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by Western Vale Confederacy » Fri Dec 07, 2018 2:02 am
by Hrythingia » Fri Dec 07, 2018 11:44 am
The National Salvation Front for Russia wrote:Gotta say, I respect people spending their free time to learn old languages, keeping them alive.
How hard is it to learn Old English?
Valentine Z wrote:The National Salvation Front for Russia wrote:Gotta say, I respect people spending their free time to learn old languages, keeping them alive.
How hard is it to learn Old English?
Adding to what I said with my puppet nation, I'll say that it's pretty difficult, but mostly because the sources are lacking.
Unlike Latin, you don't see Old English being used in any subject or topic, save from history of linguistics classes. Latin had the pleasure of being in legal terms and whatnot, while Old English doesn't have that privilege.
Most likely you have to be self-taught with a book or two, because AFAIK there are no online courses, and the amount of people proficient enough to teach it are a rare one.
by Lyrical International Brigade » Fri Dec 07, 2018 12:03 pm
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by Auze » Fri Dec 07, 2018 7:05 pm
by Xmara » Fri Dec 07, 2018 7:15 pm
by Duhon » Fri Dec 07, 2018 7:19 pm
Western Vale Confederacy wrote:English speakers attempting to learn Old English is like me attempting to learn Old Spanish or Mozarabic.
by LiberNovusAmericae » Sat Dec 08, 2018 10:45 pm
Mardla wrote:Rojava Free State wrote:Why is it called old english? i can understand middle english but this doesnt look english at all. It looks like some bizarre hybrid of German and Welsh.
It is very much Old English (I actually just started learning it this earlier week). The spelling is funny, but it's actually not as different as it looks from Middle English. The main stumbling block is that there a lot more word forms, because that's how grammar works in Old English. The letter þ is "th" as in loath, and ð is th as in "loathe". "Sc" is pronounced like "sh" (for example, "scip"), although otherwise "c" is pronounced like "k" or German "c" (as is "h" in some contexts). "Girnan" for example means "desire", and that might look funny, but "g" before "i" is typically pronounced "y", so you read it aloud and suddenly you see the connection. Although there are obsolete words used, for example in the above Lord's Prayer, kingdom is "rice" (pronounced ree-keh), which is obviously nearer to "reich" than current use of "kingdom", although "kingdom" itself also comes from Old English ("cyningdom").
It's a pretty language, I'm enjoying learning it.
by El-Amin Caliphate » Sat Dec 08, 2018 10:47 pm
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by Western Vale Confederacy » Sat Dec 08, 2018 10:50 pm
Duhon wrote:Western Vale Confederacy wrote:English speakers attempting to learn Old English is like me attempting to learn Old Spanish or Mozarabic.
As someone who's been engaged in building fictional protolanguages based on Proto-Indo-European for the last six months or so, I understand the appeal completely.
by El-Amin Caliphate » Sat Dec 08, 2018 10:52 pm
Western Vale Confederacy wrote:Duhon wrote:
As someone who's been engaged in building fictional protolanguages based on Proto-Indo-European for the last six months or so, I understand the appeal completely.
Mozarabic is bloody bull though.
You can clearly see and hear the Latin/Romance in it, but it's polluted by so much Arabic loanwords.
https://americanvision.org/948/theonomy-vs-theocracy/ wrote:God’s law cannot govern a nation where God’s law does not rule in the hearts of the people
Plaetopia wrote:Partly Free / Hybrid regime (score 4-6) El-Amin Caliphate (5.33)
by Technocratic Uganda » Sat Dec 08, 2018 11:13 pm
by Hrythingia » Sun Dec 09, 2018 8:40 am
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Mardla wrote:
It is very much Old English (I actually just started learning it this earlier week). The spelling is funny, but it's actually not as different as it looks from Middle English. The main stumbling block is that there a lot more word forms, because that's how grammar works in Old English. The letter þ is "th" as in loath, and ð is th as in "loathe". "Sc" is pronounced like "sh" (for example, "scip"), although otherwise "c" is pronounced like "k" or German "c" (as is "h" in some contexts). "Girnan" for example means "desire", and that might look funny, but "g" before "i" is typically pronounced "y", so you read it aloud and suddenly you see the connection. Although there are obsolete words used, for example in the above Lord's Prayer, kingdom is "rice" (pronounced ree-keh), which is obviously nearer to "reich" than current use of "kingdom", although "kingdom" itself also comes from Old English ("cyningdom").
