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Postby The Miniluv Messenger » Sat Nov 24, 2018 5:29 pm

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The Same Old Pacific Order, Part 2: A Summary of Events So Far


A remarkable deluge of leaks related to subversive activity has left the New Pacific Order reeling and may change the course of gameplay.

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FRANCOGRAD - A flood of leaks has exposed numerous subversive activities by the New Pacific Order (NPO) and NPO members, putting the highest officials of the NPO on their heels. This massive failure of the NPO's operational security followed The Black Hawks' recent intervention in the region St Abbaddon, a "protectorate" of the NPO, which, according to The Black Hawks and their allies, ultimately aimed to restore full native sovereignty over the region. Following that intervention, which failed due to the return of St Abbaddon Delegate Kitsco just minutes before the region would have updated, the NPO declared war against The Black Hawks. What followed, however, was an informational war against the NPO waged by individuals through leaks of the NPO's subversive activities. This breach of the NPO's operational security has exposed NPO efforts to conceal the identity of an individual blacklisted from most major gameplay regions, infiltration and subversion against fellow GCRs by high level or formerly high level NPO members, and a coordinated NPO subversion operation against the Celestial Union of Lazarus that included Emperor Aleisyr himself.

First came the revelation that Emperor Aleisyr, Consul Pergamon, and Senator Feux, as well as NPO member A mean old man (AMOM), knew that King Bradley was an alternate persona of the blacklisted individual Saint Block. It has been revealed that the NPO became aware of Saint Block's identity approximately one month before his identity was independently discovered and exposed via an off-site administrative investigation without the NPO's assistance. The NPO nonetheless concealed Saint Block's identity, and instead sought to use Saint Block's alternate persona as an intelligence asset. Even after he was exposed, Feux and AMOM attempted to recruit Saint Block and his region, Amestris, to support NPO efforts against The Black Hawks in St Abbaddon. Remarkably, this effort by the NPO to conceal Saint Block's alternate persona and to use him as an intelligence and military asset was exposed by Saint Block himself.

Next came revelations, again exposed by Saint Block, that Feux and AMOM had infiltrated Lazarus, Osiris, and the Rahl family under the alternate personas known as Adytus and Wrektopia. They were aided in this infiltration by Stujenske ("Kowassati"), who once again briefly became Delegate of Lazarus, and a personal friend of AMOM ("Weast Jurmany"). During this prolonged infiltration, Feux and his associates were placed in positions of extraordinary power and access in both Lazarus and Osiris, as well as being trusted by the Rahl family, which has included prominent members of Osiris, the West Pacific, and The East Pacific, among other regions. Since being exposed, AMOM has subsequently boasted that at one point the infiltrators were the only Guardians of Osiris, responsible for assisting the Pharaoh in overseeing gameside regional security. While infiltrating Osiris, Feux, acting as Adytus, engaged in a conversation with Neo Kervoskia about subversion against the South Pacific that would later reach the South Pacific and poison relations between the two regions.

Later, in Lazarus, Feux, having already made a name for himself there for quite some time as Adytus, attempted to seize the Delegacy during the "LazAnarchy" phase after the Wolfist Lazarus regime fell. Feux's attempt to seize Lazarus' Delegacy as Adytus was being undertaken even while the NPO was supposedly cooperating with the peacekeeping effort to support Imkiville help her establish a Council of Natives to govern the region through the constitutional convention. Although the NPO denies knowing of Feux's alternate persona until April of 2018, it has been revealed that by the time peacekeeping planning was underway, the NPO was aware of Feux's identity as Adytus. The NPO nonetheless declined to reveal Feux's alternate persona to Imki or the other peacekeepers even while he continued his attempt to take the Delegacy of Lazarus. Feux was even briefly on the peacekeeping server under his main persona, and was considered for a position on the Council of Natives, without the NPO ever disclosing his Adytus persona.

