Imperial Statement from the New Pacific Order

[Drop Your Pants]

It's fun to watch NPO admit their mistakes.

Better than TBH, this will all be classed as 'training' if they don't do anything worthwhile

[Lord Dominator]

It's fun to watch NPO admit their mistakes.

Better than TBH, this will all be classed as 'training' if they don't do anything worthwhile

Dude, I know you're old, but confusing us with the LKE about something that happened a month ago is a bit much

[Armaros]

That was quick. Is the NPO still attempting to talk themselves out of this?

[Drop Your Pants]

Dude, I know you're old, but confusing us with the LKE about something that happened a month ago is a bit much

You're right, my bad. Keep getting confused between raiders and impys.

[Lord Dominator]

Dude, I know you're old, but confusing us with the LKE about something that happened a month ago is a bit much

You're right, my bad. Keep getting confused between raiders and impys.

It's fine, just don't confuse us honest raiders with them knockoff versions again

[Aenglaland]

Well that was a short war. Funny how I remember reading somewhere "this war will drag on for a long time" and thinking "yeah, nah", but I never expected to be right.

[Raionitu]

Well that was a short war. Funny how I remember reading somewhere "this war will drag on for a long time" and thinking "yeah, nah", but I never expected to be right.

I mean, this is the NPO withdrawing their one declaration. You have to remember that plenty of regions made declarations of their own.

[Drop Your Pants]

I mean, this is the NPO withdrawing their one declaration. You have to remember that plenty of regions made declarations of their own.

And some of them were pretty funny too.

[The Church of Satan]

And while the NPO doesn't recognize a state of war with any region it doesn't mean other regions aren't still at war with them.

[Aenglaland]

I mean, this is the NPO withdrawing their one declaration. You have to remember that plenty of regions made declarations of their own.

I'm well aware of this, but it's just a matter of time until the NPO takes this same approach with other regions. We all know what happens in the end, really. It's like a cycle, like a bad movie and series of cheap reboots. No matter how fancy producers try to make them, you already know the plot wasn't that good in the first place.

And some of them were pretty funny too.

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[Cormactopia Prime]

Signed on behalf of the Emperor of the New Pacific Order by:

Ivan Moldavi
Ruler of Pierconium
Consul of the Pacific

I've been told that this declaration is just the statement of a rogue member of the NPO government. Is that correct or has this been approved by the Delegate et al? Just curious. I see no reason to continue engaging with the material of the statement if it is not an actual NPO government statement.

I'm certainly disappointed AND confused at this point. So, is this official NPO? I'd like to know...

We will wait for an official statement from the Emperor himself for confirmation or denial of this declaration.

[Yokiria]

The NPO continues to be outstanding at damage control. If only it didn't have to be.

[Sargon Reman]

Under copyright by Mingulay Isle

[Pierconium]

Signed on behalf of the Emperor of the New Pacific Order by:

Ivan Moldavi
Ruler of Pierconium
Consul of the Pacific

I've been told that this declaration is just the statement of a rogue member of the NPO government. Is that correct or has this been approved by the Delegate et al? Just curious. I see no reason to continue engaging with the material of the statement if it is not an actual NPO government statement.

I'm certainly disappointed AND confused at this point. So, is this official NPO? I'd like to know...

We will wait for an official statement from the Emperor himself for confirmation or denial of this declaration.

Your attempt at a false equivalency fails from the first item you quoted. I actually signed the document in question, which was a main issue with the other post you are attempting to compare this with. Normal conventions of diplomatic correspondence were adhered to and clearly stated from the outset. Is there a certain part of the statement that you could not comprehend?

[Cormactopia Prime]

I've been told that this declaration is just the statement of a rogue member of the NPO government. Is that correct or has this been approved by the Delegate et al? Just curious. I see no reason to continue engaging with the material of the statement if it is not an actual NPO government statement.

I'm certainly disappointed AND confused at this point. So, is this official NPO? I'd like to know...

We will wait for an official statement from the Emperor himself for confirmation or denial of this declaration.

Your attempt at a false equivalency fails from the first item you quoted. I actually signed the document in question, which was a main issue with the other post you are attempting to compare this with. Normal conventions of diplomatic correspondence were adhered to and clearly stated from the outset. Is there a certain part of the statement that you could not comprehend?

Yes, you signed it, and said you signed it on behalf of the Emperor. The Emperor didn't sign it. For all we know, he didn't approve it. The idea that your only problem with Osiris' declaration of war was that the Chairman of the Council of Guardians didn't sign it is just a case of you moving the goalposts to try to save face. It was clear you were questioning whether he spoke for the Pharaoh, and that would have been the case had he signed it or not. Similarly, I'm questioning whether you speak for the Emperor. Anyone, even a former Emperor who's past his prime, can say they signed it on his behalf.

