ICE attempts to deport American born citizen

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Citizenship is a right and we should not deport people beacuse "you are no longer being productive".

Because the ruling party gets to decide what is and isn't productive. This can turn into tyranny very fast.

I disagree with your idea very much.

By that logic we shouldn't have any punishments at all.

What?

How is having citizenship be a right not allowing any punishments at all?

I do not understand.

[Duhon]

Why are people acting like this is a new thing. American citizens getting deported by our immigration system has been happening for almost 2 decades at least.

It's not a Trump thing, it's just an incompetent government thing. This is what happens when you have 57 immigration courts in a nation of 320 million with over 10 million illegal immigrants, a back log of 500,000 cases and judges who can get fired for not meeting quota.

Trump going all gung-ho on expelling all the young strong bad hombres hardly helps matters.

[Telconi]

By that logic we shouldn't have any punishments at all.

What?

How is having citizenship be a right not allowing any punishments at all?

I do not understand.

Punishments are literally the deprivation of rights. There are no criminal punishments that don't violate a right someone otherwise holds.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

What?

How is having citizenship be a right not allowing any punishments at all?

I do not understand.

Punishments are literally the deprivation of rights. There are no criminal punishments that don't violate a right someone otherwise holds.

Yes. But a prisoner who is also a United States citizen still counts as a United States citizen.

They just have all there other rights removed except for that one.

[Telconi]

Punishments are literally the deprivation of rights. There are no criminal punishments that don't violate a right someone otherwise holds.

Yes. But a prisoner who is also a United States citizen still counts as a United States citizen.

They just have all there other rights removed except for that one.

And a stateless person isn't in a jail cell. They still have all their rights, except for that one.

[Vassenor]

What?

How is having citizenship be a right not allowing any punishments at all?

I do not understand.

Punishments are literally the deprivation of rights. There are no criminal punishments that don't violate a right someone otherwise holds.

Well if you're fine with depriving someone of citizenship rights for a crime committed then I guess depriving them of their right to bear arms for the same is OK too.

[Dogmeat]

Punishments are literally the deprivation of rights. There are no criminal punishments that don't violate a right someone otherwise holds.

Yes. But a prisoner who is also a United States citizen still counts as a United States citizen.

They just have all there other rights removed except for that one.

And as a prisoner of the United States, you still have certain rights. Light the right against cruel and unusual punishment.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Yes. But a prisoner who is also a United States citizen still counts as a United States citizen.

They just have all there other rights removed except for that one.

And a stateless person isn't in a jail cell. They still have all their rights, except for that one.

And that means we should deport US citizens and make them become stateless beacuse?

[Telconi]

Punishments are literally the deprivation of rights. There are no criminal punishments that don't violate a right someone otherwise holds.

Well if you're fine with depriving someone of citizenship rights for a crime committed then I guess depriving them of their right to bear arms for the same is OK too.

Okay, and?

[Telconi]

And a stateless person isn't in a jail cell. They still have all their rights, except for that one.

And that means we should deport US citizens and make them become stateless beacuse?

It doesn't.

[South Ccanda]

What?

How is having citizenship be a right not allowing any punishments at all?

I do not understand.

Punishments are literally the deprivation of rights. There are no criminal punishments that don't violate a right someone otherwise holds.

Civil rights and unalienable rights are very different things.

[Holy Tedalonia]

Punishments are literally the deprivation of rights. There are no criminal punishments that don't violate a right someone otherwise holds.

Well if you're fine with depriving someone of citizenship rights for a crime committed then I guess depriving them of their right to bear arms for the same is OK too.

I don’t recall any right that protects them from being thrown into jail. Note that jail, ain’t prison. Jail holds a individual until a certain point, then they get tried in court, moved to a prison, or deported. Jail is hardly the issue, and there isn’t a right against deportation either, last time I checked. I don’t think the guy should’ve been deported, but I think its silly to say it deprives ones rights.

[Utceforp]

The person in question looks foreign enough, so ICE should get no blame in trying to deport him. I'd agree to a settlement though. The purpose of a lawsuit is to get compensation for damages. Its not to get rich or to be able to live in the lap of luxury or any of that nonsense, even though this is sometimes the new effect of certain cases.

This man should perhaps get up to $100,000 at most. A few years' worth of wages that his previous job would've gotten him. Enough to give him plenty of time to find a new job but not enough to retire on the spot.

God, you're a dedicated troll.

[Telconi]

Punishments are literally the deprivation of rights. There are no criminal punishments that don't violate a right someone otherwise holds.

Civil rights and unalienable rights are very different things.

Sure, but I would presume 'unalienable' rights would be the more sacrosanct ones, and yet those are the ones often violated by criminal punishment.

[Bear Stearns]

When Brown tried to tell officers he was born in Philadelphia, one guard sang to him the theme of the 1990s sitcom "The Fresh Prince of Bel Air," where actor Will Smith raps about being "born and raised" in West Philadelphia.

That is actually hilarious.


Also as for the rest of it, sucks for this guy to have his identity mistaken. ICE should do better diligence.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

And that means we should deport US citizens and make them become stateless beacuse?

It doesn't.

Ok?

