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The New California Republic
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Postby The New California Republic » Thu Jan 10, 2019 11:13 am

Ifreann wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:The problem is made even more convoluted when people who have escaped the Matrix/closet go back into the Matrix/closet for brief periods...

But they're only going back in the closet to get more people out of the closet, until they find the One who can dismantle the closet forever!

All while being pursued by the agents of drab and inhibition, who hunt the forces of fabulousness relentlessly.
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Thu Jan 10, 2019 12:22 pm

Ifreann wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:The problem is made even more convoluted when people who have escaped the Matrix/closet go back into the Matrix/closet for brief periods...

But they're only going back in the closet to get more people out of the closet, until they find the One who can dismantle the closet forever!


A carpenter maybe?
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Texanese United Union
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Postby Texanese United Union » Thu Jan 10, 2019 2:29 pm

The blAAtschApen wrote:
Ifreann wrote:But they're only going back in the closet to get more people out of the closet, until they find the One who can dismantle the closet forever!


A carpenter maybe?


I got to ask: Do you wanna hear the truth or a lie ? It will decide what I say.

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Postby Salandriagado » Thu Jan 10, 2019 2:31 pm

Sneudal wrote:
The blAAtschApen wrote:
I try not to be a total dickhead in life because it is the right thing to do.

Also, being a total dickhead all the time is a lot of effort. I'm lazy.


That what is considered right and wrong mostly come from religion, you do realize that right?

Being a dickhead is indeed a lot of effort, though so is being nice all the time i guess. Better be kind to those who need or earned it, and be a dickhead when someone deserved it.


No it doesn't. It comes from evolutionary factors, and religion co-opts it and claims exclusivity after the fact.
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The New California Republic
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Postby The New California Republic » Thu Jan 10, 2019 2:32 pm

Texanese United Union wrote:
The blAAtschApen wrote:
A carpenter maybe?


I got to ask: Do you wanna hear the truth or a lie ? It will decide what I say.

Wh...what? :meh:
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Thu Jan 10, 2019 2:43 pm

Texanese United Union wrote:
The blAAtschApen wrote:
A carpenter maybe?


I got to ask: Do you wanna hear the truth or a lie ? It will decide what I say.


If you got something to say, say it :P
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Panem and Circensis
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Postby Panem and Circensis » Thu Jan 10, 2019 2:45 pm

I don’t believe in God for the following reasons:

1. Let’s start off with the obvious: if there was an omniscient deity in the skies, we would have probably found such a person. Remember, all major religions were founded more than a thousand years before the Enlightenment and modern science. Heck, Christianity was founded 2,000 years ago. People learned washing your hands fought germs in the 19th century.

2. In all texts, this omniscient being demands the loyalty of humanity, so that they get a reserved spot in the clouds. If not, you get sent to a place of fire and torture. Why would any god need humanity’s unconditional fealty if they are all powerful and much more altruistic than the rest of us?

3. In all religious text, this deity is a benevolent figure. If this deity is so benevolent, then why were there so many wars, plagues, and famines. Today, there is repression, inequality both in income and in race, discrimination, murder, ignorance, disease, and bad things happening to good people. Why?

4. The very definition of death revolves around it being the end of your consciousness. Ergo, the idea of an afterlife is ludicrous, because then death doesn’t really exist.

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Postby Rojava Free State » Thu Jan 10, 2019 2:52 pm

One thing i dont get is why white people are less religious than minorities. Like you would expect the people with on average harder lives to have less faith in all loving god. As a puerto rican, this always baffled me.

Like ive had 18 friends murdered, suicide or OD, and you're still tryna tell me god is looking out for us? Tell God to do something already, kids are dying and my neighborhood is like Sudan. S.O.S. :shock:
Rojava Free State wrote:Listen yall. I'm only gonna say it once but I want you to remember it. This ain't a world fit for good men. It seems like you gotta be monstrous just to make it. Gotta have a little bit of darkness within you just to survive. You gotta stoop low everyday it seems like. Stoop all the way down to the devil in these times. And then one day you look in the mirror and you realize that you ain't you anymore. You're just another monster, and thanks to your actions, someone else will eventually become as warped and twisted as you. Never forget that the best of us are just the best of a bad lot. Being at the top of a pile of feces doesn't make you anything but shit like the rest. Never forget that.

