E.U. Imposes Sanctions on Iran Over Assassination Plots

[Trumptonium1]

It isn't though. The two examples are like comparing apples and oranges. The military and economic circumstances in each are entirely different.

Both are completely unrelated though. It's about the message here, not the race and gender of the messenger.

"Iran is no different from other countries even with their assassination plots"

Apparently we live in an alternate reality. Anyways, has anyone made a thread yet about the Swiss assassination attempt on the New Zealand Prime Minister over sheep wool competitiveness?

Ah yes, let's coincidentally forget about Israel, Russia, Saudi-Arabia, the U.S., the U.K., France etc. etc.

Oh yes please do tell me all about the assassination attempts the British and French governments have become known for over the last 50 years.

[Novus America]

It is though, as his point was that Iran should just let it go. Same could be applied to the U.S.. Both suffered from terrorist attacks, and both didn't let it go and hunted down those responsible. Iran is no different from the U.S. in that regard.

It isn't though. The two examples are like comparing apples and oranges. The military and economic circumstances in each are entirely different.

Besides whataboutism is still an admission of guilt, not a defense.
The US also went to war with Afghanistan. Therefore the OP seems to be claiming Iran is at war with the EU, if he is claiming the situations are the same.
And then the EU should respond with military force against Iran.

Anyways there is no evidence these people are actual terrorists, instead of Iranian dissidents.

Also there are limits on what you can do and if you overstep those people get pissed.
Several countries are unhappy about some us anti terrorist actions.

So we have whataboutism, false equivalency and ignoring the fact that not only Iran gets pushback when it is seen as going too far.

[Sovaal]

Any evidence they where terrorists op?

Not that Iran has any high ground there.

[Shofercia]

The European Union penalized Iran on Tuesday over allegations that the country’s intelligence service orchestrated a series of assassination plots in Europe in recent years, including the killing of two Iranians in the Netherlands with ties to anti-government extremist groups.

In a letter outlining its justification for sanctions, the Dutch Foreign Ministry cited “strong indications that Iran was involved in the assassinations of two Dutch nationals of Iranian origin,” one in 2015 in the city of Almere and another in 2017 in The Hague.

European intelligence officials have also linked the Iranian government to unsuccessful plots in Denmark and France.

“In the Dutch government’s opinion, hostile acts of this kind flagrantly violate the sovereignty of the Netherlands and are unacceptable,” the letter said.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/08/world/europe/iran-eu-sanctions.html
https://www.france24.com/en/20190109-eu-sanctions-iran-over-assassinations-peoples-mujahedeen-france-bomb-plot

What do you think of this? Do you think it is the right move of the E.U.?

Personally i don't think it's right. Ofcourse Iran wants justice done to them, and it knows very well that the E.U. won't extradite them due to the death penalty, and thus they choose to take them out in another way. Now surely assassinating other people on foreign soil (or home soil for that matter) is not okay, but what i find far worse is the fact that the E.U. is harboring, and now also effectively protecting well known terrorists.

So much for the vaunted EU independence when it comes to Iran, and the Iranian Nuclear Deal. When the US says "jump" the EU's only question continues to be "how high?"

[Myrensis]

Race and gender...? What on Earth are you talking about?

Non-related things, just like you were doing.

No, he was pointing out that the US and Iran were and are in radically different positions, and that therefore their considerations for responding to things are different.

The US is..the US, Afghanistan had nothing it needed or wanted, had no allies of any note, and was completely inferior militarily and economically, so there was no real reason for the US not to kick the doors in and do what they want.

Iran very much needs and wants the restoration of trade and economic cooperation with Europe, cannot meaningfully threaten them militarily or economically in any way, and currently has an excellent opportunity for fostering relations given that the US unilaterally scrapped the nuclear deal and has been busy provoking Europe in other ways, so annoying them by carrying out assassinations within their borders, regardless of what the targets may have done, is a counter-productive move.

[Frievolk]

The European Union penalized Iran on Tuesday over allegations that the country’s intelligence service orchestrated a series of assassination plots in Europe in recent years, including the killing of two Iranians in the Netherlands with ties to anti-government extremist groups.

In a letter outlining its justification for sanctions, the Dutch Foreign Ministry cited “strong indications that Iran was involved in the assassinations of two Dutch nationals of Iranian origin,” one in 2015 in the city of Almere and another in 2017 in The Hague.

