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by New Mivango » Mon Dec 03, 2018 8:55 pm
by Napkiraly » Mon Dec 03, 2018 8:56 pm
New Mivango wrote:All of this still fails to address one of the true root causes of the sexual harassment litigation madness: prudishness. If we stopped teaching people from a young age that sex was dirty and should only be engaged in during relationships, society would be far more easygoing about sexual innuendo, risque humor, etc. Prudishness needs to be weeded out, root and stem, lest we continue to have an only slightly more liberal brand of Puritans (they might accept LGBTQ, for instance, but God forbid you have an extramarital affair!).
by Galloism » Mon Dec 03, 2018 8:57 pm
Liriena wrote: Did the lot of you collectively decide that a sizeable portion of all women are deceitful vipers out to ruin you?
by Napkiraly » Mon Dec 03, 2018 8:57 pm
Probably because it's the English speaking world that is bearing the full brunt of it.Liriena wrote:Napkiraly wrote:Why point out only English speaking guys? Sounds awfully bigoted and prejudiced.
Because, anecdotally speaking, I've only seen the same attitude in a very small and specific subset of Spanish-speaking men. Namely, middle-aged to boomer-aged chauvinists whose concern is transparently due to them finding their own past behavior questionable in hindsight. Whereas it looks to me (again, anecdotally) like English-speaking men's concerns over #MeToo "going too far" aren't limited to a narrow demographic.
by Senkaku » Mon Dec 03, 2018 8:58 pm
Liriena wrote:Napkiraly wrote:Why point out only English speaking guys? Sounds awfully bigoted and prejudiced.
Because, anecdotally speaking, I've only seen the same attitude in a very small and specific subset of Spanish-speaking men. Namely, middle-aged to boomer-aged chauvinists whose concern is transparently due to them finding their own past behavior questionable in hindsight. Whereas it looks to me (again, anecdotally) like English-speaking men's concerns over #MeToo "going too far" aren't limited to a narrow demographic.
by New Mivango » Mon Dec 03, 2018 8:58 pm
Napkiraly wrote:New Mivango wrote:All of this still fails to address one of the true root causes of the sexual harassment litigation madness: prudishness. If we stopped teaching people from a young age that sex was dirty and should only be engaged in during relationships, society would be far more easygoing about sexual innuendo, risque humor, etc. Prudishness needs to be weeded out, root and stem, lest we continue to have an only slightly more liberal brand of Puritans (they might accept LGBTQ, for instance, but God forbid you have an extramarital affair!).
Extramarital affairs are bad, so I mean yeah that should be something that isn't accepted.
by New Mivango » Mon Dec 03, 2018 8:58 pm
Senkaku wrote:Liriena wrote:Because, anecdotally speaking, I've only seen the same attitude in a very small and specific subset of Spanish-speaking men. Namely, middle-aged to boomer-aged chauvinists whose concern is transparently due to them finding their own past behavior questionable in hindsight. Whereas it looks to me (again, anecdotally) like English-speaking men's concerns over #MeToo "going too far" aren't limited to a narrow demographic.
I mean, Spanish-speaking men also kinda created the term "machismo", so let's not give them too many props for being so woke.
by New haven america » Mon Dec 03, 2018 9:00 pm
Liriena wrote:Napkiraly wrote:Why point out only English speaking guys? Sounds awfully bigoted and prejudiced.
Because, anecdotally speaking, I've only seen the same attitude in a very small and specific subset of Spanish-speaking men. Namely, middle-aged to boomer-aged chauvinists whose concern is transparently due to them finding their own past behavior questionable in hindsight. Whereas it looks to me (again, anecdotally) like English-speaking men's concerns over #MeToo "going too far" aren't limited to a narrow demographic.
by New Mivango » Mon Dec 03, 2018 9:01 pm
by Galloism » Mon Dec 03, 2018 9:01 pm
Liriena wrote:Galloism wrote:Well, keep in mind, that every time there's a mass scandal of some kind, opportunists who lie join in on the coattails of it.
