Essays of the Carbon Pen

[The Tri State Area and Maine]

So then the NPO is just terrible at picking Senators, by picking inactive and incompetent people. Got it.

Are you contributing to the NPO war effort beyond making quips like these? Genuine question.

Nope, but I consider my role important.

Although, don't let Milo ignoring my point distract you from the fact that the NPO does, in fact, choose inactive and incompetent Senators

[Jar Wattinree]

Although, don't let Milo ignoring my point distract you from the fact that the NPO does, in fact, choose inactive and incompetent Senators

[The Tri State Area and Maine]

Although, don't let Milo ignoring my point distract you from the fact that the NPO does, in fact, choose inactive and incompetent Senators

You said that Feux was incompetent and Svec was inactive. The NPO made Svec and Feux Senators. This means that the NPO chooses incompetent and inactive Senators. How am I wrong?

As to Milo, go ahead and do that. Doesn't change anything, though.

[Milozoldyck]

Are you contributing to the NPO war effort beyond making quips like these? Genuine question.

Nope, but I consider my role important.

Although, don't let Milo ignoring my point distract you from the fact that the NPO does, in fact, choose inactive and incompetent Senators

I ignored your point because you are wrong, and your point misses the point.

Want me to waste my time addressing it?

...also, before you say "Milo, you're pro-NPO!" I'm not pro-NPO, but I've probably done more to destabilize the Pacific than you or any of the other NPO Delenda Est people ever will.


NPO Delenda Est

EDIT: I deleted my post to re-post it with fewer edits but then you ninjad my repost. Response upcoming.

[Jar Wattinree]

You said that Feux was incompetent and Svec was inactive. The NPO made Svec and Feux Senators. This means that the NPO chooses incompetent and inactive Senators. How am I wrong?

As to Milo, go ahead and do that. Doesn't change anything, though.

Feux wasn't doing his job. This is hardly able to be construed as "incompetent". Do not lie and make up words I did not say, it just makes you look like a fool.
Svez was inactive for IRL reasons.

In the beginning when they were chosen, they did their jobs both before and after being promoted.

Of course, due to double standards (and the recent trend of APC virtue signaling), the NPO cannot have the luxury of allowing people's IRL to take precedence or not being able to micromanage every single person's move. Meanwhile every other region with a functional government has no problem whatsoever with no burnout, people working in perfect cohesion as a single hive-minded unit, and with absolutely no difficulty in shuffling jobs around on a lark.

[Milozoldyck]

don't let Milo ignoring my point distract you from the fact that the NPO does, in fact, choose inactive and incompetent Senators

I ignored your point because you are wrong, and your point misses the point.

Want me to waste my time addressing it?

As to Milo, go ahead and do that. Doesn't change anything, though.

Of the two senators you cited in your post, Feux was clearly the one you meant to suggest was incompetent.

If Feux is incompetent, then Lazarus and Osiris are incompetent for letting him pose a serious threat to them.


e: NPO Delenda Est

[The Tri State Area and Maine]

I ignored your point because you are wrong, and your point misses the point.

Want me to waste my time addressing it?

As to Milo, go ahead and do that. Doesn't change anything, though.

Of the two senators you cited in your post, Feux was clearly the one you meant to suggest was incompetent.

If Feux is incompetent, then Lazarus and Osiris are incompetent for letting him pose a serious threat to them.


e: NPO Delenda Est

I didn't suggest he was incompetent. Jar did.

[Jar Wattinree]

Of the two senators you cited in your post, Feux was clearly the one you meant to suggest was incompetent.

If Feux is incompetent, then Lazarus and Osiris are incompetent for letting him pose a serious threat to them.


e: NPO Delenda Est

I didn't suggest he was incompetent. Jar did.

I said nothing of sort. You did.

[Cormactopia Prime]

Feux was competent enough to infiltrate Lazarus and Osiris, but not competent enough to accomplish his goals in either region. So I'd say it's a mixed bag.

