I stand by everything I said and am prepared to defend my position. Bring it on....or don't, because I honestly don't wish to spend much time arguing about the NPO with people who aren't going to have their minds changed about the NPO.
The Log and Winding Road wrote:Souls Today at 4:18 AM
Becuase, while I have to get to bed (exam in 5 hours), I know for a fact that most of what Perg has to say about his interactions Block, and much of what ED has had to say about TP and block, can be outright proven wrong.
And Cormac or someone might help before I’m back online
Milo Zoldyck Today at 4:18 AM
Then please do prove it wrong.
Spikes Today at 4:18 AM
We have
I have at least two forum posts on it Comment: Where? I'd genuinely like to read them. I would've asked then and there if I'd known I'd get really dragged into this. Forgive me if I don't read this entire forum, most of it is nonsense.
Milo ZoldyckToday at 4:18 AM
Make a thread in the GP forum.
SpikesToday at 4:18 AM
They’re in threads in GP At this point, it should be pretty obvious how aware of the situation I am. Which is to say ... not very. I invite someone to enlighten me in this thread. I invite Cormac or Souls specifically to do so.
Milo Zoldyck Today at 4:18 AM
Or, maybe even better yet, on the TP forum.So that it's seen.
SpikesToday at 4:19 AM
Pretty sure I’m not welcome there. We’re at war and all
Milo ZoldyckToday at 4:19 AM
Have you asked?
SpikesToday at 4:19 AM
If EF was concerned with the truth, he’d be spreading it and correcting it, not spreading lies that accept the absolute bare minimum of responsibility
ED*
SpikesToday at 4:20 AM
Lol
Milo ZoldyckToday at 4:20 AM
ED is not concerned with the truth. ED is concerned with the future. Comment: Is that a bad quote? In my opinion, no. I think LoD is concerned with ensuring that there isn't any future subversion ... not debating with the peanut gallery about a permanently banned member of The Pacific.
I suspect scrutinizing Pergamon's past actions doesn't matter to LoD, as Pergamon has no future in The Pacific. LoD is focused on the future. That's what I meant.]
YEET of CultureToday at 4:20 AM
ED....lol
Milo ZoldyckToday at 4:20 AM
At least, as I understand it. Which brings me back to my original point: That talk means nothing. Comment: Because it doesn't. You're not going to be happy either way.
SpikesToday at 4:20 AM
Well, thanks for confirming that ED isn’t being honest in his interactions, and just cares about The pacific recovering it’s position and relations and power. Comment: I said "the future," meaning "not subverting other GCR's." Souls took it as "recovering it's position and relations and power." He thinks I got caught slipping out something I didn't mean to say, but I meant exactly what I said. I did not mean what he says I said.
SpikesToday at 4:21 AM
“ED is not concerned with the truth. ED is concerned with the future.”
Milo ZoldyckToday at 4:21 AM
You extrapolated that entire sentiment. :shrug: That is not what I'm saying.
SpikesToday at 4:21 AM
Quotable
Milo ZoldyckToday at 4:21 AM
Well, yes.
SpikesToday at 4:21 AM
Goodnight now
Milo ZoldyckToday at 4:21 AM
The truth doesn't matter. I really believe that. Pergamon is no longer welcomed in The Pacific and will never be back. How do we know he won't be back? We don't.
That's what I mean by "the truth doesn't matter." It doesn't matter. If the truth is that Perg will never be back, no one will believe it. Everyone knows this same song and dance has happened before. I, if anyone, would know, because most of this war actually traces back to being my fault. If the truth is that he doesn't come back ... then it's a moot issue.
YEET of CultureToday at 4:21 AM
milo what region did u get cabal in
Milo ZoldyckToday at 4:21 AM
Because the truth is that the past was wrong. The future is a blank slate.
If you're going to quote me on that, @Spikes , I fully expect you to quote the entire thing. Or else you and I are gonna have a problem.
Which I would hate to see, because personally, I'm not involved the NPO-TBH War, and consider us lads. Don't drag my name through the mud by taking me out of context.