European intelligence officials have also linked the Iranian government to unsuccessful plots in Denmark and France.

“In the Dutch government’s opinion, hostile acts of this kind flagrantly violate the sovereignty of the Netherlands and are unacceptable,” the letter said.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/08/world/europe/iran-eu-sanctions.html
https://www.france24.com/en/20190109-eu-sanctions-iran-over-assassinations-peoples-mujahedeen-france-bomb-plot

What do you think of this? Do you think it is the right move of the E.U.?

Personally i don't think it's right. Ofcourse Iran wants justice done to them, and it knows very well that the E.U. won't extradite them due to the death penalty, and thus they choose to take them out in another way. Now surely assassinating other people on foreign soil (or home soil for that matter) is not okay, but what i find far worse is the fact that the E.U. is harboring, and now also effectively protecting well known terrorists.

So much for the vaunted EU independence when it comes to Iran, and the Iranian Nuclear Deal. When the US says "jump" the EU's only question continues to be "how high?"

1- The EU hasn't opted out of Barjam
2- The EU putting Ettela'at in their list of terrorist organizations has jack-shit to do with Trump or the US and only to do with the fact Ettela'at has been assassinating the IRI's opposition-in-exile in Europe (ironically, almost consistently in Paris) since the 80s.

[The Rich Port]

Oh great. Iran just made Trump look smart for once.

Thanks for that, Iran.

[Sneudal]

It isn't though. The two examples are like comparing apples and oranges. The military and economic circumstances in each are entirely different.

Besides whataboutism is still an admission of guilt, not a defense.
The US also went to war with Afghanistan. Therefore the OP seems to be claiming Iran is at war with the EU, if he is claiming the situations are the same.
And then the EU should respond with military force against Iran.

Anyways there is no evidence these people are actual terrorists, instead of Iranian dissidents.

Also there are limits on what you can do and if you overstep those people get pissed.
Several countries are unhappy about some us anti terrorist actions.

So we have whataboutism, false equivalency and ignoring the fact that not only Iran gets pushback when it is seen as going too far.

1) No? I see you completely miss the point as well.

2) Yes there is.

3) Wrong, Wrong and Wrong. Try again next time.

Any evidence they where terrorists op?

Not that Iran has any high ground there.

Already mentioned it. The two assassinated in the Netherlands for example. One was the mastermind behind a terrorist attack in Iran that left 73 people dead and the other was the leader of a terrorist organisation in Iran.

The European Union penalized Iran on Tuesday over allegations that the country’s intelligence service orchestrated a series of assassination plots in Europe in recent years, including the killing of two Iranians in the Netherlands with ties to anti-government extremist groups.

In a letter outlining its justification for sanctions, the Dutch Foreign Ministry cited “strong indications that Iran was involved in the assassinations of two Dutch nationals of Iranian origin,” one in 2015 in the city of Almere and another in 2017 in The Hague.

European intelligence officials have also linked the Iranian government to unsuccessful plots in Denmark and France.

“In the Dutch government’s opinion, hostile acts of this kind flagrantly violate the sovereignty of the Netherlands and are unacceptable,” the letter said.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/08/world/europe/iran-eu-sanctions.html
https://www.france24.com/en/20190109-eu-sanctions-iran-over-assassinations-peoples-mujahedeen-france-bomb-plot

What do you think of this? Do you think it is the right move of the E.U.?

Personally i don't think it's right. Ofcourse Iran wants justice done to them, and it knows very well that the E.U. won't extradite them due to the death penalty, and thus they choose to take them out in another way. Now surely assassinating other people on foreign soil (or home soil for that matter) is not okay, but what i find far worse is the fact that the E.U. is harboring, and now also effectively protecting well known terrorists.

So much for the vaunted EU independence when it comes to Iran, and the Iranian Nuclear Deal. When the US says "jump" the EU's only question continues to be "how high?"

Except that the E.U. has treated this entirely seperate from the nuclear deal.

Non-related things, just like you were doing.

No, he was pointing out that the US and Iran were and are in radically different positions, and that therefore their considerations for responding to things are different.

The US is..the US, Afghanistan had nothing it needed or wanted, had no allies of any note, and was completely inferior militarily and economically, so there was no real reason for the US not to kick the doors in and do what they want.

