Attempting to appeal to the other side to gain votes is considered heresy and treason, apparently.
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by Western Vale Confederacy » Sat Jan 12, 2019 8:12 am
by Bahktar » Sat Jan 12, 2019 8:23 am
Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Attempting to appeal to the other side to gain votes is considered heresy and treason, apparently.
by Shrillland » Sat Jan 12, 2019 8:38 am
Thermodolia wrote:Shrillland wrote:
As I see it, her domestic views are good, it's just her cynical foreign policy that should've died with the Cold War that keeps me from actually voting for her myself.
Because invading Iraq was a great idea. And bombing the shit out of Libya was a great thing to do. We should totally do the same to Syria. What do you mean Iraq and Libya are terrorists infested hellholes?
by Thermodolia » Sat Jan 12, 2019 8:50 am
Shrillland wrote:Thermodolia wrote:Because invading Iraq was a great idea. And bombing the shit out of Libya was a great thing to do. We should totally do the same to Syria. What do you mean Iraq and Libya are terrorists infested hellholes?
I never supported Iraq, and the Libyans asked us to come in, so it wasn't like we barged in uninvited.
by Ifreann » Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:20 am
by Shrillland » Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:21 am
Thermodolia wrote:Shrillland wrote:
I never supported Iraq, and the Libyans asked us to come in, so it wasn't like we barged in uninvited.
Still we shouldn’t go in. The south Vietnamienne asked us to come help yet there are several who said we never should have gotten involved.
Honestly I think the idea that democracy can work everywhere is flawed. Iraq and Afghanistan have pretty much always been under an autocratic ruler. We should have propped up one of the more pro-American Generals instead of going full nation building.
by Eglaecia » Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:28 am
by Thermodolia » Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:29 am
Eglaecia wrote:Tulsi announcing is amazing. I hate her abortion stance but her foreign policy and economic policy have been great while in Congress. I don't care who wins between her and Ojeda, but there are far too many progressives running right now. The divide between progressives is an issue, since no major neoliberal Democrats have announced yet.
by Eglaecia » Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:42 am
Thermodolia wrote:Eglaecia wrote:Tulsi announcing is amazing. I hate her abortion stance but her foreign policy and economic policy have been great while in Congress. I don't care who wins between her and Ojeda, but there are far too many progressives running right now. The divide between progressives is an issue, since no major neoliberal Democrats have announced yet.
Castro is kinda neoliberal
by Aellex » Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:47 am
by United States of Natan » Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:58 am
Thermodolia wrote:United States of Natan wrote:I just want to punch my hand into something really hard out of frustration that so many people seem completely oblivious to her record which should disqualify her as a Democratic candidate.
Oh so sad that people don’t want your uber crazy lady who said that the second amendment should be repealed. I’m so sorry the rest of us want someone who can ya know win in places that aren’t NY and CA.I mean, there would be riots if Hillary Clinton was a homophobic, racist, antisemitic,
I didn’t see any riots when Clinton was nominated. Also Gabbard isn’t racist or antisemitic or homophobic. And unlike Hillary “I’m against gay marriage” Clinton she changed her mind after serving in Iraq and not because her opponent for the nomination said gays are cool.bigoted former cultist masquerading as a Democrat, who supports Assad and other dictators.
Yes because invading every goddamn nation on the planet because dictator man bad is the best thing ever and has never ever messed up. Pay no mind to the fact that Iraq and Libya are worse off than before we “helped”She'd have been run out of the country.
And that’s why Trump and Pence aren’t in office. Oh wait...And yet so many on the far left seem quick to jump on the Tulsi Train. It just dumbfounds me why they don't do their own research. I only hope that the media vets her, which they failed to do for Bernie.
I’m sure they actually have do there own research and the majority aren’t for invading every goddamn nation on the planet, they aren’t for candidates who are super crazy, and nor are they for supper polished focus groupped candidates
Then it's a lie. Everything Fox News says is a lie.
Even true things once said on Fox News become lies.
