[PASSED] Repeal Condemn Macedon

[The Stalker]

I personally don't see a need or any reason to rewrite and replace every resolution whenever someone decides to. Soon every old resolution will be rewritten and repealed, few years later all of those will be rewritten and repealed again and again. Does no one care for the history importance? What the resolution meant and importance of when it was originally passed?

[All Wild Things]

If the only argument opponents of repealing SC#1 have is "something something historical, blah blah badge hunting, yadda yadda charity," there apparently is no real argument for keeping SC#1. Or at the very least, if a strong argument in favor of keeping SC#1 does exist, none of you have spent any time at all actually making it.

Well spoken, Cormac.

If I had the time to make a strong argument in favour of keeping it, I'd write it. I don't have the time, hence why I threw $25 at sending out a crappy telegram.

There's only ever one first. We can't repeal the repeal. When it's gone it's gone. Many people, like me, never heard of Macedon, or really cared who had Commendations or Condemnations. It's a bit if history. Like the word "swifly" Inthe Christmas Liberation. I don't see any strong argument in favour of repeal.

Got to go. Have good Christmases y'all.

[All Wild Things]

Well spoken, Cormac.

If I had the time to make a strong argument in favour of keeping it, I'd write it. I don't have the time, hence why I threw $25 at sending out a crappy telegram.

There's only ever one first. We can't repeal the repeal. When it's gone it's gone. Many people, like me, never heard of Macedon, or really cared who had Commendations or Condemnations. It's a bit if history. Like the word "swifly" Inthe Christmas Liberation. I don't see any strong argument in favour of repeal either

Got to go. Have good Christmases y'all.

[The Stalker]

While we're at it let's take down Vincent Van Gogh's Starry Night and replace it with a new starry night every few years cause modern is better.

[Cormactopia Prime]

While we're at it let's take down Vincent Van Gogh's Starry Night and replace it with a new starry night every few years cause modern is better.

This is supposed to be international law, not art. You don't preserve bad laws for historical purposes; you replace them with better laws. This is yet another example of people socializing and personalizing this game to such a degree that we're losing a sense of what it's really supposed to be.

[Kuriko]

I personally don't see a need or any reason to rewrite and replace every resolution whenever someone decides to. Soon every old resolution will be rewritten and repealed, few years later all of those will be rewritten and repealed again and again. Does no one care for the history importance? What the resolution meant and importance of when it was originally passed?

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I've already made it clear that I personally am not going to touch the other old proposals. To be fair, the C&C's after SC#1 were better written with better details so I doubt it'd be easy to accomplish.

[Todd McCloud]

I mean, the one thing I can think of is the importance of they being first. "Condemn Macedon" wasn't actually the first C&C voted on - that went to Condemn Gatesville, written by Kenny (and he did a good job of it, too). That resolution failed, despite the fact that at that time most considered Gatesville "The enemy". Macedon beat them out, which goes to show just how reviled they were. It was the first SC resolution passed, not cause of how it was written, but because of who they were at that time. At that time, and throughout history, being pegged down on the first SC resolution mattered. You go to page one and bam, it's right there, not struck out because let's face it, it's poorly written, but not struck out because despite that fact they still deserved it.

I can't help to think that those in Macedon would feel a lot better going to the SC page and seeing the first resolution completely struck out. For the first time in nearly ten years, I suppose they'd no longer hold that distinction of being the first one with a valid resolution, and would feel pretty good about that. I know it bothered them, so I guess in a way, this could be considered some kind of redemption?

[The Stalker]

While we're at it let's take down Vincent Van Gogh's Starry Night and replace it with a new starry night every few years cause modern is better.

This is supposed to be international law, not art. You don't preseve bad laws for historical purposes; you replace them with better laws. This is yet another example of people socializing and personalizing this game to such a degree that we're losing a sense of what it's really supposed to be.

A condemnation isn't a law, it's condemning someone, and functions the same regardless of how it's written. I don't care another more detailed one was written, but I see no reason this should be repealed.

To me a condemning or commending is way devalued when it is rewritten and repealed by people who weren't even there. A lot of people put time and effort into making this game what it is. Repealing old resolutions erodes NS history, and a rewritten resolution doesn't hold the same weight as one written in the moment has. Standards always change, 10 years from now the new version will be considered poorly written.