Iran very much needs and wants the restoration of trade and economic cooperation with Europe, cannot meaningfully threaten them militarily or economically in any way, and currently has an excellent opportunity for fostering relations given that the US unilaterally scrapped the nuclear deal and has been busy provoking Europe in other ways, so annoying them by carrying out assassinations within their borders, regardless of what the targets may have done, is a counter-productive move.

Please read up on the matter, just like they guy above, you're not the smartest one and are missing the point i made.

In response to your view: Iran has survived under sanctions before, and will do again if needed. There's no reason to let justice slide in favor of a few bucks from a Union that never had, and probably never will, have the balls to stand up for their own interests.

Oh great. Iran just made Trump look smart for once.

Thanks for that, Iran.

And how's that?

[Sneudal]

Both are completely unrelated though. It's about the message here, not the race and gender of the messenger.



Ah yes, let's coincidentally forget about Israel, Russia, Saudi-Arabia, the U.S., the U.K., France etc. etc.

Oh yes please do tell me all about the assassination attempts the British and French governments have become known for over the last 50 years.

Two second search: https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/uk-russia-nerve-agent-attack-assassination-killing-sergei-skripal-a8297906.html

Or are you also one of those who thinks the Middle-East doesn't count?

[Sneudal]

Non-related things, just like you did.

I have no idea what you are trying to do here, but it clearly isn't working.

Good to know that you see the result of your comments so far.

[Shofercia]

Oh yes please do tell me all about the assassination attempts the British and French governments have become known for over the last 50 years.

Two second search: https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/uk-russia-nerve-agent-attack-assassination-killing-sergei-skripal-a8297906.html

Or are you also one of those who thinks the Middle-East doesn't count?

That's the British alleging that the Russians carried out an assassination against an ex-spy whom the Russians had imprisoned, and then released in an exchange, and who's been out of the spy game for quite some time. For someone writing shit like just like they guy above, you're not the smartest one, you sure demonstrated your intelligence to the entire forum, by managing to confuse France and/or Britain with Russia. That'll show NSG, good job Sneudal! In case you missed it, that last sentence was sarcasm.

Non-related things, just like you did.

I have no idea what you are trying to do here, but it clearly isn't working.

Also, this ^

I have no idea what you are trying to do here, but it clearly isn't working.

Good to know that you see the result of your comments so far.

While NCR and I might disagree, NCR's comments have been effective on NSG on numerous occasions. But clearly, we're all just too "dumb" to properly grasp your "enlightenment" because it just shines so brightly.

[Sneudal]

Two second search: https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/uk-russia-nerve-agent-attack-assassination-killing-sergei-skripal-a8297906.html

Or are you also one of those who thinks the Middle-East doesn't count?

That's the British alleging that the Russians carried out an assassination against an ex-spy whom the Russians had imprisoned, and then released in an exchange, and who's been out of the spy game for quite some time. For someone writing shit like just like they guy above, you're not the smartest one, you sure demonstrated your intelligence to the entire forum, by managing to confuse France and/or Britain with Russia. That'll show NSG, good job Sneudal! In case you missed it, that last sentence was sarcasm.

I have no idea what you are trying to do here, but it clearly isn't working.

Also, this ^

Good to know that you see the result of your comments so far.

While NCR and I might disagree, NCR's comments have been effective on NSG on numerous occasions. But clearly, we're all just too "dumb" to properly grasp your "enlightenment" because it just shines so brightly.

1) From the article:

In Yemen and Pakistan, UK surveillance intelligence has been provided to US drone pilots to target suspects, sometimes based only on the location of a mobile phone, without even knowing who is holding it at the time. We at Reprieve assist a Yemeni man called Faisal bin Ali Jaber whose uncle and nephew, an anti-extremist preacher and a local law officer respectively, were killed by a US drone strike in 2012. They, like Yulia Skripal and DS Bailey, are parallel proof that, in addition to being immoral, an assassination programme is liable to kill the innocent and even the police.

There is apparently no limit to the right we assert to kill people without trial. For so long as we subscribe to this sordid business ourselves, the Kremlin will inevitably sneer at Boris Johnson’s bluster.

Please learn how to read before trying to act like a smartass.

2) Two people who aren't capable of reading are confused about words, how ironic.

3) Clearly you are. Good job on that self-reflection!

[Izaakia]

Iran is a state sponsor of terror groups anyway. Anything they say is terrorist we should basically ignore.

[Frievolk]

Iran is a state sponsor of terror groups anyway. Anything they say is terrorist we should basically ignore.

