Embassy of the NPO

[Unibot III]

Stop trying to insert yourself into decisions you were not involved in. You are not an honorary debater for the South Pacific. We do not wish to have your services.

I don't really care what you think of it, Aumeltopia. I brought up a TRR-TEP-TSP treaty months before negotiations began and made the case for it. I did so publicly here on these forums (in a bloody essay) and privately through friends and contacts. I'm not acting on behalf of your ministry and I don't care to. Nor am I looking for your sanction. I monitored what I said on these forums in line with the interests of TSP when I was a TSP official - I am no longer an TSP official and I'm banned from TSP, so you don't get to tell me what I say or what I do. The region doesn't get to say that I am both banned and not at liberty to speak in a manner that exercises the kind of discretion that your department prefers. I will do what I like and say what I think.

The South Pacific has no issues with the Corporation of Lazarus and holds no grudges against it or its delegate.

Officially.

[Imkiville]

I know you're out of touch since your near universally ostracised but you really should find out actual facts and not spout any old rubbish that plops into your head. I'm not a personal enemy of TSP, our dislike of each other now is no secret but I was dedicated and did good work for TSP for a long time, I'm not banned from there and Lazarus has no ill will against TSP, we are maintaining friendly relations with them. Also good luck finding anyone actually actively in Lazarus who would call it a dictatorship.

This post hurts my head:

1) You admit there is a mutual dislike of one another. But insist there's nothing between you that could obstruct relations. Hello...

2) Anyone actually active in Lazarus would naturally support you, because their participation is indicative of support. That's like saying no-one in NPO would call NPO a dictatorship, so NPO isn't a dictatorship. There are still people out there that are original natives of the Pacific that resist the creation of the NPO and refuse to recognize it, likewise there are also still existing refugees of the Lazarus Civil War who see your leadership as dictatorial - because it ... is a dictatorship. You're not holding regular elections, there is no term limit, no challenge system. God knows how you will react when you do face a negative Assembly vote, if that's even possible to organize without indirect suppression from you.

3) You expect personal and political clemency from TSP and TRR for your part in helping to overthrow a long, long ally of both TSP and TRR. But your act in the downfall of the Khanate was not a noble infiltration like Kazmr in NLO (who is a goddamn hero), you've significantly benefited from this post-coup scenario as the chief executive. If TSP and TRR did this, allianceships would mean nothing, they'd be totally immaterial. You accomplished what other coupers could only dream of: legitimacy without democracy.

I'm sorry, I didn't realise being corrected hurt you so much, not that I'm going to stop~

1) Its fairly simple actually. It's called diplomacy and being a good delegate. I thought that was meant to be your thing? My personal dislike of certain elements of TSP is not Lazarus' problem as a whole and I'm not trying to make it one. I want them to be able to function as a region and be able to work with whomever they want and need, even after I am no longer delegate. I'm laying the foundations for that by not bringing my personal feelings in to it. I'm not so selfish as to make them pay for my pettiness. Are you suggesting TSP is?

2) Again showing your lack of knowledge. There is a challenge system, I can be removed from office if the assembly desires it, they vote on all appointments I propose to then and write the laws which they debate among themselves with very little input from me. New Rogernomics has also pointed this out but I notice how you completely ignore him. There are plenty of Lazarenes from all the various previous incarnations of our government in the region that are happy to work together. The ones that sit outside and cry about the lack of democracy instead of being involved to see what's actually going on are the ones that are upset they've lost their ability to subvert the region to their own end and I have absolutely no apologies to make for that. Defenders, raiders and neutrals, members past and present, are all welcome unless they've done something heinous or are a member of a hostile region.

3) I have at no point pushed TSP or TRR away. The wolfist regime started that and stubborn refusal to accept that Lazarus is going to do it's own thing and not be some bestest best defender buddy anymore from certain people has continued it. Well, sounds like a them problem to me when all we've done it try and stay positive and rebuild. I'm trying to help the region be what they want to be, not what other regions want. People in Lazarus are mostly happy and working to make the region a better place. You are sitting in your lonely armchair complaining that your agenda isn't being met and trying to justify it with fake facts.
I'd be surprised if anyone listens to a word you say since everytime you mention anything about me or my region its been completely wrong. I can only assume the same for the rest of your asinine essays.