The NPO's denial of knowledge in regard to the alternate personas of their members has been undermined by new revelations of Task Force Lazarus, an NPO effort to manipulate and subvert the Celestial Union of Lazarus in 2017. That effort was led by Consul Pergamon, with the oversight of Emperor Aleisyr himself and, later, former Emperor Pierconium. Task Force Lazarus was revealed by dozens of pages worth of logs exclusively obtained by The Miniluv Messenger from an anonymous third party. The revelation of Task Force Lazarus contradicts an official statement made by the NPO, in which the NPO asserts that individuals within the NPO were responsible for subversive activities in Lazarus without the official approval of the NPO. This contradiction calls into question the current denials that the NPO was aware of its members' alternate personas, as well as past attempts to invoke plausible deniability to excuse the transgressions of high level NPO officials who were said to be acting as individuals.

Following the St Abbaddon conflict and the revelation of these leaks, the NPO finds itself at war with The Black Hawks, the Republic of Europeia, and Hartfelden, and finds itself on the brink of potential war with the Osiris Fraternal Order. It's impossible to predict at the time of this writing how the revelation of Task Force Lazarus may further impact this already volatile interregional conflict. The Miniluv Messenger will endeavor to bring you more as this combustible situation unfolds.
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Postby McChimp » Sat Nov 24, 2018 5:32 pm

Could somebody give me a tl;dr pls?
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Postby Cosmopolitan borovan » Sat Nov 24, 2018 5:33 pm

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Postby Marilyn Manson Freaks » Sat Nov 24, 2018 5:37 pm

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Postby Apple-Loosa » Sat Nov 24, 2018 5:39 pm

This seems rather delightful. Thanks for informing the rest of NSGP.
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Postby Roavin » Sat Nov 24, 2018 5:40 pm

Huh. I'm ... whelmed. Not overwhelmed, not underwhelmed.

But yeah, we don't even have to guess who the source is. It's absolutely Ark. :P
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Postby Ever-Wandering Souls » Sat Nov 24, 2018 5:52 pm

Ivan and Ale have lost any chance at plausible deniability ever again, and must also face the music for their past treachery - along with their subordinates.

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Postby Killer Kitty » Sat Nov 24, 2018 6:00 pm

So Funk, Lamb, and I were correct when we assessed that someone was trying to coup Lazarus in 2017, our actions were vindicated, and NPO was basically the cause of the entire Lazarus Civil War?

Another victory for the Khanate!

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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Sat Nov 24, 2018 6:06 pm

Well, that wasn't very nice.
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Postby Frattastan IV » Sat Nov 24, 2018 6:26 pm

McChimp wrote:Could somebody give me a tl;dr pls?


NPO kept 94 Block's alt-identity hidden to the rest of the world in the hope he could be a useful asset.
NPO affiliates Feux and AMOM infiltrated Osiris, Lazarus, and the Rahl family.
NPO worked to precipitate the 2017 coup of Lazarus in the hope it would turn in their favour.
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Postby Galiantus III » Sat Nov 24, 2018 6:27 pm

Killer Kitty wrote:So Funk, Lamb, and I were correct when we assessed that someone was trying to coup Lazarus in 2017, our actions were vindicated, and NPO was basically the cause of the entire Lazarus Civil War?

Another victory for the Khanate!


Well, not exactly like that... the NPO played both sides (and LWU, for that matter) in an elaborate attempt to conquer Lazarus. They made us enemies, played us against each other. At one point I seem to remember hurling insults at you. But it turns out both sides thought they were justified because of the stream of lies being fed to them by the NPO. It turns out you and I were never enemies, and I wish to apologize to you for anything hurtful I might have said to you, Funkadelia, or any other member of the Undead Dominion/Khanate in the past year or more as Lazarus has weathered this storm concocted by the NPO.

