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by Autarkheia » Fri Jan 11, 2019 11:00 am
by Torrocca » Fri Jan 11, 2019 11:02 am
Autarkheia wrote:Anarchists are just idealists. They're not necessarily wrong, they're just ... rather optimistic.
by Nordengrund » Fri Jan 11, 2019 11:19 am
Autarkheia wrote:Anarchists are just idealists. They're not necessarily wrong, they're just ... rather optimistic.
by Frievolk » Fri Jan 11, 2019 11:20 am
Autarkheia wrote:Anarchists are just idealists. They're not necessarily wrong, they're just ... rather optimistic.
♔ The Frievolker Empire || Frievolker Kaiserreik ♔
♔ The Realm in the Sun || De Reik in de Sonne ♔
♔ Led by Kaiser Johann, Part of the Erstwelt ♔
Never forget that the Muslims literally made up a new meaningless name for him when they forgot the name of Adam's Firstborn.
by Phoenicaea » Fri Jan 11, 2019 11:38 am
Autarkheia wrote:Anarchists are just idealists. They're not necessarily wrong, they're just ... rather optimistic.
by Free Arabian Nation » Fri Jan 11, 2019 12:05 pm
Autarkheia wrote:Anarchists are just idealists. They're not necessarily wrong, they're just ... rather optimistic.
by Torrocca » Fri Jan 11, 2019 12:24 pm
by Frievolk » Fri Jan 11, 2019 12:27 pm
♔ The Frievolker Empire || Frievolker Kaiserreik ♔
♔ The Realm in the Sun || De Reik in de Sonne ♔
♔ Led by Kaiser Johann, Part of the Erstwelt ♔
Never forget that the Muslims literally made up a new meaningless name for him when they forgot the name of Adam's Firstborn.
by Torrocca » Fri Jan 11, 2019 12:28 pm
Frievolk wrote:Torrocca wrote:
My ideology relies on Bread Santa's (and my) understanding of the scientific principles of biological mutualism as related to the human condition :^3
Ok look, I'm as anarchic as the next guy but please don't mistake 19th century Scientific Romanticism with actual science.
by Free Arabian Nation » Fri Jan 11, 2019 12:28 pm
by Torrocca » Fri Jan 11, 2019 12:33 pm
by Frievolk » Fri Jan 11, 2019 1:23 pm
♔ The Frievolker Empire || Frievolker Kaiserreik ♔
♔ The Realm in the Sun || De Reik in de Sonne ♔
♔ Led by Kaiser Johann, Part of the Erstwelt ♔
Never forget that the Muslims literally made up a new meaningless name for him when they forgot the name of Adam's Firstborn.
by Elwher » Fri Jan 11, 2019 1:24 pm
by Torrocca » Fri Jan 11, 2019 2:10 pm
Elwher wrote:
Mutualism is a wonderful thing as long as it is voluntary. When it becomes enforced it turns into outright theft. As far as the comparisons to non human societies, be they bees, ants, or monkeys, they are not rational creatures so the analogies are severely flawed.
by Phoenicaea » Fri Jan 11, 2019 2:38 pm
by The Liberated Territories » Fri Jan 11, 2019 2:42 pm
by Torrocca » Fri Jan 11, 2019 2:47 pm
The Liberated Territories wrote:Except that mutualism
by The Liberated Territories » Fri Jan 11, 2019 2:48 pm
by Torrocca » Fri Jan 11, 2019 2:51 pm
by The Liberated Territories » Fri Jan 11, 2019 2:54 pm
by Torrocca » Fri Jan 11, 2019 2:56 pm
by The Liberated Territories » Fri Jan 11, 2019 2:59 pm
by Page » Fri Jan 11, 2019 3:13 pm
Autarkheia wrote:Anarchists are just idealists. They're not necessarily wrong, they're just ... rather optimistic.
by The Liberated Territories » Fri Jan 11, 2019 3:18 pm
Page wrote:Autarkheia wrote:Anarchists are just idealists. They're not necessarily wrong, they're just ... rather optimistic.
Depends on the sort of anarchism one is talking about.
I'm not optimistic enough to believe in worldwide statelessness or a great revolution any time soon, but I think the state can be gradually weakened and chipped away at piece by piece, and that we might one day reach a point in which a significant number of independent anarchist communities are able to exist without getting swallowed up by the state.
I believe in anarchy one step at a time.
Consider cannabis. Before cannabis was legal in any US state, in some places like universities thousands of students would gather for mass smoke sessions on 4/20. They would openly break the law in front of the state, but they wouldn't be arrested because law enforcement didn't want to deal with the logistical and PR nightmare of rounding up thousands of people for a victimless crime. And every time this happened, the law against using cannabis was taken a little less seriously. That helped lead to legalization at the state level, and legalization at the state level is putting tremendous pressure on the federal government. More and more states are legalizing cannabis; it's a chain reaction that started with people openly displaying their contempt for prohibition and defying the state. And when we reach a point where the majority of US states have legalized it, the feds will have no choice but to remove it from Schedule 1 prohibition. They will have no choice because when over half the country is deliberately defying them, they look like a joke. It's an untenable position for a government to have a law which isn't being enforced and which the people hold in contempt, because it undermines the law itself, so eventually the federal government will capitulate.
There is a critical mass of people openly defying the law in which governments can no longer enforce it and so they back down. And when it's not just a single law but the state itself that people defy and hold in contempt, that can result in revolution. Revolutions do not necessarily have to be violent, they can be achieved by so many people defying the state that the state acquiesces rather than losing any semblance of legitimacy.
by Darussalam » Fri Jan 11, 2019 4:55 pm
Autarkheia wrote:Anarchists are just idealists. They're not necessarily wrong, they're just ... rather optimistic.
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