[New Rogernomics]

We may be enemies, but I feel for them having to deal with peeps going on about an entirely different region in their own embassy thread.

That said, I will respond to stuff Unibot said directly related to The Pacific, NPO, and Lazarus.

*spoilers my reply*

There are still people out there that are original natives of the Pacific that resist the creation of the NPO and refuse to recognize it, likewise there are also still existing refugees of the Lazarus Civil War who see your leadership as dictatorial - because it ... is a dictatorship. You're not holding regular elections, there is no term limit, no challenge system. God knows how you will react when you do face a negative Assembly vote, if that's even possible to organize without indirect suppression from you.

Time for me to put my pre-PRL Lazarene cap on. Lazarus never had term limits prior to the PRL. It had a challenge system. It was never really fussed about that the delegacy rarely had elections. The Humane Republic had a whole lot of inactive delegates, who left for various reasons. We'd have been better off without term limits that punished popular delegates, and forced Lazarus to have almost a third of each year with no elected delegate. Term limits are of no value to Lazarus. Good riddance to them. I'd have preferred three terms of Loftegen, to an entire third of the year wasted on inactive delegates. No offense of course to those who weren't up to it.

Pick up a book seriously though on political theory or a sociology dictionary. A system that is a defacto constitutional monarchy, with democratic means to remove said monarch, without consequence or punishment, is not a dictatorship. By the logic that is made here, the UK is a dictatorship, as the monarch is not elected, even though parliament can force the monarch out.

As for The Pacific or NPO, if you are to criticize them, then do it right. That means actually bother to read their own constitution or dispatches. The NPO is not a dictatorship, but an oligarchic meritocracy, with a Senate. The New Pacific Order even make it easy to understand with their dispatches.

[Pierconium]

We may be enemies, but I feel for them having to deal with peeps going on about an entirely different region in their own embassy thread.

That said, I will respond to stuff Unibot said directly related to The Pacific, NPO, and Lazarus.

*spoilers my reply*

There are still people out there that are original natives of the Pacific that resist the creation of the NPO and refuse to recognize it, likewise there are also still existing refugees of the Lazarus Civil War who see your leadership as dictatorial - because it ... is a dictatorship. You're not holding regular elections, there is no term limit, no challenge system. God knows how you will react when you do face a negative Assembly vote, if that's even possible to organize without indirect suppression from you.

Time for me to put my pre-PRL Lazarene cap on. Lazarus never had term limits prior to the PRL. It had a challenge system. It was never really fussed about that the delegacy rarely had elections. The Humane Republic had a whole lot of inactive delegates, who left for various reasons. We'd have been better off without term limits that punished popular delegates, and forced Lazarus to have almost a third of each year with no elected delegate. Term limits are of no value to Lazarus. Good riddance to them. I'd have preferred three terms of Loftegen, to an entire third of the year wasted on inactive delegates. No offense of course to those who weren't up to it.

Pick up a book seriously though on political theory or a sociology dictionary. A system that is a defacto constitutional monarchy, with democratic means to remove said monarch, without consequence or punishment, is not a dictatorship. By the logic that is made here, the UK is a dictatorship, as the monarch is not elected, even though parliament can force the monarch out.

As for The Pacific or NPO, if you are to criticize them, then do it right. That means actually bother to read their own constitution or dispatches. The NPO is not a dictatorship, but an oligarchic meritocracy, with a Senate. The New Pacific Order even make it easy to understand with their dispatches.

Thank you for the acknowledgement regarding the purposes of this thread. But, in a climate where certain parties are attempting to isolate the Pacific diplomatically, we are fine with a bit of tangential discussion.

Although, I am not so sure that discussions of Lazarus and TSP relations are tangents at all. As we have seen numerous times, and most recently with our own mistakes, the actions of one GCR often impacts several others.

[Armaros]

2) Anyone actually active in Lazarus would naturally support you, because their participation is indicative of support. That's like saying no-one in NPO would call NPO a dictatorship, so NPO isn't a dictatorship. There are still people out there that are original natives of the Pacific that resist the creation of the NPO and refuse to recognize it, likewise there are also still existing refugees of the Lazarus Civil War who see your leadership as dictatorial - because it ... is a dictatorship. You're not holding regular elections, there is no term limit, no challenge system. God knows how you will react when you do face a negative Assembly vote, if that's even possible to organize without indirect suppression from you.