:hug:

I sincerely believe, based on what I am reading here, that Lazarus would have been subjected to NPO imperialism by now if Imkiville had not seized the region when she did. Many of us at the time would have readily backed NPO action against the Khanate, and would have blissfully believed we were doing the region a favor in doing so, when in reality, they were manipulating raiders, defenders, and GCR governments precisely for this end.
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Postby Skadifron » Sat Nov 24, 2018 6:30 pm

Speaking as a senior member of the ex-Resistance who has called, currently calls, and will call Lazarus my home, I for one am very much appalled, but not particularly shocked. The Resistance's logs/Discord server should still be publicly available, so I'd urge everyone to (re)visit that - it really reveals the level to which we were duped. The idea that we were going to manipulate Funk to coup Lazarus until the inevitable cavalry of Defenderdom and the NPO would arrive (of course half of them never did) and save Lazarus was an idea Ark completely sold us on - completely. It's all there in the logs.

Also, speaking as a Gameplayer/on-and-off Defender/general observer, what I find especially interesting (and concerning) is Pergamon's kind of interactions with and references to then-senior Defenders and TSPers Nakari and Roavin, respectively. As the recent logs reveal, more people than just the OFO and the CUL got duped and manipulated, sometimes consciously and sometimes unconsciously, and that can't be ignored. NPO isn't just an Osiris problem or a Lazarus problem or a St. Abby problem; it's a problem to which ALL sides and alignments need to be conscious and vigilant of, as can be evidenced by the sheer level to which the aforementioned high-level Defenders were either involved with the NPO or (as far as Pergamon knows) duped by the NPO.

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Postby Indo-Malaysia » Sat Nov 24, 2018 6:32 pm

Hold on- so NPO was influencing both LWU and the Lazarenes Resistance..?
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Postby Ever-Wandering Souls » Sat Nov 24, 2018 6:35 pm

Frattastan IV wrote:
McChimp wrote:Could somebody give me a tl;dr pls?


NPO kept 94 Block's alt-identity hidden to the rest of the world in the hope he could be a useful asset.
NPO affiliates Feux and AMOM infiltrated Osiris, Lazarus, and the Rahl family.
NPO worked to precipitate the 2017 coup of Lazarus in the hope it would turn in their favour.


and also Attero's "Comrade Sarah" ideneity.
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Postby Vetelo » Sat Nov 24, 2018 6:38 pm

Ever-Wandering Souls wrote:
Frattastan IV wrote:
NPO kept 94 Block's alt-identity hidden to the rest of the world in the hope he could be a useful asset.
NPO affiliates Feux and AMOM infiltrated Osiris, Lazarus, and the Rahl family.
NPO worked to precipitate the 2017 coup of Lazarus in the hope it would turn in their favour.


and also Attero's "Comrade Sarah" ideneity.

I would GREATLY APPRECIATE it if you did not use me as a pawn in your ridiculous arguments. I do not care about any of this drama. I don't want to be involved at all, I have nothing to do with the NPO or any of these regions anymore. Leave me the hell alone.

(and for all you on the NSGP Discord, if you have something to say, say it to my face, not behind my back in a public Discord.)

It's not my (or the NPOs) fault that you decided I didn't need to be IP checked because I was pretending to be some helpless little girl, and let me use a VPN on top of that.
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Postby Wycliffe » Sat Nov 24, 2018 6:39 pm

Killer Kitty wrote:So Funk, Lamb, and I were correct when we assessed that someone was trying to coup Lazarus in 2017, our actions were vindicated, and NPO was basically the cause of the entire Lazarus Civil War?

Another victory for the Khanate!

Don't get too far ahead of yourself. The fallout from your coup hit more than just NPO operatives. It was the rest of the Lazarus citizenry that got to watch their community burn while not even realizing they were getting played.

Frankly, I'm disgusted. The NPO played us like a fiddle and subverted what should have been a grassroots, democratic movement for their own aims. They're responsible for driving Lazarus into the ground as much as the Wolves are. They can never again be trusted to operate in Lazarus again as long as that cabal, including Pergamon, still hold power. We fought so hard, for nothing. I'd like to echo my friend Atlantica- look through the logs. I haven't had the chance to revisit them, but maybe there's more enlightening information in there. I don't hold the belief that much of what Funk and the gang did was justified, and in an ideal world they would have never been given the impetus for their power grab. But maybe the whole situation is more understandable now for both sides. The Resistance was completely led on by the Francoists, who talked a very good game about taking the fight to the userite- and it truly was a userite menace at the time. They were really convincing with their rhetoric up until recently. And now we see that it is all, yet again, more lies. I'll begrudgingly admit to the plotters that in the face of NPO subversion, radical (authoritarian) measures are understandable considering the alternative. I don't think I would have stuck around if I'd known we'd just get another NLO.

