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Postby The Stalker » Wed Dec 19, 2018 10:22 pm

I personally don't see a need or any reason to rewrite and replace every resolution whenever someone decides to. Soon every old resolution will be rewritten and repealed, few years later all of those will be rewritten and repealed again and again. Does no one care for the history importance? What the resolution meant and importance of when it was originally passed?

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Postby All Wild Things » Thu Dec 20, 2018 12:12 am

Yokiria wrote:
Cormactopia Prime wrote:If the only argument opponents of repealing SC#1 have is "something something historical, blah blah badge hunting, yadda yadda charity," there apparently is no real argument for keeping SC#1. Or at the very least, if a strong argument in favor of keeping SC#1 does exist, none of you have spent any time at all actually making it.


Well spoken, Cormac.

If I had the time to make a strong argument in favour of keeping it, I'd write it. I don't have the time, hence why I threw $25 at sending out a crappy telegram.

There's only ever one first. We can't repeal the repeal. When it's gone it's gone. Many people, like me, never heard of Macedon, or really cared who had Commendations or Condemnations. It's a bit if history. Like the word "swifly" Inthe Christmas Liberation. I don't see any strong argument in favour of repeal.

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Postby All Wild Things » Thu Dec 20, 2018 12:13 am

All Wild Things wrote:
Yokiria wrote:
Well spoken, Cormac.

If I had the time to make a strong argument in favour of keeping it, I'd write it. I don't have the time, hence why I threw $25 at sending out a crappy telegram.

There's only ever one first. We can't repeal the repeal. When it's gone it's gone. Many people, like me, never heard of Macedon, or really cared who had Commendations or Condemnations. It's a bit if history. Like the word "swifly" Inthe Christmas Liberation. I don't see any strong argument in favour of repeal either

Got to go. Have good Christmases y'all.

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Postby The Stalker » Thu Dec 20, 2018 12:20 am

While we're at it let's take down Vincent Van Gogh's Starry Night and replace it with a new starry night every few years cause modern is better.
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Postby Cormactopia Prime » Thu Dec 20, 2018 12:29 am

The Stalker wrote:While we're at it let's take down Vincent Van Gogh's Starry Night and replace it with a new starry night every few years cause modern is better.

This is supposed to be international law, not art. You don't preserve bad laws for historical purposes; you replace them with better laws. This is yet another example of people socializing and personalizing this game to such a degree that we're losing a sense of what it's really supposed to be.
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Postby Kuriko » Thu Dec 20, 2018 2:59 am

The Stalker wrote:I personally don't see a need or any reason to rewrite and replace every resolution whenever someone decides to. Soon every old resolution will be rewritten and repealed, few years later all of those will be rewritten and repealed again and again. Does no one care for the history importance? What the resolution meant and importance of when it was originally passed?


I've already made it clear that I personally am not going to touch the other old proposals. To be fair, the C&C's after SC#1 were better written with better details so I doubt it'd be easy to accomplish.
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Postby Todd McCloud » Thu Dec 20, 2018 4:46 am

I mean, the one thing I can think of is the importance of they being first. "Condemn Macedon" wasn't actually the first C&C voted on - that went to Condemn Gatesville, written by Kenny (and he did a good job of it, too). That resolution failed, despite the fact that at that time most considered Gatesville "The enemy". Macedon beat them out, which goes to show just how reviled they were. It was the first SC resolution passed, not cause of how it was written, but because of who they were at that time. At that time, and throughout history, being pegged down on the first SC resolution mattered. You go to page one and bam, it's right there, not struck out because let's face it, it's poorly written, but not struck out because despite that fact they still deserved it.

I can't help to think that those in Macedon would feel a lot better going to the SC page and seeing the first resolution completely struck out. For the first time in nearly ten years, I suppose they'd no longer hold that distinction of being the first one with a valid resolution, and would feel pretty good about that. I know it bothered them, so I guess in a way, this could be considered some kind of redemption?
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Postby The Stalker » Thu Dec 20, 2018 3:12 pm

Cormactopia Prime wrote:
The Stalker wrote:While we're at it let's take down Vincent Van Gogh's Starry Night and replace it with a new starry night every few years cause modern is better.

This is supposed to be international law, not art. You don't preseve bad laws for historical purposes; you replace them with better laws. This is yet another example of people socializing and personalizing this game to such a degree that we're losing a sense of what it's really supposed to be.


A condemnation isn't a law, it's condemning someone, and functions the same regardless of how it's written. I don't care another more detailed one was written, but I see no reason this should be repealed.

To me a condemning or commending is way devalued when it is rewritten and repealed by people who weren't even there. A lot of people put time and effort into making this game what it is. Repealing old resolutions erodes NS history, and a rewritten resolution doesn't hold the same weight as one written in the moment has. Standards always change, 10 years from now the new version will be considered poorly written.
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Postby Yokiria » Thu Dec 20, 2018 10:18 pm

Todd McCloud wrote:I can't help to think that those in Macedon would feel a lot better going to the SC page and seeing the first resolution completely struck out.