Can I have an example of these poor, mistreated natives so cruelly persecuted from their home?

Alternatively, you could stop spewing shit.

[Drop Your Pants]

Can I have an example of these poor, mistreated natives so cruelly persecuted from their home?

Alternatively, you could stop spewing shit.

Technically I count as one but I'm quite relaxed about the whole thing. Eventually Laz will let me back in

[Armaros]

Can I have an example of these poor, mistreated natives so cruelly persecuted from their home?

Alternatively, you could stop spewing shit.

Technically I count as one but I'm quite relaxed about the whole thing. Eventually Laz will let me back in

You were denied citizenship for being in the NPO, who we are at war with.

[Imkiville]

Can I have an example of these poor, mistreated natives so cruelly persecuted from their home?

Alternatively, you could stop spewing shit.

Technically I count as one but I'm quite relaxed about the whole thing. Eventually Laz will let me back in

You fall under the 'member of a hostile region' criteria I'm afraid. You're welcome to be a fully fledged Lazarene if that changes though.

[Cormactopia Prime]

Osiris' primary administrator at the time didn't need to be driven crazy, he had already arrived at his destination long before that.

Mek is not "crazy," and I wasn't referring to Mek. I meant administration generally, not in the forum sense.

I wasn't referring to Zaolat either. That's why I said primary administrator at the time, not root administrator at the time. But fair point that you didn't mean forum administration, I misunderstood what you were saying. In any event, I couldn't care less about the Lemon Love infiltration. It ended five and a half years ago, and it was an infiltration against the Kemetic Republic of Osiris, a government reviled by modern Osiris for a variety of very good reasons.

Enemies or not, apologies to the NPO for this digression, and I won't be engaging in it further.

[Drop Your Pants]

You fall under the 'member of a hostile region' criteria I'm afraid. You're welcome to be a fully fledged Lazarene if that changes though.

I'll come back and coup ya!!!!

*waits for the obvious joke to be taken as an NPO threat*

[Malphe]

You fall under the 'member of a hostile region' criteria I'm afraid. You're welcome to be a fully fledged Lazarene if that changes though. :P

I'll come back and coup ya!!!!

*waits for the obvious joke to be taken as an NPO threat*

b&.

[Wycliffe]

Lazarus? A dictatorship now run by a personal enemy of TSP who simply had the foresight to flip at the right moment, after assisting a coup of a TSP ally. The war effort is a gallery of the who's who in the "Fucking with TSP" Olympics.

I agree. We should all just finish what we started and coup TSP. Lazarus can even declare war since TSP did kinda sorta invade it, kinda sorta backed an NPO take over plot (looking at you Naka), and kinda sorta tried to turn it back into an NPO Defender puppet state.

Any seconds?

Strongly agree. TSP delenda est.

[Myrth]

You know this makes no sense, right? Of course you do.

It makes total sense to say I hope he finds a region that will encourage him to do better, rather than just throwing him out like yesterday's garbage.

Aaah, the delightful hypocrisy of Cormac. Had we attempted to do as such, you'd have condemned us for harbouring those who have actively sought to disrupt other GCRs. At least you're consistant.

[New Rogernomics]

We may be enemies, but I feel for them having to deal with peeps going on about an entirely different region in their own embassy thread.

That said, I will respond to stuff Unibot said directly related to The Pacific, NPO, and Lazarus.

*spoilers my reply*

Time for me to put my pre-PRL Lazarene cap on. Lazarus never had term limits prior to the PRL. It had a challenge system. It was never really fussed about that the delegacy rarely had elections. The Humane Republic had a whole lot of inactive delegates, who left for various reasons. We'd have been better off without term limits that punished popular delegates, and forced Lazarus to have almost a third of each year with no elected delegate. Term limits are of no value to Lazarus. Good riddance to them. I'd have preferred three terms of Loftegen, to an entire third of the year wasted on inactive delegates. No offense of course to those who weren't up to it.

Pick up a book seriously though on political theory or a sociology dictionary. A system that is a defacto constitutional monarchy, with democratic means to remove said monarch, without consequence or punishment, is not a dictatorship. By the logic that is made here, the UK is a dictatorship, as the monarch is not elected, even though parliament can force the monarch out.