With Kavanaugh, there was Swetnick, who has now been referred for federal charges for making false statements. Hell, with Weinstein, Ms Evans attempted to recruit another woman to lie to police about having told her about the alleged rape, but the woman instead told police that Evans confided in her that she had never been raped and wanted her to perjure herself to support her testimony. With Argento, she accused the boy she statutorily raped of rape to try and deflect her blame.
Every story comes with a hanger-on of someone making shit up.
I couldn't tell you what the statistics are in public cases like this, nor false accusations in a noncriminal context (IE, employment), but when every story comes with one or more hanger-ons that are proven, to a clear and convincing evidence standard, of intentionally lying in order to harm the man, what are men to think?
I'd think that the reasonable thought in the face of all that wouldn't be "avoid socializing with the entire female gender", much in the same way my reaction to straight male homophobia isn't "avoid socializing with the entirety of straight men".
by New haven america » Mon Dec 03, 2018 9:03 pm
by New Mivango » Mon Dec 03, 2018 9:05 pm
by New Mivango » Mon Dec 03, 2018 9:07 pm
by Western Vale Confederacy » Mon Dec 03, 2018 9:07 pm
by Napkiraly » Mon Dec 03, 2018 9:09 pm
by Costa Fierro » Mon Dec 03, 2018 9:10 pm
Liriena wrote:...okay, what the fuck's going on with English-speaking straight dudes?
I have a bunch of female friends and acquaintances, most of them straight, and I am not the least bit worried about being accused of improper behavior in private.
So... what the fuck? Did the lot of you collectively decide that a sizeable portion of all women are deceitful vipers out to ruin you?
I know it's a bit naïve to assume everyone you meet is a good, honest person, but this phenomenon of English-speaking men increasingly being paranoid around women looks, from an outsider's perspective, like it borders on mass delusion and it kind of smells like a sort of weird misogyny.
by New Mivango » Mon Dec 03, 2018 9:10 pm
by Western Vale Confederacy » Mon Dec 03, 2018 9:11 pm
Napkiraly wrote:Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Just because humans are much more predisposed to monogamy, it doesn't mean we have to persecute those who aren't.
Live and let live, goddamnit.
Live and let live is a terrible basis for a moral system. It is prone to decay and then eventually catastrophic dissolution. All systems are based upon moral systems that need to be upheld which inevitably requires the willing utilization of oppression in order to maintain it. Be it social, monetary, or even legal oppression.
by New Mivango » Mon Dec 03, 2018 9:12 pm
Napkiraly wrote:Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Just because humans are much more predisposed to monogamy, it doesn't mean we have to persecute those who aren't.
Live and let live, goddamnit.
Live and let live is a terrible basis for a moral system. It is prone to decay and then eventually catastrophic dissolution. All systems are based upon moral systems that need to be upheld which inevitably requires the willing utilization of oppression in order to maintain it. Be it social, monetary, or even legal oppression.
by Galloism » Mon Dec 03, 2018 9:13 pm
New Mivango wrote:Napkiraly wrote:Live and let live is a terrible basis for a moral system. It is prone to decay and then eventually catastrophic dissolution. All systems are based upon moral systems that need to be upheld which inevitably requires the willing utilization of oppression in order to maintain it. Be it social, monetary, or even legal oppression.
Pet theories aside, there is no real basis to believe that dropping the Christian moral ethic is in any way calamitous. In fact, one could argue that Christianity and its slave morality helped wreck the Roman Empire.
by Napkiraly » Mon Dec 03, 2018 9:13 pm
Western Vale Confederacy wrote:Napkiraly wrote:Live and let live is a terrible basis for a moral system. It is prone to decay and then eventually catastrophic dissolution. All systems are based upon moral systems that need to be upheld which inevitably requires the willing utilization of oppression in order to maintain it. Be it social, monetary, or even legal oppression.
You forgot the word "degenerate" in that little buzzword-filled rant of yours, my friend.
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