Not where the Mujahideen is concerned, tbh. They're not wrong in suggesting the MeK are a terrorist organization. There's a fuckload of assassinated officials and blown up buses in the 80s that supports that statement.

[Izaakia]

Iran is a state sponsor of terror groups anyway. Anything they say is terrorist we should basically ignore.

Not where the Mujahideen is concerned, tbh. They're not wrong in suggesting the MeK are a terrorist organization. There's a fuckload of assassinated officials and blown up buses in the 80s that supports that statement.

One mans terroirst is another mans freedom fighter.

[Shofercia]

That's the British alleging that the Russians carried out an assassination against an ex-spy whom the Russians had imprisoned, and then released in an exchange, and who's been out of the spy game for quite some time. For someone writing shit like just like they guy above, you're not the smartest one, you sure demonstrated your intelligence to the entire forum, by managing to confuse France and/or Britain with Russia. That'll show NSG, good job Sneudal! In case you missed it, that last sentence was sarcasm.




Also, this ^




While NCR and I might disagree, NCR's comments have been effective on NSG on numerous occasions. But clearly, we're all just too "dumb" to properly grasp your "enlightenment" because it just shines so brightly.

1) From the article:

In Yemen and Pakistan, UK surveillance intelligence has been provided to US drone pilots to target suspects, sometimes based only on the location of a mobile phone, without even knowing who is holding it at the time. We at Reprieve assist a Yemeni man called Faisal bin Ali Jaber whose uncle and nephew, an anti-extremist preacher and a local law officer respectively, were killed by a US drone strike in 2012. They, like Yulia Skripal and DS Bailey, are parallel proof that, in addition to being immoral, an assassination programme is liable to kill the innocent and even the police.

There is apparently no limit to the right we assert to kill people without trial. For so long as we subscribe to this sordid business ourselves, the Kremlin will inevitably sneer at Boris Johnson’s bluster.

Please learn how to read before trying to act like a smartass.

2) Two people who aren't capable of reading are confused about words, how ironic.

3) Clearly you are. Good job on that self-reflection!

I never said that the UK/France don't kill people; I said that you failed to provide proof for that. And, once again, you failed. Nowhere in that article does it say that the UK actually killed the person. Rather, it says that the US killed said people. You've previously learned that Russia is neither the UK, nor France. Do you also realize that the US is also, neither the UK, nor France? Because, Sneudal, you seem to be quite confused about that. I should also point out that you didn't originally quote the paragraph. In order for words to be read, you actually have to post them. It's a complex concept, so I'll understand if it takes you a while to grasp it.

[Izaakia]

1) From the article:

In Yemen and Pakistan, UK surveillance intelligence has been provided to US drone pilots to target suspects, sometimes based only on the location of a mobile phone, without even knowing who is holding it at the time. We at Reprieve assist a Yemeni man called Faisal bin Ali Jaber whose uncle and nephew, an anti-extremist preacher and a local law officer respectively, were killed by a US drone strike in 2012. They, like Yulia Skripal and DS Bailey, are parallel proof that, in addition to being immoral, an assassination programme is liable to kill the innocent and even the police.

There is apparently no limit to the right we assert to kill people without trial. For so long as we subscribe to this sordid business ourselves, the Kremlin will inevitably sneer at Boris Johnson’s bluster.

Please learn how to read before trying to act like a smartass.

2) Two people who aren't capable of reading are confused about words, how ironic.

3) Clearly you are. Good job on that self-reflection!

I never said that the UK/France don't kill people; I said that you failed to provide proof for that. And, once again, you failed. Nowhere in that article does it say that the UK actually killed the person. Rather, it says that the US killed said people. You've previously learned that Russia is neither the UK, nor France. Do you also realize that the US is also, neither the UK, nor France? Because, Sneudal, you seem to be quite confused about that. I should also point out that you didn't originally quote the paragraph. In order for words to be read, you actually have to post them. It's a complex concept, so I'll understand if it takes you a while to grasp it.

Would like to point out that during the Syria conflict, the U.K. as a nation only accidentally killed one person who wasn’t a target. Which is a damn good rate for collateral damage. Maybe we’re the most moral bombers in the world.

[Frievolk]

Not where the Mujahideen is concerned, tbh. They're not wrong in suggesting the MeK are a terrorist organization. There's a fuckload of assassinated officials and blown up buses in the 80s that supports that statement.

One mans terroirst is another mans freedom fighter.

