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United Massachusetts
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Postby United Massachusetts » Sat Dec 15, 2018 10:25 pm

New Bremerton wrote:
Sciongrad wrote:I supported this until his pro-death politics came to light. His repeal efforts directly challenge the official position of the church, which is that the death penalty is never admissible under any circumstance.


Whose church? Sciongrad's church, UM's church, Auralia's church or some RL church?

Auralia and I are Catholic.
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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Sun Dec 16, 2018 3:13 am

To the above: Sciongrad is, I believe, referencing the Catholic Church's position that state-sanctioned judicial murder ought be prohibited in all circumstances.

Lord Dominator wrote:Regardless of my personal beliefs, citing 'there's precedent' by itself as an argument isn't the best argument one can make. Precedent is both mutable and non-binding. Citing the specific cases and why they apply in this one however, is much better,

I mean, argumentatively, time and place should have little moral bearing if we believe that morality is in fact universalisable. What would be even better would be to cite the specific case, then use adapted argumentation to justify why in this situation too we should take some action. Because things were done in the past does not justify their being done in the present.
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Postby Lord Dominator » Mon Dec 17, 2018 11:30 am

Imperium Anglorum wrote:To the above: Sciongrad is, I believe, referencing the Catholic Church's position that state-sanctioned judicial murder ought be prohibited in all circumstances.

Lord Dominator wrote:Regardless of my personal beliefs, citing 'there's precedent' by itself as an argument isn't the best argument one can make. Precedent is both mutable and non-binding. Citing the specific cases and why they apply in this one however, is much better,

I mean, argumentatively, time and place should have little moral bearing if we believe that morality is in fact universalisable. What would be even better would be to cite the specific case, then use adapted argumentation to justify why in this situation too we should take some action. Because things were done in the past does not justify their being done in the present.

I'm pretty sure that's what I was saying, lol
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Postby Bears Armed » Tue Dec 18, 2018 11:33 am

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The Confederated Clans of the Free Bears of Bears Armed
(includes The Ursine NorthLands) Demonym = Bear[s]; adjective = ‘Urrsish’.
Our population is approximately 20 million. We do have a national government, although its role is strictly limited. Economy = thriving. Those aren't "biker gangs", they're our traditional cross-Clan 'Warrior Societies'... and are generally respected, not feared.
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Postby United Massachusetts » Tue Dec 18, 2018 4:15 pm

Bears Armed wrote:
Co-authored by:
St Thomas Aquinas
Saint Augustine of Hippo
St Anselm

:eyebrow:
"Hr'rmm..."

;)
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Queen Yuno wrote:You have a very contradictory rep yourself, [UM].
Sanctaria wrote:We get it. You're pro-life.
Davelands wrote:(UM tries to slip another one by)
Wallenburg wrote:You've got to be the most ignorant person on this Discord.
Davelands wrote:Remember that United Mass is extremely on the religious right side. Look for hidden gotcha's for later. He is playing a long game with proposals...
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Postby Aclion » Tue Dec 18, 2018 4:22 pm

Are those your puppets? I hope not :/
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Postby United Massachusetts » Tue Dec 18, 2018 4:27 pm

Aclion wrote:Are those your puppets? I hope not :/

There is precedent for this type of thing:
https://www.nationstates.net/page=WA_pa ... /council=1
United Massachusetts
World Assembly Mission

Pro-Life Social Democratic Catholic
Ambassador: Bishop Alexander Pierce

WA Affairs Minister, The East Pacific
Assistant: Father Carl Sullivan

Fmr. President, Right to Life
Queen Yuno wrote:You have a very contradictory rep yourself, [UM].
Sanctaria wrote:We get it. You're pro-life.
Davelands wrote:(UM tries to slip another one by)
Wallenburg wrote:You've got to be the most ignorant person on this Discord.
Davelands wrote:Remember that United Mass is extremely on the religious right side. Look for hidden gotcha's for later. He is playing a long game with proposals...
"Ave Crux, spes unica nostra!"
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Postby Aclion » Tue Dec 18, 2018 4:48 pm

United Massachusetts wrote:
Aclion wrote:Are those your puppets? I hope not :/

There is precedent for this type of thing:
https://www.nationstates.net/page=WA_pa ... /council=1

*grumble grumble*
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XKI: Recruiter, TITO Knight
TEP: WA Executive Staff member
Forest: Cartographer
Oatland: Caesar, Cartographer

It is the citizen's duty to understand which box to use, and when.