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Postby Rojava Free State » Thu Jan 10, 2019 2:55 pm

Salandriagado wrote:
Sneudal wrote:
That what is considered right and wrong mostly come from religion, you do realize that right?

Being a dickhead is indeed a lot of effort, though so is being nice all the time i guess. Better be kind to those who need or earned it, and be a dickhead when someone deserved it.


No it doesn't. It comes from evolutionary factors, and religion co-opts it and claims exclusivity after the fact.


Humans are social animals and for a grpup to survive, you cant have someone putting lives in dangr or starting conflicts, thats why it's wrong to be a dickhead
Rojava Free State wrote:Listen yall. I'm only gonna say it once but I want you to remember it. This ain't a world fit for good men. It seems like you gotta be monstrous just to make it. Gotta have a little bit of darkness within you just to survive. You gotta stoop low everyday it seems like. Stoop all the way down to the devil in these times. And then one day you look in the mirror and you realize that you ain't you anymore. You're just another monster, and thanks to your actions, someone else will eventually become as warped and twisted as you. Never forget that the best of us are just the best of a bad lot. Being at the top of a pile of feces doesn't make you anything but shit like the rest. Never forget that.

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Postby Rojava Free State » Thu Jan 10, 2019 2:55 pm

Salandriagado wrote:
Sneudal wrote:
That what is considered right and wrong mostly come from religion, you do realize that right?

Being a dickhead is indeed a lot of effort, though so is being nice all the time i guess. Better be kind to those who need or earned it, and be a dickhead when someone deserved it.


No it doesn't. It comes from evolutionary factors, and religion co-opts it and claims exclusivity after the fact.


Humans are social animals and for a grpup to survive, you cant have someone putting lives in dangr or starting conflicts, thats why it's wrong to be a dickhead
Rojava Free State wrote:Listen yall. I'm only gonna say it once but I want you to remember it. This ain't a world fit for good men. It seems like you gotta be monstrous just to make it. Gotta have a little bit of darkness within you just to survive. You gotta stoop low everyday it seems like. Stoop all the way down to the devil in these times. And then one day you look in the mirror and you realize that you ain't you anymore. You're just another monster, and thanks to your actions, someone else will eventually become as warped and twisted as you. Never forget that the best of us are just the best of a bad lot. Being at the top of a pile of feces doesn't make you anything but shit like the rest. Never forget that.

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Postby Bienenhalde » Thu Jan 10, 2019 3:19 pm

Rojava Free State wrote:One thing i dont get is why white people are less religious than minorities. Like you would expect the people with on average harder lives to have less faith in all loving god. As a puerto rican, this always baffled me.

Like ive had 18 friends murdered, suicide or OD, and you're still tryna tell me god is looking out for us? Tell God to do something already, kids are dying and my neighborhood is like Sudan. S.O.S. :shock:


On the contrary, it seems that many people who have difficult lives turn to religion as a source of solace, while people who are materially wealthy and have things handed to them on a silver platter are more likely to be religiously apathetic. Of course, such trends do not hold true for all individuals.

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The World Capitalist Confederation
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Postby The World Capitalist Confederation » Thu Jan 10, 2019 3:29 pm

Bienenhalde wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:One thing i dont get is why white people are less religious than minorities. Like you would expect the people with on average harder lives to have less faith in all loving god. As a puerto rican, this always baffled me.

Like ive had 18 friends murdered, suicide or OD, and you're still tryna tell me god is looking out for us? Tell God to do something already, kids are dying and my neighborhood is like Sudan. S.O.S. :shock:


On the contrary, it seems that many people who have difficult lives turn to religion as a source of solace, while people who are materially wealthy and have things handed to them on a silver platter are more likely to be religiously apathetic. Of course, such trends do not hold true for all individuals.

Rather than materialism, it’s more linked to education: those with more education are more likely to be wealthy, and atheist at the same time. Correlation =/= Causation. Give a poor person education for free and they’ll be as likely to become an atheist as the rich man with the same amount of education. It’s a case of C causes both A and B rather than A causing B. With the same fallacy, we could say that cigarettes cause cancer by physically existing.
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Postby Upper Ireland » Thu Jan 10, 2019 4:42 pm

I can't say I'm religious, but it does seem more likely than unlikely that a god exists based on reason.