Well, seeing how prisoners are counted by the sensus,most people in an american prison are citizens of the US and, zed prisoners did not lose there citizenship at any time during there imprisonment, prisoners are citizens.

Just citizens that went thru the process of a fair trial and had every other right revoked excpt there citizenship right.

As the US is a member of the UN, they have a duty to not add to stateless person population.

The US should not and can not thankfully deport US citizens.

Despite this recent ICE mistake.

[South Ccanda]

Civil rights and unalienable rights are very different things.

Sure, but I would presume 'unalienable' rights would be the more sacrosanct ones, and yet those are the ones often violated by criminal punishment.

Okay, so lets play devils advocate. where should we send them> Venezuela? Russia? How about North Korea?

[Telconi]

It doesn't.

Ok?

Well, seeing how prisoners are counted by the sensus,most people in an american prison are citizens of the US and, zed prisoners did not lose there citizenship at any time during there imprisonment, prisoners are citizens.

Just citizens that went thru the process of a fair trial and had every other right revoked excpt there citizenship right.

As the US is a member of the UN, they have a duty to not add to stateless person population.

The US should not and can not thankfully deport US citizens.

Despite this recent ICE mistake.

Yes, I know how prison works.

The operative point is that deportation and revokation of citizenship, what is functionally modern day exile, is no more a violation of one's rights, or potentially abused, than any other punishment we have.

[Holy Tedalonia]

Ok?

Well, seeing how prisoners are counted by the sensus,most people in an american prison are citizens of the US and, zed prisoners did not lose there citizenship at any time during there imprisonment, prisoners are citizens.

Just citizens that went thru the process of a fair trial and had every other right revoked excpt there citizenship right.

As the US is a member of the UN, they have a duty to not add to stateless person population.

The US should not and can not thankfully deport US citizens.

Despite this recent ICE mistake.

Yes, I know how prison works.

The operative point is that deportation and revokation of citizenship, what is functionally modern day exile, is no more a violation of one's rights, or potentially abused, than any other punishment we have.

Even then, don’t you think its a tad excessive, not to mention exspensive to deport someone who is hardly worth it? I think its better spent on deporting illegal immigrants and those who dare break the law via nation border and etc.

[Telconi]

Yes, I know how prison works.

The operative point is that deportation and revokation of citizenship, what is functionally modern day exile, is no more a violation of one's rights, or potentially abused, than any other punishment we have.

Even then, don’t you think its a tad excessive, not to mention exspensive to deport someone who is hardly worth it? I think its better spent on deporting illegal immigrants and those who dare break the law via nation border and etc.

I think deportation is a pretty rediculous punishment, but I just think people who pretend it's categorically worse than other punishments we utilize are equally rediculous. I mean, we literally put people in cement boxes until they die. Shit, this country killed a man by passing electricity through his body just yesterday.

[Thermodolia]

Citizenship is a right and we should not deport people beacuse "you are no longer being productive".

Because the ruling party gets to decide what is and isn't productive. This can turn into tyranny very fast.

I disagree with your idea very much.

If it was up to Trump, he would deport that 60% of Americans who disapprove of him and retain only his loyal fanbase and a few undecided people, turning America into the Beverely Hillbillies and making America a 5th world country

You mean rich people with loads of money that don’t fit in? Because that’s what Beverley Hillbillies is about

[Purgatio]

Well, not under current law, no. I agree. Under current US law, the US isn't allowed to make its own citizens Stateless. But it should. If society is better off without a parasitic individual in its borders sucking up limited resources and contributing to public nuisances and menacing our communities, we should be able to eject him. We need to move away from this notion that citizenship within a community is a right, it's not. The community should be able to eject you when you're no longer being productive.

hell, why deport the pot smoker when we can just kill them? deportation costs hundreds of dollars, but a 9mm bullet is just 15 cents a round!

Completely agree, glad someone sees what's important.

Unless you're being sarcastic.

[Holy Tedalonia]

hell, why deport the pot smoker when we can just kill them? deportation costs hundreds of dollars, but a 9mm bullet is just 15 cents a round!

Completely agree, glad someone sees what's important.

Unless you're being sarcastic.

Are you perhaps, from the Philippines....? I’m pretty sure you would support the Philippine President for his, “this will be your last Christmas, drugged peeps,” talk...

[Purgatio]

Completely agree, glad someone sees what's important.

Unless you're being sarcastic.

Are you perhaps, from the Philippines....?

Singapore, as I've mentioned above.

I don't agree with what's happening in the Philippines because extra-judicial death squads have no regulations and have a high propensity to kill perfectly innocent people. I don't have an issue with an institutionalised justice system, with checks and balances, making liberal use of the death penalty against drug criminals convicted in a court of law beyond a reasonable doubt. Let's not conflate the two.

[Holy Tedalonia]

Are you perhaps, from the Philippines....?

Singapore, as I've mentioned above.

I don't agree with what's happening in the Philippines because extra-judicial death squads have no regulations and have a high propensity to kill perfectly innocent people. I don't have an issue with an institutionalised justice system, with checks and balances, making liberal use of the death penalty against drug criminals convicted in a court of law beyond a reasonable doubt. Let's not conflate the two.

*shrugs*

Fair enough, although I rather hope that more youthful and more naive individuals don’t get the executed