Where is the new Emperor these days anyway? He's been pretty quiet.

[Klaus Devestatorie]

Your attempt at a false equivalency fails from the first item you quoted. I actually signed the document in question, which was a main issue with the other post you are attempting to compare this with. Normal conventions of diplomatic correspondence were adhered to and clearly stated from the outset. Is there a certain part of the statement that you could not comprehend?

Yes, you signed it, and said you signed it on behalf of the Emperor. The Emperor didn't sign it. For all we know, he didn't approve it. The idea that your only problem with Osiris' declaration of war was that the Chairman of the Council of Guardians didn't sign it is just a case of you moving the goalposts to try to save face. It was clear you were questioning whether he spoke for the Pharaoh, and that would have been the case had he signed it or not. Similarly, I'm questioning whether you speak for the Emperor, because the Emperor didn't sign this.

Where is the new Emperor these days anyway? He's been pretty quiet.

I can't possibly fathom why Lord of Darkness wouldn't want to participate in this forum.

[Pierconium]

Your attempt at a false equivalency fails from the first item you quoted. I actually signed the document in question, which was a main issue with the other post you are attempting to compare this with. Normal conventions of diplomatic correspondence were adhered to and clearly stated from the outset. Is there a certain part of the statement that you could not comprehend?

Yes, you signed it, and said you signed it on behalf of the Emperor. The Emperor didn't sign it. For all we know, he didn't approve it. The idea that your only problem with Osiris' declaration of war was that the Chairman of the Council of Guardians didn't sign it is just a case of you moving the goalposts to try to save face. It was clear you were questioning whether he spoke for the Pharaoh, and that would have been the case had he signed it or not. Similarly, I'm questioning whether you speak for the Emperor. Anyone, even a former Emperor who's past his prime, can say they signed it on his behalf.

Where is the new Emperor these days anyway? He's been pretty quiet.

No, you are incorrect, as usual. I was very clear in my queries, public and private, that the lack of a signature was the issue. You having a problem with it now is immaterial as the issue has long been resolved. I asked for clarification and was met with a vague halfassed response that could not verify the statement. Whether that was meant as a jest or a stalling tactic we will never actually know, but I accepted the answer once it came. Maybe you should learn how to let go and move on about things that don’t actually concern you? Just a thought.

If anyone in this community actually thinks that I would make a signed statement on behalf of the Emperor of the NPO under false pretences they obviously know very little about the history of the Pacific. Luckily for us, you will likely never have the opportunity to know what the inner structure of the Senate is like or the designation of workload. The Emperor is busy with internal restructuring and has had several direct private conversations with other heads of state. My delegation to making public statements on NSGP is a very minor part of what the Senate is currently undertaking.

But sure, keep trying to claim I don’t have the authority to speak for the NPO. That only shows your complete lack of a grasp on reality or wilful ignorance. Keep tilting...

[Cormactopia Prime]

But sure, keep trying to claim I don’t have the authority to speak for the NPO. That only shows your complete lack of a grasp on reality or wilful ignorance. Keep tilting...

I'm sure you do have authority to speak for the NPO, just as Mghnb had authority to speak for Osiris. I was just pointing out your hypocrisy.

In any event, re: the NPO's surrender -- I guess The Black Hawks were too much for the mighty NPO. As Feux was fond of saying: "Sad and weak."

[Pierconium]

But sure, keep trying to claim I don’t have the authority to speak for the NPO. That only shows your complete lack of a grasp on reality or wilful ignorance. Keep tilting...

I'm sure you do have authority to speak for the NPO, just as Mghnb had authority to speak for Osiris. I was just pointing out your hypocrisy.

In any event, re: the NPO's surrender -- I guess The Black Hawks were too much for the mighty NPO. As Feux was fond of saying: "Sad and weak."

Elmer, we both know who wins the hypocrisy game here, give it a rest. I asked for clarification because of (incorrect) information that I had been given and a clear answer was not forthcoming. It is not the same thing at all. You harping on it and saying it is so doesn’t change anything. You moaning about a lack of NSGP posting by the Emperor doesn’t mean he is inactive, it just means he has other things he is doing and I am here as his representative, which is how our government works. We do not answer to you and are not obligated to do things as you wish them done.

The realpolitik of the DoW was admittedly problematic and that is one of the reasons for the withdrawal.

[Kurnugia]

I'm sure you do have authority to speak for the NPO, just as Mghnb had authority to speak for Osiris. I was just pointing out your hypocrisy.

In any event, re: the NPO's surrender -- I guess The Black Hawks were too much for the mighty NPO. As Feux was fond of saying: "Sad and weak."

Elmer, we both know who wins the hypocrisy game here, give it a rest. I asked for clarification because of (incorrect) information that I had been given and a clear answer was not forthcoming. It is not the same thing at all. You harping on it and saying it is so doesn’t change anything. You moaning about a lack of NSGP posting by the Emperor doesn’t mean he is inactive, it just means he has other things he is doing and I am here as his representative, which is how our government works. We do not answer to you and are not obligated to do things as you wish them done.