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Postby The New California Republic » Thu Jan 10, 2019 4:43 pm

Upper Ireland wrote:I can't say I'm religious, but it does seem more likely than unlikely that a god exists based on reason.

Why?
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They're hoping soon, my kind will drop and die
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Postby Farnhamia » Thu Jan 10, 2019 5:21 pm

The New California Republic wrote:
Upper Ireland wrote:I can't say I'm religious, but it does seem more likely than unlikely that a god exists based on reason.

Why?

I know this one ... nothing can come from nothing, everything has to have a beginning, uhm ... we don't know everything so it must be God. Oh, and flagellas and irreducible complexity. *nodnod*
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Postby Upper Ireland » Thu Jan 10, 2019 7:46 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Why?

I know this one ... nothing can come from nothing, everything has to have a beginning, uhm ... we don't know everything so it must be God. Oh, and flagellas and irreducible complexity. *nodnod*

That's quite a bit of it, I guess.

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Postby Valrifell » Thu Jan 10, 2019 8:19 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Why?

I know this one ... nothing can come from nothing, everything has to have a beginning, uhm ... we don't know everything so it must be God. Oh, and flagellas and irreducible complexity. *nodnod*


I'd like to point out that even with God, you'd have trouble with the "first mover" problem. Like, who created God? Himself? How is that different from just accepting a universe without first motion, feels like religious folk are just adding an unnecessary step.
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Postby Myrensis » Thu Jan 10, 2019 9:27 pm

I don't believe in God because I have pollen allergies.

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Postby The Caleshan Valkyrie » Thu Jan 10, 2019 9:38 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:I know this one ... nothing can come from nothing, everything has to have a beginning, uhm ... we don't know everything so it must be God. Oh, and flagellas and irreducible complexity. *nodnod*


I'd like to point out that even with God, you'd have trouble with the "first mover" problem. Like, who created God? Himself? How is that different from just accepting a universe without first motion, feels like religious folk are just adding an unnecessary step.


Logic only matters when it supports their claim.

For example, take that one poster that said omnipotence might allow god to bypass paradoxes. It must be nice, being able to hide behind the ramifications of a fictional property.
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Postby Farnhamia » Thu Jan 10, 2019 10:22 pm

The Caleshan Valkyrie wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
I'd like to point out that even with God, you'd have trouble with the "first mover" problem. Like, who created God? Himself? How is that different from just accepting a universe without first motion, feels like religious folk are just adding an unnecessary step.


Logic only matters when it supports their claim.

For example, take that one poster that said omnipotence might allow god to bypass paradoxes. It must be nice, being able to hide behind the ramifications of a fictional property.

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Postby Olthar » Thu Jan 10, 2019 10:26 pm

Myrensis wrote:I don't believe in God because I have pollen allergies.

Why would an altruistic, loving God makes flowers that smell nice and then arbitrarily make a portion of the population unable to smell those flowers? It's just cruel and inhumane.
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Postby Farnhamia » Thu Jan 10, 2019 10:29 pm

Olthar wrote:
Myrensis wrote:I don't believe in God because I have pollen allergies.

Why would an altruistic, loving God makes flowers that smell nice and then arbitrarily make a portion of the population unable to smell those flowers? It's just cruel and inhumane.

And lower back pain. Fallen arches. "In his image ..." I bet God doesn't have body odor or gas.
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Postby Olthar » Thu Jan 10, 2019 10:32 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Olthar wrote:Why would an altruistic, loving God makes flowers that smell nice and then arbitrarily make a portion of the population unable to smell those flowers? It's just cruel and inhumane.

And lower back pain. Fallen arches. "In his image ..." I bet God doesn't have body odor or gas.

I also doubt God ever had acne, and I'm sure he has a full head of hair.
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Postby The Caleshan Valkyrie » Thu Jan 10, 2019 10:34 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
The Caleshan Valkyrie wrote:
Logic only matters when it supports their claim.

For example, take that one poster that said omnipotence might allow god to bypass paradoxes. It must be nice, being able to hide behind the ramifications of a fictional property.

Don't tell the president.


I’d say the damage has long been done...
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Postby Augustus Legions » Thu Jan 10, 2019 10:35 pm

god exists because my girlfriend breaking up with me and my sister marrying my other brother don't make no darn sense.
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