Postby Joohan » Sat Jan 12, 2019 5:19 pm

Xmara wrote:
Joohan wrote:
We are not eliminating cats because they are a direct threat to humans, we are getting rid of feral cats and regulating pets so as to control the wanton environmental destruction they cause.


Or, instead of killing them, do what they’re doing with the feral cats in my neighborhood: catch, neuter/spay, release.

They actually do a favor for our neighborhood. We have a hoarder who lives on our block and the city isn’t doing anything about it. The cats go to his yard and catch rodents and other pests.


Check OP - it was brought up with the opening post. A lot of people are skeptical about it's actual effectiveness, what with studies showing dubious results, and demonstrating that 75% of any population would need to be sterilized in order for it to be effective.

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