[Yokiria]

I can't help to think that those in Macedon would feel a lot better going to the SC page and seeing the first resolution completely struck out.

Bringing up the impact this will have on the Macedon community, when Macedon has no community, is... confusing.

[Jocospor]

OOC:

Macedon is innocent of all charges against him and shall be dropped

Macedon is a region, not a person

That's a funny chip. Nations are also nations, not people, and yet they're role-played as people all the time.

Lol badge hunting accusations against people who already have the badge. You don't get your whole page covered in badges when you pass more resolutions, you know.

Look, some people just don't know when to stop, do they?

And now, to the point:

I wonder if there'd be enough support to repeal the recently passed condemnation in favor of preserving the historical one instead. Probably not, but this entire situation feels like it's been a mess.

The new condemn passed because the old one was terribly written. There’s no point preserving it now that a better one has passed.

This is a terrible outlook. Do you believe there's no point in preserving "out-dated" things - technology? Why don't we get rid of manual pedals on planes and cars, now that they can fly and drive themselves? Or do you believe we should purge all the artefacts humanity has accumulated over the years simply because they serve no purpose, and there are better replacements out there? The fact of the matter is that SCR#1 truly does belong in a museum. The WA Archives were perfectly capable of acting in that capacity. SCR#1 wasn't offending anyone, at least to my knowledge, so to repeal it out of some grievance doesn't seem a stable argument. It's history. Rewriting history, that's something my region would do. I can't imagine that sits well with the WA.

This is a for-the-hell-of-it debacle by veterans of the WA. Well, wizards veterans should know better.

[Aclion]

Repealing this resolution won't destroy it. You can stop bring this argument up.

[Jocospor]

Repealing this resolution won't destroy it. You can stop bring this argument up.

OOC: Absolutely, it won't. But it's like the Louvre moving the Mona Lisa up into storage.

[Wallenburg]

Look, some people just don't know when to stop, do they?

Clearly.

[Galbidah]

So this Macedon was some kind of ancient Demon Lord who was sealed away long ago?

[Aclion]

Repealing this resolution won't destroy it. You can stop bring this argument up.

OOC: Absolutely, it won't. But it's like the Louvre moving the Mona Lisa up into storage.

By that reasoning the resolution should be repealed. The Louvre isn't in business of displaying works just because they're the oldest in their collection, the oldest item on display isn't even part of their permanent collection. However this isn't comparable. Repealing a resolution doesn't stop it being displayed.

[Mediocre Confederacy]

RIP SC#1

[Kuriko]

Repeal "Condemn Macedon" was passed 12,626 votes to 5,035.

[Lord Dominator]

Oh man, SC##1 is totally gone and destroyed forever and definitely has no meaning whatsoever because it's repealed. Just some cultural vandalism that I can't even read anymore, so terrible.

[Honeydewistania]

All eyes on SC#2 now

[Jar Wattinree]

Oh man, SC##1 is totally gone and destroyed forever and definitely has no meaning whatsoever because it's repealed. Just some cultural vandalism that I can't even read anymore, so terrible.

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You forgot an [img] tag in the beginning there.

[The Church of Satan]

*sigh*
It's a darn shame.

[Anarchic Turkish States]

Cultural vandals! You have insulted this organisation! This resolution is an atrocity!

[Milozoldyck]

While we're at it let's take down Vincent Van Gogh's Starry Night and replace it with a new starry night every few years cause modern is better.

This is supposed to be international law, not art. You don't preserve bad laws for historical purposes; you replace them with better laws. This is yet another example of people socializing and personalizing this game to such a degree that we're losing a sense of what it's really supposed to be.

Deadass though. The reaction to this is kind of insane. SC #1 sucked.

Having said that, I wish the repeal could've been of higher quality. The clauses aren't sentences, so why do they all end in periods?

[Lord Dominator]

Oh man, SC##1 is totally gone and destroyed forever and definitely has no meaning whatsoever because it's repealed. Just some cultural vandalism that I can't even read anymore, so terrible.

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You forgot an [img] tag in the beginning there.

Oops

[All Wild Things]

Oh man, SC##1 is totally gone and destroyed forever and definitely has no meaning whatsoever because it's repealed. Just some cultural vandalism that I can't even read anymore, so terrible.

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_{Good job on using that spoiler. Kuriko would be gutted if she knew the truth}

I wrote this because SC#1 is horribly written and badly needs to disappear.