The realpolitik of the DoW was admittedly problematic and that is one of the reasons for the withdrawal.

Because copy-pasting an official statement is just sooooo much work required

[Yokiria]

I'm sure you do have authority to speak for the NPO, just as Mghnb had authority to speak for Osiris. I was just pointing out your hypocrisy.

In any event, re: the NPO's surrender -- I guess The Black Hawks were too much for the mighty NPO. As Feux was fond of saying: "Sad and weak."

Elmer, we both know who wins the hypocrisy game here, give it a rest. I asked for clarification because of (incorrect) information that I had been given and a clear answer was not forthcoming. It is not the same thing at all. You harping on it and saying it is so doesn’t change anything. You moaning about a lack of NSGP posting by the Emperor doesn’t mean he is inactive, it just means he has other things he is doing and I am here as his representative, which is how our government works. We do not answer to you and are not obligated to do things as you wish them done.

The realpolitik of the DoW was admittedly problematic and that is one of the reasons for the withdrawal.

Cormac harping on it and saying it is the same thing doesn't make it the same thing. The reality of it being the same thing, however, means Cormac only needs to point it out. You say "moaning" about a lack of NSGP posting by the leader of your government is invalid because the leader of your government is otherwise preoccupied, and you are here as his representative, which is how the NPO government works.

That exactly mirrors how your "moaning" about a lack of NSGP posting by the leader of Osiris' government was invalid, because the leader of our government was otherwise preoccupied, and Mghnb was there as her representative, which is how Osiris' government works.

Who wins the hypocrisy game here again, Buzz?

[Arkadia Universalis]

If anyone in this community actually thinks that I would make a signed statement on behalf of the Emperor of the NPO under false pretences they obviously know very little about the history of the Pacific.

With all due respect - did you or did you not do *exactly* that to the CyberNations New Pacific Order? I suppose your statement still stands, since this was a different community and technically doesn’t concern the history of the NationStates region known as the Pacific. However, to say that this particular action is below you would be incorrect, wouldn’t it?

[Pierconium]

If anyone in this community actually thinks that I would make a signed statement on behalf of the Emperor of the NPO under false pretences they obviously know very little about the history of the Pacific.

With all due respect - did you or did you not do *exactly* that to the CyberNations New Pacific Order? I suppose your statement still stands, since this was a different community and technically doesn’t concern the history of the NationStates region known as the Pacific. However, to say that this particular action is below you would be incorrect, wouldn’t it?

No, that is not what happened at all. You are grossly mistaken and if you have taken the revisionist kool-aid on the topic so be it - but it does not change the facts of what occurred in that situation. I took over as rightful and legitimate Emperor and was myself couped. That has been verified multiple times. So no, just no.

Edit: Have you actually read that link? It states that I was Emperor when I made the official statements and that I was later couped. What are you even talking about? Reading comprehension...

[Pierconium]

Elmer, we both know who wins the hypocrisy game here, give it a rest. I asked for clarification because of (incorrect) information that I had been given and a clear answer was not forthcoming. It is not the same thing at all. You harping on it and saying it is so doesn’t change anything. You moaning about a lack of NSGP posting by the Emperor doesn’t mean he is inactive, it just means he has other things he is doing and I am here as his representative, which is how our government works. We do not answer to you and are not obligated to do things as you wish them done.

The realpolitik of the DoW was admittedly problematic and that is one of the reasons for the withdrawal.

Cormac harping on it and saying it is the same thing doesn't make it the same thing. The reality of it being the same thing, however, means Cormac only needs to point it out. You say "moaning" about a lack of NSGP posting by the leader of your government is invalid because the leader of your government is otherwise preoccupied, and you are here as his representative, which is how the NPO government works.

That exactly mirrors how your "moaning" about a lack of NSGP posting by the leader of Osiris' government was invalid, because the leader of our government was otherwise preoccupied, and Mghnb was there as her representative, which is how Osiris' government works.

Who wins the hypocrisy game here again, Buzz?

Again, no. I was told that the post might not be legitimate because it did not have a signature so I asked a question and was given a vague response. How is that the same as what has occurred here? Is there a signature? Yes. Have you or Cormac been told by a trustworthy source that I do not have the authority to make this statement? I’m going to say no. Did you after receiving this hypothetical information make a reasonable request for clarification that was met with a vague response? No. At no point did I comment on a lack of posts from the Osiris Delegate.

It isn’t the same thing. I’m not going to entertain that it is because it isn’t.

As far as Elmer is concerned, he knows I mean more than just this one item.

[Consular]

You could probably change your sig from Tyrant to Janitor at this point.