[The Tri State Area and Maine]

I didn't suggest he was incompetent. Jar did.

I said nothing of sort. You did.

and the other (Feux) hardly doing his job.

Sounds incompetent to me.

[Escade]

Why the secrecy? Stand by your writing. It's not even like you're saying anything wildly controversial.

Going to second this and also can't be bothered to actually read things by puppets anymore....

[A mean old man]

You didn't resign in protest five years ago, Cormac. You were thrown out of TP by Feux for leaking a joke he that he'd made in the regional chat (a laughable waste of an opportunity to leak, although it's not like you were given much else to work with). Rewriting history in order to make yourself the star of this show won't confuse the memories of the people who were present at the time. Avakael: you were one of a few dozen dispensable auxiliaries who showed up well after the NLO affair had taken off and wanted to get a thumb in the pie if it succeeded. Following its failure you and the rest of these nameless mercenaries predictably scattered. You were a small part of a mundane component of the coup d'état paradigm and it's no surprise that Lazarus thought little of your involvement or simply forgot about you altogether. Everybody and their uncle "participated" in the NLO coup. Only a few people were of the cabal that was privy to everything leading up to the affair.

[Klaus Devestatorie]

You didn't resign in protest five years ago, Cormac. You were thrown out of TP by Feux for leaking a joke he that he'd made in the regional chat (a laughable waste of an opportunity to leak, although it's not like you were given much else to work with). Rewriting history in order to make yourself the star of this show won't confuse the memories of the people who were present at the time. Avakael: you were one of a few dozen dispensable auxiliaries who showed up well after the NLO affair had taken off and wanted to get a thumb in the pie if it succeeded. Following its failure you and the rest of these nameless mercenaries predictably scattered. You were a small part of a mundane component of the coup d'état paradigm and it's no surprise that Lazarus thought little of your involvement or simply forgot about you altogether. Everybody and their uncle "participated" in the NLO coup. Only a few people were of the cabal that was privy to everything leading up to the affair.

Rip, oh well.

[Cormactopia Prime]

You didn't resign in protest five years ago, Cormac. You were thrown out of TP by Feux for leaking a joke he that he'd made in the regional chat (a laughable waste of an opportunity to leak, although it's not like you were given much else to work with). Rewriting history in order to make yourself the star of this show won't confuse the memories of the people who were present at the time.

Uh, none of that is true. I resigned from the NPO and I didn't leak Feux's coup plot -- which was discussed in a smaller chat that included Emperor Krulltopia and Senator Gaspo, not the main regional chat -- until months later. The logs were posted here in September 2013. I resigned from the NPO in March 2013, shortly after Senator Gaspo asked me to deploy stealth troops to support Feux in Lazarus, because I didn't want to carry out his orders. Everything the NPO has done since I posted those logs in September 2013 has completely vindicated all of my decisions in regard to the NPO. Time and again, you and others in the NPO have proven me right and made everyone who criticized my choices then look ridiculous. Congratulations for that.

[A mean old man]

Uh, none of that is true. I resigned from the NPO and I didn't leak Feux's coup plot -- which was discussed in a smaller chat that included Emperor Krulltopia and Senator Gaspo, not the main regional chat -- until months later. The logs were posted here in September 2013. I resigned from the NPO in March 2013, shortly after Senator Gaspo asked me to deploy stealth troops to support Feux in Lazarus, because I didn't want to carry out his orders. Everything the NPO has done since I posted those logs in September 2013 has completely vindicated all of my decisions in regard to the NPO. Time and again, you and others in the NPO have proven me right and made everyone who criticized my choices then look ridiculous. Congratulations for that.

*Squints*.