Bringing up the impact this will have on the Macedon community, when Macedon has no community, is... confusing.
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Postby Jocospor » Fri Dec 21, 2018 1:03 am

OOC:
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Soviet Antarctica wrote:Macedon is innocent of all charges against him and shall be dropped

Macedon is a region, not a person


That's a funny chip. Nations are also nations, not people, and yet they're role-played as people all the time.

Imperium Anglorum wrote:Lol badge hunting accusations against people who already have the badge. You don't get your whole page covered in badges when you pass more resolutions, you know.


Look, some people just don't know when to stop, do they?

And now, to the point:

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The Gilded Star wrote:I wonder if there'd be enough support to repeal the recently passed condemnation in favor of preserving the historical one instead. Probably not, but this entire situation feels like it's been a mess.

The new condemn passed because the old one was terribly written. There’s no point preserving it now that a better one has passed.

This is a terrible outlook. Do you believe there's no point in preserving "out-dated" things - technology? Why don't we get rid of manual pedals on planes and cars, now that they can fly and drive themselves? Or do you believe we should purge all the artefacts humanity has accumulated over the years simply because they serve no purpose, and there are better replacements out there? The fact of the matter is that SCR#1 truly does belong in a museum. The WA Archives were perfectly capable of acting in that capacity. SCR#1 wasn't offending anyone, at least to my knowledge, so to repeal it out of some grievance doesn't seem a stable argument. It's history. Rewriting history, that's something my region would do. I can't imagine that sits well with the WA.

This is a for-the-hell-of-it debacle by veterans of the WA. Well, wizards veterans should know better.
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Postby Aclion » Fri Dec 21, 2018 1:55 am

Repealing this resolution won't destroy it. You can stop bring this argument up.
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Postby Jocospor » Fri Dec 21, 2018 4:29 am

Aclion wrote:Repealing this resolution won't destroy it. You can stop bring this argument up.

OOC: Absolutely, it won't. But it's like the Louvre moving the Mona Lisa up into storage.
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Postby Wallenburg » Fri Dec 21, 2018 8:05 am

Jocospor wrote:Look, some people just don't know when to stop, do they?

Clearly.
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Postby Galbidah » Fri Dec 21, 2018 4:15 pm

So this Macedon was some kind of ancient Demon Lord who was sealed away long ago? :p

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Postby Aclion » Fri Dec 21, 2018 8:03 pm

Jocospor wrote:
Aclion wrote:Repealing this resolution won't destroy it. You can stop bring this argument up.

OOC: Absolutely, it won't. But it's like the Louvre moving the Mona Lisa up into storage.

By that reasoning the resolution should be repealed. The Louvre isn't in business of displaying works just because they're the oldest in their collection, the oldest item on display isn't even part of their permanent collection. However this isn't comparable. Repealing a resolution doesn't stop it being displayed.
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Postby Mediocre Confederacy » Fri Dec 21, 2018 10:04 pm

RIP SC#1

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Postby Kuriko » Fri Dec 21, 2018 10:12 pm

Repeal "Condemn Macedon" was passed 12,626 votes to 5,035.
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Postby Lord Dominator » Fri Dec 21, 2018 10:13 pm

Oh man, SC##1 is totally gone and destroyed forever and definitely has no meaning whatsoever because it's repealed. Just some cultural vandalism that I can't even read anymore, so terrible.
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Postby Jar Wattinree » Fri Dec 21, 2018 10:20 pm

Lord Dominator wrote:Oh man, SC##1 is totally gone and destroyed forever and definitely has no meaning whatsoever because it's repealed. Just some cultural vandalism that I can't even read anymore, so terrible.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/525902481528586243/525902560825966614/Screenshot_2018-12-21-23-07-44-1.png[/img]

You forgot an [img] tag in the beginning there.
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Cultural vandals! You have insulted this organisation! This resolution is an atrocity!

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Postby Milozoldyck » Fri Dec 21, 2018 10:50 pm

Cormactopia Prime wrote:
The Stalker wrote:While we're at it let's take down Vincent Van Gogh's Starry Night and replace it with a new starry night every few years cause modern is better.

This is supposed to be international law, not art. You don't preserve bad laws for historical purposes; you replace them with better laws. This is yet another example of people socializing and personalizing this game to such a degree that we're losing a sense of what it's really supposed to be.

Deadass though. The reaction to this is kind of insane. SC #1 sucked.

Having said that, I wish the repeal could've been of higher quality. The clauses aren't sentences, so why do they all end in periods?
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Postby Lord Dominator » Fri Dec 21, 2018 11:19 pm

Jar Wattinree wrote:
Lord Dominator wrote:Oh man, SC##1 is totally gone and destroyed forever and definitely has no meaning whatsoever because it's repealed. Just some cultural vandalism that I can't even read anymore, so terrible.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/525902481528586243/525902560825966614/Screenshot_2018-12-21-23-07-44-1.png[/img]

You forgot an [img] tag in the beginning there.

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Postby All Wild Things » Sat Dec 22, 2018 9:01 am

Lord Dominator wrote:Oh man, SC##1 is totally gone and destroyed forever and definitely has no meaning whatsoever because it's repealed. Just some cultural vandalism that I can't even read anymore, so terrible.

Good job on using that spoiler. Kuriko would be gutted if she knew the truth
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