As for The Pacific or NPO, if you are to criticize them, then do it right. That means actually bother to read their own constitution or dispatches. The NPO is not a dictatorship, but an oligarchic meritocracy, with a Senate. The New Pacific Order even make it easy to understand with their dispatches.

Thank you for the acknowledgement regarding the purposes of this thread. But, in a climate where certain parties are attempting to isolate the Pacific diplomatically, we are fine with a bit of tangential discussion.

Although, I am not so sure that discussions of Lazarus and TSP relations are tangents at all. As we have seen numerous times, and most recently with our own mistakes, the actions of one GCR often impacts several others.

Lazarus will do whatever it needs to do to survive as a region, and ultimately if that means fighting the NPO and other regions aligned with it, then so be it. I am pretty open about my feelings on the NPO, in that I neither like or dislike it. Lazarus declared war, so I will respect the decision of my region's government, and I wouldn't expect different from citizens of the NPO towards their own government - whether Lazarus believes that government shouldn't exist or not. That said, it never hurts to be polite, even to your enemies. If I do propaganda it will be classy, and if I do pieces on the NPO it won't be some bitter rant no one wants to read.

[New Rogernomics]

I'll come back and coup ya!!!!

*waits for the obvious joke to be taken as an NPO threat*

b&.

Don't you mean baaaaaaaahte?

I'd have thought couping Lazarus would be a bit boring now.

Maybe another GCR can get couped for a change...like the NPO.

Lazarus could make The Pacific it's other corporate branch office.

"This is McPacific, home of the McPacific burger, may I take your Order?"

*runs away...with some bad NPO jokes*

[Jar Wattinree]

b&.

Don't you mean baaaaaaaahte?

That's for Pansy to do, he's our resident sheep before DYP.

[Drop Your Pants]

That's for Pansy to do, he's our resident sheep before DYP.

Yeah, someone weirdly had a sheep theme before I got there. Used to only having to share with Blaat.

[Jar Wattinree]

That's for Pansy to do, he's our resident sheep before DYP.

Yeah, someone weirdly had a sheep theme before I got there. Used to only having to share with Blaat.

Yeah, well, he's not NS so you're out of luck.

[Ryccia]

2) Anyone actually active in Lazarus would naturally support you, because their participation is indicative of support. That's like saying no-one in NPO would call NPO a dictatorship, so NPO isn't a dictatorship. There are still people out there that are original natives of the Pacific that resist the creation of the NPO and refuse to recognize it, likewise there are also still existing refugees of the Lazarus Civil War who see your leadership as dictatorial - because it ... is a dictatorship. You're not holding regular elections, there is no term limit, no challenge system. God knows how you will react when you do face a negative Assembly vote, if that's even possible to organize without indirect suppression from you.

3) You expect personal and political clemency from TSP and TRR for your part in helping to overthrow a long, long ally of both TSP and TRR. But your act in the downfall of the Khanate was not a noble infiltration like Kazmr in NLO (who is a goddamn hero), you've significantly benefited from this post-coup scenario as the chief executive. If TSP and TRR did this, allianceships would mean nothing, they'd be totally immaterial. You accomplished what other coupers could only dream of: legitimacy without democracy.

First of all, ha! You gave me a laugh. Seriously.

Have you even looked at the Twelfth Mandate? I know Imki already told you (unless you ignored her, in which case lol), but this is not exactly a dictatorship. The Assembly can dismiss the Delegate at their pleasure with a recall vote, passes laws, confirms her appointments, etc. Also, I can gamble my very life that I saw a recall motion at our Assembly months ago for her inactivity (which has improved, and would be better if not for her RL issues), and the petitioner never got banjected by Imki. But I am sure I cannot see this malevolent tyranny like you do, and I and many other Lazarenes live under Imki's iron fist. Perfect, crystal-clear logic. Save us, Unibot! We Lazarenes are just blind! Guide us, foreigner!

And where are these "refugees" exactly? If you can present me sufficient and credible evidence that they are forcibly in-exile by Supreme Autocrat Imki (because you insist we live under an iron-clad dictatorship we can't see), I will personally vouch for them in the government chat for their return. I will risk my position as Deputy MoFA if I have to (I doubt you could ever convince me, though). Otherwise, you talk of political opportunists, or, in better terms, carpetbaggers.