It's a pretty language, I'm enjoying learning it.
What resources do you use to learn it? I'm asking this because my college doesn't offer old English as a course.
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:If we're bringing Old English back we should bring the runes back as well.
Technocratic Uganda wrote:Doesn't Old English have grammatical case? How much of a pain is that?
by Treadwellia » Sun Dec 09, 2018 8:53 am
by Crylante » Sun Dec 09, 2018 1:48 pm
by Aellex » Sun Dec 09, 2018 1:54 pm
by The Blaatschapen » Sun Dec 09, 2018 2:30 pm
Hrythingia wrote:LiberNovusAmericae wrote:What resources do you use to learn it? I'm asking this because my college doesn't offer old English as a course.
I provided some resources in the OP but feel free to wang me over a telegram for more detailed help.El-Amin Caliphate wrote:If we're bringing Old English back we should bring the runes back as well.
I didn't say anything about bringing it back as a vernacular ha ha, we are well over that waterfall. Also Old English was rarely written in Futhorc Runic as the only literates with few exceptions were monks and they preferred the Roman Alphabet.Technocratic Uganda wrote:Doesn't Old English have grammatical case? How much of a pain is that?
Many many languages have grammatical cases and in fact this makes the language easier to deal with since you can place a lot of information inside a word and thus sentences can be treated like a simple equation rather than relying on word order alone which is highly restrictive for verse composition. Or even prose for that matter.
The word for wood: ƿudu declines like so as a noun:
singular -plural
Nominative -ƿudu -ƿuda
Accusative -ƿudu -ƿuda
Genitive -ƿuda -ƿuda
Dative -ƿuda -ƿudum
Verbs are fairly straight foward, they have a tense and a person though unlike in Latin the person is often expressed seperately.
by Hurdergaryp » Sun Dec 09, 2018 2:38 pm
Aellex wrote:We really did a charitable act when we removed that abomination and replaced it by one of our patois.
Three cheers for Guillaume le Bâtard, I guess ?
by Hrythingia » Sun Dec 09, 2018 2:58 pm
Crylante wrote:How do you express future in Old English? Only I know the verbs only conjugate for past and present, and I'm not sure if all the extra grammatical words we use for tenses in Modern English were used back then.
Aellex wrote:We really did a charitable act when we removed that abomination and replaced it by one of our patois.
Three cheers for Guillaume le Bâtard, I guess ?
by Trollzyn the Infinite » Sun Dec 09, 2018 3:12 pm
Aellex wrote:We really did a charitable act when we removed that abomination and replaced it by one of our patois.
Three cheers for Guillaume le Bâtard, I guess ?
by Hrythingia » Sun Dec 09, 2018 3:15 pm
by Aellex » Sun Dec 09, 2018 3:21 pm
by Trollzyn the Infinite » Sun Dec 09, 2018 3:25 pm
by Aellex » Sun Dec 09, 2018 3:30 pm
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:French is a horrible language. It's disgustingly flamboyant; bringing shame to it's fellow Romance languages.
by Hrythingia » Sun Dec 09, 2018 3:31 pm
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:Hrythingia wrote:To be fair that would likely have sealed England’s fate to be a Scandi nation in perpetuum.
Nah. Hardrada was, like, in his 70s by then. Plus, England's history with Vikings would probably have been enough to drive a major revolt against the Norwegian Yoke.Aellex wrote:Shush, better for English to have become !notFrançais rather than !notNorwegian, old English was doomed to go anyway.
French is a horrible language. It's disgustingly flamboyant; bringing shame to it's fellow Romance languages.
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