(Family Guy: Excellence in Broadcasting)
by Thermodolia » Sat Jan 12, 2019 10:07 am
United States of Natan wrote:Thermodolia wrote:Oh so sad that people don’t want your uber crazy lady who said that the second amendment should be repealed. I’m so sorry the rest of us want someone who can ya know win in places that aren’t NY and CA.
I didn’t see any riots when Clinton was nominated. Also Gabbard isn’t racist or antisemitic or homophobic. And unlike Hillary “I’m against gay marriage” Clinton she changed her mind after serving in Iraq and not because her opponent for the nomination said gays are cool.
Yes because invading every goddamn nation on the planet because dictator man bad is the best thing ever and has never ever messed up. Pay no mind to the fact that Iraq and Libya are worse off than before we “helped”
And that’s why Trump and Pence aren’t in office. Oh wait...
I’m sure they actually have do there own research and the majority aren’t for invading every goddamn nation on the planet, they aren’t for candidates who are super crazy, and nor are they for supper polished focus groupped candidates
Dude, you're literally claiming that Tulsi is allowed to change her mind (when in fact, she admitted she hasn't changed her personal stance, she just claims that she thinks the government shouldn't interfere, and only changed it for political expedience)
but that somehow, Hillary isn't (and in fact, Hillary has always been supportive of gay rights, as per this tweet thread that goes into extensive detail on her record: https://twitter.com/LisaTalmadge/status ... 2505559044). This is my problem with far leftists like yourself. They act far more like republicans than Democrats. The line is surprisingly blurry.
You are living proof that the horseshoe theory is true. The extremes are far closer than they seem.
Thermodolia wrote:You voted for Clinton. So you should have no trouble voting for a bigot.
Oh my God, this is too funny. You're a laugh riot. Hillary is a bigot in the same way the Sun orbits around the Earth. Maybe get your head out of the right-wing propaganda machine for once and do some research. If Hillary is a bigot, then you're basically saying almost everyone else in the world is one.
As for Tulsi Gabbard's antisemitism, it's pretty blatant, and if you can't see it, then you don't know what antisemitism is.
Anyway dude, if you want to support far-right conservative like Tulsi, go right ahead. I'm just telling you what her record is. If you ignore it, that's on you. You'll have to live with knowing you'd rather just ignore facts and support a right-wing extremist masquerading as a leftist than actually do the research and learn the facts. I know I wouldn't want that kind of life.
by Bahktar » Sat Jan 12, 2019 10:38 am
Thermodolia wrote:snip
by The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Sat Jan 12, 2019 10:40 am
Thermodolia wrote:Unlike the SJWs I don’t give a shit about what someone said almost 8+ years ago.
by United States of Natan » Sat Jan 12, 2019 11:06 am
Thermodolia wrote:United States of Natan wrote: Dude, you're literally claiming that Tulsi is allowed to change her mind (when in fact, she admitted she hasn't changed her personal stance, she just claims that she thinks the government shouldn't interfere, and only changed it for political expedience)
So? I’m fine if people don’t personally agree with things but believe that the government shouldn’t interfere. I’m that way with abortion.but that somehow, Hillary isn't (and in fact, Hillary has always been supportive of gay rights, as per this tweet thread that goes into extensive detail on her record: https://twitter.com/LisaTalmadge/status ... 2505559044). This is my problem with far leftists like yourself. They act far more like republicans than Democrats. The line is surprisingly blurry.
No she hasn’t been. She’s only been pro-gay since the mid 2010s.You are living proof that the horseshoe theory is true. The extremes are far closer than they seem.
You aren’t in the center dude.
Oh my God, this is too funny. You're a laugh riot. Hillary is a bigot in the same way the Sun orbits around the Earth. Maybe get your head out of the right-wing propaganda machine for once and do some research. If Hillary is a bigot, then you're basically saying almost everyone else in the world is one.
She makes racist jokes about people and she only changed to pro gay because it was politically expedient to do so.As for Tulsi Gabbard's antisemitism, it's pretty blatant, and if you can't see it, then you don't know what antisemitism is.