Not sure how much of a "freedom fighter" an Islamic Marxist can be.

[Western Vale Confederacy]

One mans terroirst is another mans freedom fighter.

Not sure how much of a "freedom fighter" an Islamic Marxist can be.

Anti-freedom fighter, yeah...

[Saiwania]

What Iran is doing is no different from what Israel did in the good old days, the 1970s until today. Lots of countries assassinate people for various reasons.

[The Grims]

What Iran is doing is no different from what Israel did in the good old days, the 1970s until today. Lots of countries assassinate people for various reasons.

The name's Bond. Yasser Bond

I wonder what Iranian agents drink instead of shaken vodka martinis...

[Sneudal]

1) From the article:

In Yemen and Pakistan, UK surveillance intelligence has been provided to US drone pilots to target suspects, sometimes based only on the location of a mobile phone, without even knowing who is holding it at the time. We at Reprieve assist a Yemeni man called Faisal bin Ali Jaber whose uncle and nephew, an anti-extremist preacher and a local law officer respectively, were killed by a US drone strike in 2012. They, like Yulia Skripal and DS Bailey, are parallel proof that, in addition to being immoral, an assassination programme is liable to kill the innocent and even the police.

There is apparently no limit to the right we assert to kill people without trial. For so long as we subscribe to this sordid business ourselves, the Kremlin will inevitably sneer at Boris Johnson’s bluster.

Please learn how to read before trying to act like a smartass.

2) Two people who aren't capable of reading are confused about words, how ironic.

3) Clearly you are. Good job on that self-reflection!

I never said that the UK/France don't kill people; I said that you failed to provide proof for that. And, once again, you failed. Nowhere in that article does it say that the UK actually killed the person. Rather, it says that the US killed said people. You've previously learned that Russia is neither the UK, nor France. Do you also realize that the US is also, neither the UK, nor France? Because, Sneudal, you seem to be quite confused about that. I should also point out that you didn't originally quote the paragraph. In order for words to be read, you actually have to post them. It's a complex concept, so I'll understand if it takes you a while to grasp it.

Oh, in that case we can safely say that Iran never killed or tried to kill anyone. After all, the assassinations weren't carried out by Iran itself, but Iran merely hired people to do it for them. Just like the UK let's the US do most of the dirty work.
Giving the info to the one doing the dirty work is pretty much the same as killing them yourself.

And why exactly should i quote that part? For your lazy ass i assume? Nah mate, you can use the extra reading.

What Iran is doing is no different from what Israel did in the good old days, the 1970s until today. Lots of countries assassinate people for various reasons.

The name's Bond. Yasser Bond

I wonder what Iranian agents drink instead of shaken vodka martinis...

Shaken chai?

Iran is a state sponsor of terror groups anyway. Anything they say is terrorist we should basically ignore.

Lol, what a logic.

I never said that the UK/France don't kill people; I said that you failed to provide proof for that. And, once again, you failed. Nowhere in that article does it say that the UK actually killed the person. Rather, it says that the US killed said people. You've previously learned that Russia is neither the UK, nor France. Do you also realize that the US is also, neither the UK, nor France? Because, Sneudal, you seem to be quite confused about that. I should also point out that you didn't originally quote the paragraph. In order for words to be read, you actually have to post them. It's a complex concept, so I'll understand if it takes you a while to grasp it.

Would like to point out that during the Syria conflict, the U.K. as a nation only accidentally killed one person who wasn’t a target. Which is a damn good rate for collateral damage. Maybe we’re the most moral bombers in the world.

Eh, it depends more on 1) What you consider collateral damage, and 2) Whether the collateral damage is confirmed.

[Havarland]

Is this the same EU who refused to join US pullout from the deal and said that Iran is a trustworthy nation intent on change?

Honestly, Iran fucked up a lot after Trump pulled out of Barjam.

Nah, Iran fucked up by becoming an Islamic country.

[Sneudal]

Honestly, Iran fucked up a lot after Trump pulled out of Barjam.

Nah, Iran fucked up by becoming an Islamic country.

Nah, Iran fucked up when they didn't fight the US/UK backed coup in 1953.

[Frievolk]

Nah, Iran fucked up by becoming an Islamic country.

Nah, Iran fucked up when they didn't fight the US/UK backed coup in 1953.

The majority supported the coup. They'd been trying to throw Mossadeq out of the office for weeks at that point.