Count me in for anything that can stick it to the Order. You know where to find me.

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Postby New Rogernomics » Sat Nov 24, 2018 6:45 pm

Killer Kitty wrote:So Funk, Lamb, and I were correct when we assessed that someone was trying to coup Lazarus in 2017, our actions were vindicated, and NPO was basically the cause of the entire Lazarus Civil War?

Another victory for the Khanate!
Well, not so fast. The Undead Dominion did ban a lot of people, as well as the general collapse of the CU leaving much of Lazarus a husk of activity. :p
  • Funkadelia went so far as to remove admin from DYP, even though he was no way involved.
  • People might have been 'misguided' and 'foolish', but that was no reason to perma ban Harmoneia et al.
  • The civil war damaged Lazarene culture and destroyed institutions built up over years i.e. independent courts, separations of powers, and the democratic assembly.
If I was to assess the Undead Dominion, it's greatest mistake was not pardoning people and not letting Lazarus get over the civil war. :meh:
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Postby Killer Kitty » Sat Nov 24, 2018 6:50 pm

New Rogernomics wrote:[*]People might have been 'misguided' and 'foolish', but that was no reason to perma ban Harmoneia et al.


I mean, NPO was planning on using Harm as their "main line of defense" and we did think she was in on it because she was in the Revolt's coup chat on Discord that, it turns out, was being lead by the NPO through, at minimum, Ark.

So, sorry there was collateral damage, but if the NPO wasn't trying to coup the Lazarus government, we probably wouldn't have had to worry about any of that.
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Postby Cormactopia Prime » Sat Nov 24, 2018 6:55 pm

Both sides in Lazarus were played by the NPO. You're not really going to start bickering with each other again, right? Imki has made all this right and put Lazarus back on the path to unity, with (some) members of both sides coexisting there now in peace. Don't start fighting with each other again.

Take the fight to the NPO instead. They're the ones who brought the fight to you, without most of you even realizing it. They manipulated both Funkadelia and the Underground, the entire time, to provoke exactly the outcome they got. They should burn for that. NPO delenda est.
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Postby Syberis » Sat Nov 24, 2018 7:06 pm

Vetelo wrote:
Ever-Wandering Souls wrote:
and also Attero's "Comrade Sarah" ideneity.

I would GREATLY APPRECIATE it if you did not use me as a pawn in your ridiculous arguments. I do not care about any of this drama. I don't want to be involved at all, I have nothing to do with the NPO or any of these regions anymore. Leave me the hell alone.

(and for all you on the NSGP Discord, if you have something to say, say it to my face, not behind my back in a public Discord.)

It's not my (or the NPOs) fault that you decided I didn't need to be IP checked because I was pretending to be some helpless little girl, and let me use a VPN on top of that.


I do like the admission that you were, in fact, known to the NPO. That says all we need to about the NPO's willingness to use a certain breed of player for political gain.
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Postby KhanterWinters » Sat Nov 24, 2018 7:06 pm

Ever-Wandering Souls wrote:
and also Attero's "Comrade Sarah" ideneity.


I wonder Souls, if Moneyness was part of them too...
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Postby Galiantus III » Sat Nov 24, 2018 7:22 pm

Cormactopia Prime wrote:Both sides in Lazarus were played by the NPO. You're not really going to start bickering with each other again, right? Imki has made all this right and put Lazarus back on the path to unity, with (some) members of both sides coexisting there now in peace. Don't start fighting with each other again.

Take the fight to the NPO instead. They're the ones who brought the fight to you, without most of you even realizing it. They manipulated both Funkadelia and the Underground, the entire time, to provoke exactly the outcome they got. They should burn for that. NPO delenda est.