YEET of CultureToday at 4:22 AM
I mean its a bad quote to say Milo...
couldve worded better I'll be more careful next time. Now I know.
SpikesToday at 4:22 AM
What, you mean include the bit two lines up where you realize after I point it out how bad the soubdbyte looks and add a line to clean it up?
Lol
Milo ZoldyckToday at 4:22 AM
Yeah.
I do mean that.
SpikesToday at 4:23 AM
Pfft.
Milo ZoldyckToday at 4:23 AM
You know why? Because I'm just a regular player, chilling on Discord at 4:20am (Comment: FYI: Comrade Milograd smokes grass.), chatting with you about questions you're asking me.
I'm not a representative of The Pacific, I'm commentating and talking to you as a pal. And it'd be a dick move to hold me to the standard of an FA representative. You know full well that I express myself loosely on Discord. Comment: I overestimated his familiarity with me. He's a prominent player and I swear we've chatted over the years. I lurk in TBH's Discord and stop by to chat up Bri and co. For grouping Souls into that, I am completely at fault.
SpikesToday at 4:24 AM
You’re defending the pacific, as a former prominent member ;P no, you’re not an active official, but you’ve got an insider’s perspective
And you’re spending honestly Except for when I clarify my intention because you intend to use my words as propaganda, of course. Then my clarifications are lies.
At least somewhat so
Milo ZoldyckToday at 4:24 AM
If I had a formal obligation to speak for TP, I'd be a lot more thorough. Yes, and ultimately I don't think what I'm saying harms TP, because it's all true. ULTIMATELY I have been lazy in my wording because I am a lazy person and believed we were having a conversation where that was something I could do.
If you want to have a hardass conversation with me about TP, where I need to scrutinize every word I say to make sure it's not quotable, then I can do that too. :|
YEET of CultureToday at 4:25 AM
Milo you have to know how PR works by now...doesn't matter if you said it crossed as fuck...they're gonna use it Comment: I don't know who this guy is, but I'm leaving his comments in because they're demonstrative of the crap about GP that disappoints me, and that I'm currently attempting to rise above.
Milo ZoldyckToday at 4:25 AM
I'd like to believe Souls is better than that.
We've known each other for years. I was wrong
That's a basic assumption in how I communicate on here.
YEET of CultureToday at 4:26 AM
the fact that you didnt think it over and just went off the top of your head just shows its more true and open then it would be if planned out Comment: I'm still not sure who this guy is. And I'm a huge dick, so I'm not going to bother finding out. It's probably not worth it.
Milo ZoldyckToday at 4:26 AM
Nope.
SpikesToday at 4:26 AM
Yes. We should all know ED doesn’t care about being honest, and only cares about the future of the Pacific. It’s what people like Cormac and I have been trying to tell everyone. His sweet words are designed precisely to clean things up while admitting as little fault as possible. Some people are taking them as truth nonetheless. Your comments along the same lines as an “expert” on the matter may give some new consideration :wink:
Milo ZoldyckToday at 4:26 AM
I'm Milo. I do what the fuck I want.
And I'm just an ordinary citizen in TP, lol.
MalfToday at 4:26 AM
Souls is out for NPO blood so IDK
SpikesToday at 4:26 AM
>> We've known each other for years.
Now don’t place too much credit on “you got me into GP by booting my noob ass out of tsp years ago”
It’s not like we knew each other :stuck_out_tongue:
Milo ZoldyckToday at 4:27 AM
Don't be so self-centered. <<< Because I was wrong about us knowing each other, I look like a total tool for saying this, lol
"We've known each other for years" means I think you're a cool dude. Comment: It turns out I was wrong. We have not known each other for years. I've simply known of him and considered his accomplishments, track record, and conduct to be "cool."
Also, AMA about why the NPO War is my fault, and why y'all should just give LoD a chance to turn things around. I'll answer every question with absolute thoroughness and careful thought. Unlike what I was doing in Discord with Souls.
After this thread, I'm going back to RP.
Yes, this AMA doubles as a shameless plug for the fact that I'm restarting Azhukali. Come through.