Are you really referencing that old thing? Did you go back and read through it? That thread was far too little, posted way too late, followed by you being dog piled by everyone who knew the truth of the affair - that you had been ejected from TP in disgrace for being caught in a pointless leak and that we were making necessary preparations to deal with a threat that would have sent Lazarus the way of Balder at the time - into the eternal grasp of the imperialist insurgency. No. Everyone saw through you then and they see through you now.

[Killer Kitty]

we were making necessary preparations to deal with a threat that would have sent Lazarus the way of Balder at the time

As opposed to making it the NPO controlled Defender haven that was the PRL.

[Onderkelkia]

we were making necessary preparations to deal with a threat that would have sent Lazarus the way of Balder at the time - into the eternal grasp of the imperialist insurgency.

This is a complete misrepresentation of the reality of life in Lazarus prior to the September 2013 coup and purges. Viktoria Gryfynn served as Delegate of Lazarus over two non-consecutive periods, for a cumulative total of 624 days. During that time, she respected and upheld the traditions of Lazarus as a neutral democracy. She made no attempts to move it in what might be described as an imperialist direction. Her two periods ruling Lazarus culminated in peaceful transitions without any purges or extra-constitutional shenanigans, including handing over power to Feux at the end of her second Delegacy.

Gryfynn's honourable behaviour was a far cry from Feux ending his Delegacy with an NPO senator - you - announcing the expulsion of the NPO's enemies from Lazarus, followed by the extra-constitutional transformation of Lazarus from a neutral democracy into a Defender-Francoist dictatorship.

There was no 'imperialist insurgency' threatening Lazarus. If Gryfynn had planned, as Kaisern of The New Inquisition, to use Lazarus for TNI's purposes or even seize it permanently, she could have attempted this. Instead she respected the laws, traditions and sovereignty of Lazarus as Delegate.

To the extent that Gryfynn took steps to defend Lazarus in the course of 2013, it was precisely because she became aware that the New Pacific Order and its defender friends were plotting a coup. Not an unrealistic fear, when we now all know that coup came to fruition. If Gryfynn wanted to use or seize Lazarus for TNI, why didn't she do so when she was Delegate? Instead Gryfynn spoke up and acted not to turn Lazarus 'imperialist', but only later to resist Feux's attempts at entrenching Lazarus as a puppet of the New Pacific Order. Her actions were appropriate responses to the NPO plotting a coup of Lazarus.

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As for your remarks about Balder, we are a sovereign and independent region governed by native leaders. Some of those native leaders also happen to be senior members of imperialist regions, including me, but that doesn't make their role in Balder any less valid. Balder "at the time" of the Lazarus coup was a democratic region where choices about its direction were vested in the native community as a whole, as is also the case today. Lazarus in 2013 had a different native community and a longer history compared to Balder in 2013. Political decisions in Balder reflected the wishes of Balder's community.

[New Rogernomics]

[...]There was no 'imperialist insurgency' threatening Lazarus. If Gryfynn had planned, as Kaisern of The New Inquisition, to use Lazarus for TNI's purposes or even seize it permanently, she could have attempted this. Instead she respected the laws, traditions and sovereignty of Lazarus as Delegate.[...]

Pretty much Lazarus had a political tradition that even continued with various defacto coup d'etats, which pretty much avoided major purges, until the PRL came along. I'd say what makes the PRL interesting nowadays is that a lot of the issues people had with Gryfynn were personality conflicts or R&D politics based, with most who worked to get rid of Gryfynn totally oblivious to who was really working behind the scenes to get rid of her. Those same forces then continued to manipulate Lazarus, till Kazmr pushed them out for a time with the HRL, before they came back to the surface during the CU.

[Cormactopia Prime]

that you had been ejected from TP in disgrace for being caught in a pointless leak

I was not ejected from the Pacific. I left. Only you and your ilk are pathetic enough to stick around the NPO waiting to be purged over and over again.

[The Notorious Mad Jack]

I hate to agree with Onder - and believe me, anyone who knows my history in NS knows I hate to agree with Onder - but he's right, mostly.