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Postby Bears Armed » Thu Dec 20, 2018 10:21 am

United Massachusetts wrote:
Aclion wrote:Are those your puppets? I hope not :/

There is precedent for this type of thing:
https://www.nationstates.net/page=WA_pa ... /council=1

OOC
In that case the co-author listed had actually been responsible for drafting & sponsoring the original version, which became 'historical resolution' #148, whereas Bears Armed Mission was responsible for the GA's expanded version. What did your 'co-authors' separately contribute in this case?
The Confederated Clans of the Free Bears of Bears Armed
(includes The Ursine NorthLands) Demonym = Bear[s]; adjective = ‘Urrsish’.
Our population is approximately 20 million. We do have a national government, although its role is strictly limited. Economy = thriving. Those aren't "biker gangs", they're our traditional cross-Clan 'Warrior Societies'... and are generally respected, not feared.
Author of some GA Resolutions, via Bears Armed Mission; subject of an SC resolution.
Factbook. We have more than 70 MAPS. Visitors' Guide.
The IDU's WA Drafting Room is open to help you.
Author of issues #429, 712, 729, 934, 1120, 1152.

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Postby Erithaca » Thu Dec 20, 2018 10:26 am

Support. Auralia's GA resolutions and helpful tools have helped the NS community greatly, despite his attempt at self commendation.

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Postby Frisbeeteria » Fri Dec 21, 2018 8:45 pm

United Massachusetts wrote:
Aclion wrote:Are those your puppets? I hope not :/

There is precedent for this type of thing:
https://www.nationstates.net/page=WA_pa ... /council=1
Bears Armed wrote:In that case the co-author listed had actually been responsible for drafting & sponsoring the original version, which became 'historical resolution' #148, whereas Bears Armed Mission was responsible for the GA's expanded version.

The precedent doesn't apply. Your three "co-authors" are your brand new puppets made specifically as ... flavor text, I suppose. The argument made by Bears Armed was an actual co-author credit..

I'm applying this ruling sometime in the next day or so. The author can remove it before then, or leave it and get a SC proposal warning.

Sedgistan wrote:Bumping this thread up to say that the co-authorship line in a proposal is to list co-authors (up to a reasonable maximum of three) - nothing else. It is not a place to list supporters, assistants with campaigning, or to thank people. If you attempt any of the latter, your proposal will be deleted.

If you want to name-check someone for helping, you can use the proposal thread you post on the forums - or even just TG them your thanks.

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Postby United Massachusetts » Fri Dec 21, 2018 8:53 pm

Frisbeeteria wrote:
United Massachusetts wrote:There is precedent for this type of thing:
https://www.nationstates.net/page=WA_pa ... /council=1
Bears Armed wrote:In that case the co-author listed had actually been responsible for drafting & sponsoring the original version, which became 'historical resolution' #148, whereas Bears Armed Mission was responsible for the GA's expanded version.

The precedent doesn't apply. Your three "co-authors" are your brand new puppets made specifically as ... flavor text, I suppose. The argument made by Bears Armed was an actual co-author credit..

I'm applying this ruling sometime in the next day or so. The author can remove it before then, or leave it and get a SC proposal warning.

Sedgistan wrote:Bumping this thread up to say that the co-authorship line in a proposal is to list co-authors (up to a reasonable maximum of three) - nothing else. It is not a place to list supporters, assistants with campaigning, or to thank people. If you attempt any of the latter, your proposal will be deleted.

If you want to name-check someone for helping, you can use the proposal thread you post on the forums - or even just TG them your thanks.

OK. My apologies. I was led to believe by another that this was OK. Will remove.
United Massachusetts
World Assembly Mission

Pro-Life Social Democratic Catholic
Ambassador: Bishop Alexander Pierce

WA Affairs Minister, The East Pacific
Assistant: Father Carl Sullivan

Fmr. President, Right to Life
Queen Yuno wrote:You have a very contradictory rep yourself, [UM].
Sanctaria wrote:We get it. You're pro-life.
Davelands wrote:(UM tries to slip another one by)
Wallenburg wrote:You've got to be the most ignorant person on this Discord.
Davelands wrote:Remember that United Mass is extremely on the religious right side. Look for hidden gotcha's for later. He is playing a long game with proposals...
"Ave Crux, spes unica nostra!"
"Hail to the Cross, our only hope!"


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