by Eduriania » Thu Nov 22, 2018 3:47 pm
by Dooom35796821595 » Thu Nov 22, 2018 4:06 pm
by New Excalibus » Thu Nov 22, 2018 4:09 pm
by Eduriania » Thu Nov 22, 2018 4:44 pm
New Excalibus wrote:Gibraltar is British territory, no matter what. Britain is in control of whether they leave or not, other EU nations should not be able to interfere with such choice.
by US-SSR » Thu Nov 22, 2018 4:53 pm
by New Excalibus » Thu Nov 22, 2018 5:08 pm
Eduriania wrote:New Excalibus wrote:Gibraltar is British territory, no matter what. Britain is in control of whether they leave or not, other EU nations should not be able to interfere with such choice.
Good point but,
What about if Gibraltar asks not to leave the EU but its considerations are not taken seriously by British officials? Spanish officials are saying that the UK shouldn't control what Gibraltar wants to do. Gibraltar really hasn't had their opinion heard. I guess it's now their turn to speak up.
by Liecthenbourg » Thu Nov 22, 2018 5:09 pm
Eduriania wrote:-snip-
Dooom35796821595 wrote:Spain, pulling a fast one? Whose surprised at that?
New Excalibus wrote:Gibraltar is British territory, no matter what. Britain is in control of whether they leave or not, other EU nations should not be able to interfere with such choice.
Eduriania wrote:New Excalibus wrote:Gibraltar is British territory, no matter what. Britain is in control of whether they leave or not, other EU nations should not be able to interfere with such choice.
Good point but,
What about if Gibraltar asks not to leave the EU but its considerations are not taken seriously by British officials? Spanish officials are saying that the UK shouldn't control what Gibraltar wants to do. Gibraltar really hasn't had their opinion heard. I guess it's now their turn to speak up.
US-SSR wrote:Gibraltar is no more British territory than was Hong Kong, it is a relic of colonialism that should be returned to Spain.
by Eduriania » Thu Nov 22, 2018 5:13 pm
US-SSR wrote:Gibraltar is no more British territory than was Hong Kong, it is a relic of colonialism that should be returned to Spain. As for Brexit, some kerfuffle over the status of Gibraltar is the least of its worries. The UK government ought to be more concerned about its own Ministers who shouted Teresa May down yesterday. By far the best way to handle that would be to take a revote to undo the whole tainted business and let it drop once and for all.
by Liecthenbourg » Thu Nov 22, 2018 5:14 pm
Eduriania wrote:US-SSR wrote:Gibraltar is no more British territory than was Hong Kong, it is a relic of colonialism that should be returned to Spain. As for Brexit, some kerfuffle over the status of Gibraltar is the least of its worries. The UK government ought to be more concerned about its own Ministers who shouted Teresa May down yesterday. By far the best way to handle that would be to take a revote to undo the whole tainted business and let it drop once and for all.
Well, I would say yes to that! Internal problems should be at the top of their worries right now. As for Gibraltar being returned to Spain... Idk. It has been a British territory since the 18th century. Spain is still butthurt that Britain defeated them and took Gibraltar in 1713? It's not that big of an asset anyways, leave it to Britain.
by Eduriania » Thu Nov 22, 2018 5:22 pm
Liecthenbourg wrote:Why do all these conditions matter more than the referendums we've had on the issue?
by Liecthenbourg » Thu Nov 22, 2018 5:26 pm
Eduriania wrote:Liecthenbourg wrote:Why do all these conditions matter more than the referendums we've had on the issue?
What matters is not whether Gibraltar belongs to Spain or the UK, it's how Spain is taking it. They threatened to pull out of the Brexit deal over this issue, this could put the deal in a difficult situation.
by Thermodolia » Thu Nov 22, 2018 5:27 pm
Eduriania wrote:Liecthenbourg wrote:Why do all these conditions matter more than the referendums we've had on the issue?
What matters is not whether Gibraltar belongs to Spain or the UK, it's how Spain is taking it. They threatened to pull out of the Brexit deal over this issue, this could put the deal in a difficult situation.
by Heloin » Thu Nov 22, 2018 6:42 pm
by SD_Film Artists » Fri Nov 23, 2018 4:02 am
Heloin wrote:I've said the same on the Falklands to Argentina and will say the same to Spain. Get over it or go fuck yourself, preferably both.
Whatever thoughts on brexit may be Spain trying to use it to gain leverage on Gibraltar is stupid.
by Risottia » Fri Nov 23, 2018 4:50 am
Eduriania wrote:British overseas territory of Gibraltar, located off the coast of Spain.
Should Spain have a part in discussions about a territory they haven't had power over for hundreds of years? How does it affect them?
by Izaakia » Fri Nov 23, 2018 5:02 am
by Risottia » Fri Nov 23, 2018 5:15 am
Izaakia wrote:They’re just gonna do what Germany tells them to do anyway, so why don’t they stop having a hissy fit about a small enclave of British territory?
Their arguement is made even more absurd by their ownership of Ceuta and Melilla.
by Izaakia » Fri Nov 23, 2018 5:34 am
Risottia wrote:Izaakia wrote:They’re just gonna do what Germany tells them to do anyway, so why don’t they stop having a hissy fit about a small enclave of British territory?
Their arguement is made even more absurd by their ownership of Ceuta and Melilla.
I don't see Spain leaving the African Union while asking for free benefits such as free trade with Morocco at the moment.
by The New California Republic » Fri Nov 23, 2018 6:08 am
US-SSR wrote:Gibraltar is no more British territory than was Hong Kong, it is a relic of colonialism that should be returned to Spain.
by Risottia » Fri Nov 23, 2018 6:31 am
Izaakia wrote:Risottia wrote:I don't see Spain leaving the African Union while asking for free benefits such as free trade with Morocco at the moment.
Ofcourse, that would never happen because, even if they did join the AU, the Spanish wouldnt accept the democratic will of their own people if they wanted to leave.
by Risottia » Fri Nov 23, 2018 6:34 am
The New California Republic wrote:US-SSR wrote:Gibraltar is no more British territory than was Hong Kong, it is a relic of colonialism that should be returned to Spain.
Gibraltar is British and will stay that way. They had a referendum to decide their fate several years ago, the result was conclusive. If Spain ever tries to take it by force then I hope they enjoy getting shelled from the top of The Rock...
by Izaakia » Fri Nov 23, 2018 6:50 am
Risottia wrote:Izaakia wrote:
Ofcourse, that would never happen because, even if they did join the AU, the Spanish wouldnt accept the democratic will of their own people if they wanted to leave.
Depends. If they tried to get a secession by unconstitutional means, like the Catalans, most likely they wouldn't be allowed.
by Myfanwyski » Fri Nov 23, 2018 6:50 am
Risottia wrote:The New California Republic wrote:Gibraltar is British and will stay that way. They had a referendum to decide their fate several years ago, the result was conclusive. If Spain ever tries to take it by force then I hope they enjoy getting shelled from the top of The Rock...
Spain isn't trying to take Gibraltar right now.just wait They of course don't want the Brits and Bruxelles rule over one of their land borders without their say being considered crucial.
If they tried to get a secession by unconstitutional means, like the Catalans - you give them nothing other than 'unconstitutional means' to seek independence
by Luziyca » Fri Nov 23, 2018 10:37 am
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