Ya this Jew isn’t seeing. Maybe you could support your bullshit claim?Anyway dude, if you want to support far-right conservative like Tulsi, go right ahead. I'm just telling you what her record is. If you ignore it, that's on you. You'll have to live with knowing you'd rather just ignore facts and support a right-wing extremist masquerading as a leftist than actually do the research and learn the facts. I know I wouldn't want that kind of life.
She’s not a right wing extremist masquerading as a leftist. She’s just not a super liberal SJW.
Then it's a lie. Everything Fox News says is a lie.
Even true things once said on Fox News become lies.
(Family Guy: Excellence in Broadcasting)
by Western Vale Confederacy » Sat Jan 12, 2019 11:08 am
United States of Natan wrote:Thermodolia wrote:So? I’m fine if people don’t personally agree with things but believe that the government shouldn’t interfere. I’m that way with abortion.
No she hasn’t been. She’s only been pro-gay since the mid 2010s.
You aren’t in the center dude.
She makes racist jokes about people and she only changed to pro gay because it was politically expedient to do so.
Ya this Jew isn’t seeing. Maybe you could support your bullshit claim?
She’s not a right wing extremist masquerading as a leftist. She’s just not a super liberal SJW.
Keep your head in the sand all you want. It still won't make you right.
And as a Jew, I know antisemitism when I see it. Tulsi has it in spades.
And I know I'm not in the center. But I also know that I'm not far left. I'm more in between the two; in other words, a Progressive.
by Bahktar » Sat Jan 12, 2019 11:08 am
United States of Natan wrote:Keep your head in the sand all you want. It still won't make you right.
And as a Jew, I know antisemitism when I see it. Tulsi has it in spades.
And I know I'm not in the center. But I also know that I'm not far left. I'm more in between the two; in other words, a Progressive.
by The South Falls » Sat Jan 12, 2019 11:11 am
by Shrillland » Sat Jan 12, 2019 11:17 am
Bahktar wrote:United States of Natan wrote:Keep your head in the sand all you want. It still won't make you right.
And as a Jew, I know antisemitism when I see it. Tulsi has it in spades.
And I know I'm not in the center. But I also know that I'm not far left. I'm more in between the two; in other words, a Progressive.
I think there are better candidates than Gabbard which is obvious considering my statements the past 2 pages, but I would really want to see in what way Tulsi Gabbard is supposedly anti-semitic. Please provide some sort of factual evidence, rather than, "I'm a Jew, so I know it."
Is it be cause of Syria?
by Major-Tom » Sat Jan 12, 2019 11:29 am
Western Vale Confederacy wrote:United States of Natan wrote:Keep your head in the sand all you want. It still won't make you right.
And as a Jew, I know antisemitism when I see it. Tulsi has it in spades.
And I know I'm not in the center. But I also know that I'm not far left. I'm more in between the two; in other words, a Progressive.
Therm, another Jew, doesn't see any anti-semitism.
Ya gonna provide actual hard proof or not?
by Ism » Sat Jan 12, 2019 11:52 am
Shrillland wrote:Bahktar wrote:
I think there are better candidates than Gabbard which is obvious considering my statements the past 2 pages, but I would really want to see in what way Tulsi Gabbard is supposedly anti-semitic. Please provide some sort of factual evidence, rather than, "I'm a Jew, so I know it."
Is it be cause of Syria?
It could be because she's more critical of Israel than some others , but criticising Israel's separation policies doesn't, IMO, equate to outright antisemitism.
by Ngelmish » Sat Jan 12, 2019 12:42 pm
Major-Tom wrote:Also, Castro has announced he will be running. I don't see him exactly inspiring that many voters, though I'm sure he can wrangle together a sizable amount of fundraising.
by The Black Party » Sat Jan 12, 2019 12:44 pm
by Bahktar » Sat Jan 12, 2019 12:50 pm
The Black Party wrote:I'm sorry guys but if Donald Trump could win, Kanye West definitely could, and definitely will.
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