Second, Imki has benefitted from being a busy Delegate? Wow, she has it all! She runs our region like a dictator! Except that she leaves her Cabinet to run their affairs as they see fit often, and her RL issues have taken a toll...but I am sure she keeps going not for a stable and peaceful Lazarus, but because she (somehow) benefits from being an evil despot! Forget that Lazarus is tranquil and more cohesive since the ConCon, yes, forget all her work. Just throw it out the window! Because she obviously benefits.

Look, Unibot, you may talk trash about Lazarus all you desire, but the truth will always be an alternating matter if affairs transpire as they have. Imki has not been booted out by the Assembly because we, the Lazarenes, are content on how she is doing (or so I presume, because there has been no recall vote since months ago, and even then the petitioner abandoned his motion). If I could, I would invite you personally to come to Lazarus and experience the region for yourself. Maybe then you could finally stop throwing shit at us and come to your senses. Tough luck, huh?

You write so many essays that they could fill an entire book. Why don't you read our founding law for once and stop talking shit at us? Or, maybe, you can stop talking about us, period? Perhaps you can write tons of words, but you cannot read a constitution. Such an oddity, I must say...

And, as a TSPer, I detest when you defend us. It irritates me, it really does. If you really want to do us a favour, shut up already, or maybe even attack us. Having you vaguely associated with us is bad PR. Having you defend us when you should have shut up years ago is an affront to basic decency.

Can I have an example of these poor, mistreated natives so cruelly persecuted from their home?

Alternatively, you could stop spewing shit.

Technically I count as one but I'm quite relaxed about the whole thing. Eventually Laz will let me back in

Hmm, I don't know...maybe stop being part of a region we are literally at war?

[Drop Your Pants]

And where are these "refugees" exactly? If you can present me sufficient and credible evidence that they are forcibly in-exile by Supreme Autocrat Imki (because you insist we live under an iron-clad dictatorship we can't see), I will personally vouch for them in the government chat for their return. I will risk my position as Deputy MoFA if I have to (I doubt you could ever convince me, though). Otherwise, you talk of political opportunists, or, in better terms, carpetbaggers.

Still me. Granted the reason i'm not allowed is my NPO membership but i'm still in forced exile through the current administrations decisions. Or do I not count?

[Lord Dominator]

And where are these "refugees" exactly? If you can present me sufficient and credible evidence that they are forcibly in-exile by Supreme Autocrat Imki (because you insist we live under an iron-clad dictatorship we can't see), I will personally vouch for them in the government chat for their return. I will risk my position as Deputy MoFA if I have to (I doubt you could ever convince me, though). Otherwise, you talk of political opportunists, or, in better terms, carpetbaggers.

Still me. Granted the reason i'm not allowed is my NPO membership but i'm still in forced exile through the current administrations decisions. Or do I not count?

Not really DYP

[Drop Your Pants]

Not really DYP

Yeah I thought as much, GP gets very picky when it asks for examples.

[Lord Dominator]

Not really DYP

Yeah I thought as much, GP gets very picky when it asks for examples.

I mean, you not being allowed is from where you chose to be rather than you not being allowed 'cause Imki doesn't like you, but maybe that's 'very picky'

[New Rogernomics]

Still me. Granted the reason i'm not allowed is my NPO membership but i'm still in forced exile through the current administrations decisions. Or do I not count?

Not really DYP

Pretty much. If DYP joined the NPO during the CU or HRL, we'd have wanted him gone from admin and any political role, and we'd have probably denied citizenship under the HRL. And as for Unibot raging about refugees. Unibot actively supported the PRL, which mass banned players even vaguely raider in affiliation, and long-term Lazarenes with ties to imperialist regions. Sort of makes Unibot's complaints run a bit hollow when you take that into account.

So far of former Lazarenes, we've not allowed citizenship to:

• DYP
• Llamas, who did OOC offsite stuff that we can't discuss here.
• Infiltrators who lied on their apps, which don't count as lazarenes.
• Milograd.

Not much of a refugee list.

Though, as Imki said, if DYP wants back in, he can quit the NPO.

[North Prarie]

*sips tea*