This^

Anyone in Lazarus still holding grudges against players on the "opposing side" needs to put that behind them and recognize last year's civil war for what it was - foreign meddling and manipulation by the NPO. Break down any remaining barriers between you and your region-mates, and unite under Imkiville's leadership.
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Postby Stroletv » Sat Nov 24, 2018 7:27 pm

I find it a bit intriguing that user-created regions such as the Black Hawks, Hartfelden, and the Midnight Order truly believe that can effectively fight a war against the Pacific.

As it relates to the citizenries and militaries of these regions, namely those of both the Midnight Order and the Harrfelden, what do they honestly seek to accomplish in their quest to enact open warfare upon Pacifica?

Hate to break it to each of you, but in the Pacific we have this thing called camaraderie. Though your tactical recruitment telegrams spamming anti-Order propaganda across the region have been... at best very entertaining, do know full and well that there will always be more of us.

Simply put, you will not find yourselves capable of dividing a community for which we have prided ourselves on for over fifteen years now. Much less to unseat that legacy, Pacificans will not be separated from their rightful homeland.

In case you haven’t heard it yet, what with your futile recitement of the phrase “NPO delenda est“, the Pacific and its members stand strong. Have in the past, do now, and will continue to in the future. Each of you seek to destroy us, this search fails to recognize the inevitable conclusion that in the end the Revolution will be defended just as it always has.

Take down one of us? Another Comrade will pick them up and assist them. Defeat one of us? There will be two more behind them to defeat you. Raise one of your own flags? And two illuminated stars with a crimson backgrounds will rise in unison.

You cannot and will not triumph over us. Hail Emperor Aleisyr! Hail the Pacific! o/
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Postby Unibot III » Sat Nov 24, 2018 7:29 pm

Galiantus III wrote:
Cormactopia Prime wrote:Both sides in Lazarus were played by the NPO. You're not really going to start bickering with each other again, right? Imki has made all this right and put Lazarus back on the path to unity, with (some) members of both sides coexisting there now in peace. Don't start fighting with each other again.

Take the fight to the NPO instead. They're the ones who brought the fight to you, without most of you even realizing it. They manipulated both Funkadelia and the Underground, the entire time, to provoke exactly the outcome they got. They should burn for that. NPO delenda est.


This^

Anyone in Lazarus still holding grudges against players on the "opposing side" needs to put that behind them and recognize last year's civil war for what it was - foreign meddling and manipulation by the NPO. Break down any remaining barriers between you and your region-mates, and unite under Imkiville's leadership.


Not exactly. The result of the coup is Lazarus is a very different region than it was, even pre-PRL. It has basically no ties to TRR (which used to be its sister-region); many of its old natives are unwelcome and/or remain refugees of the Imkiville "corpocracy" except bizarrely Evil Wolf. Both sides were played by NPO, but the result of the coup transferred and consolidated power under a new force.

Have in the past, do now, and will continue to in the future. Each of you seek to destroy us, this search fails to recognize the inevitable conclusion that in the end the Revolution will be defended just as it always has.


It would be unwise to rely on inevitability here. The "revolution" began in August 2003, mostly by a freak server error compounded by invader ambition and security oversight. If something begins, it can indeed end.

Materially, an anti-NPO war effort can do a number of things...

- Isolate the NPO diplomatically, forcing the dismissal of citizenship overlap on the grounds of war-time measures.
- Condemn the NPO.
- Recruitment warfare.
- Long-term intelligence operations, especially through the CyberNations backdoor.
- Deep canvassing of NPO endorsees.

Applying a deep canvass, long-term approach isn't something I've seen applied to NationStates before. Coups are usually a short term investment. But it's wrong to assume the 450+ endorsees really support the NPO. An intimate one-on-one canvass with endorsees can start a conversation that changes their opinion of the NPO regime. Even a loss of a hundred endorsements, for instance, is a serious penalty in terms of the influence of the NPO in the WA.
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