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by An Alan Smithee Nation » Tue Nov 20, 2018 2:27 am
by Vassenor » Tue Nov 20, 2018 2:28 am
by Thermodolia » Tue Nov 20, 2018 3:12 am
Infected Mushroom wrote:Dahon wrote:
No Nazis equals no pervertedly giddy Mushroom? Count me in -- I'd want millions to live on and die without knowing sHitler anyway.
What about Harry Potter and Fantastic Beasts?
I'm not sure they would exist in the same form either or at all...
you underestimate the extent to which Nazis have influenced literature
by Infected Mushroom » Tue Nov 20, 2018 3:18 am
by Mattopilos II » Tue Nov 20, 2018 3:21 am
by Reikoku » Tue Nov 20, 2018 5:58 am
Infected Mushroom wrote:Dahon wrote:
No Nazis equals no pervertedly giddy Mushroom? Count me in -- I'd want millions to live on and die without knowing sHitler anyway.
What about Harry Potter and Fantastic Beasts?
I'm not sure they would exist in the same form either or at all...
you underestimate the extent to which Nazis have influenced literature
by The Huskar Social Union » Tue Nov 20, 2018 5:59 am
by Ifreann » Tue Nov 20, 2018 6:38 am
Infected Mushroom wrote:Dahon wrote:
No Nazis equals no pervertedly giddy Mushroom? Count me in -- I'd want millions to live on and die without knowing sHitler anyway.
What about Harry Potter and Fantastic Beasts?
I'm not sure they would exist in the same form either or at all...
you underestimate the extent to which Nazis have influenced literature
by Vassenor » Tue Nov 20, 2018 6:50 am
Infected Mushroom wrote:Dahon wrote:
No Nazis equals no pervertedly giddy Mushroom? Count me in -- I'd want millions to live on and die without knowing sHitler anyway.
What about Harry Potter and Fantastic Beasts?
I'm not sure they would exist in the same form either or at all...
you underestimate the extent to which Nazis have influenced literature
by Puldania » Tue Nov 20, 2018 7:00 am
Big Jim P wrote:The Nazis gave us an almost universal demon to stand against.
The also provided a distraction to take our attention away from communism and its far higher death toll.
by Xmara » Tue Nov 20, 2018 7:14 am
Valrifell wrote:Novus America wrote:
Yes. Fascists praising the Nazis is stupid. Nazis did not create Fascism, they created an extreme off shoot of it that effectively killed all Fascism by association with Nazism.
I heard somewhere that, in the early stages of their relationship, Mussolini viewed Hitler as his protégé.
Ironic that not only did Hitler overshadow Mussolini in importance in the Fascist ideology but also killed its potential adoption by other nations. Also started a war that ended with him being hanged.
by Novus America » Tue Nov 20, 2018 7:18 am
by Infected Mushroom » Tue Nov 20, 2018 7:24 am
by Infected Mushroom » Tue Nov 20, 2018 7:26 am
by Ifreann » Tue Nov 20, 2018 7:41 am
Infected Mushroom wrote:Ifreann wrote:The Harry Potter novels would be largely the same without the Nazis.
I disagree.
The activities of the Death Eaters and the rise of Grindelwald draw heavily from World War II and the Nazification of Germany.
Its possible other historical events could act as inspiration but nowhere to the same degree
by Technocratic Uganda » Tue Nov 20, 2018 7:53 am
by Infected Mushroom » Tue Nov 20, 2018 7:57 am
Ifreann wrote:Infected Mushroom wrote:
I disagree.
The activities of the Death Eaters and the rise of Grindelwald draw heavily from World War II and the Nazification of Germany.
Its possible other historical events could act as inspiration but nowhere to the same degree
Grindelwald is not a terribly important character, and Voldemort and his Death Eaters are not really all that like Hitler and the Nazis, especially not in the course of the events of the novels.
by The Greater Ohio Valley » Tue Nov 20, 2018 7:58 am
Infected Mushroom wrote:Dahon wrote:
No Nazis equals no pervertedly giddy Mushroom? Count me in -- I'd want millions to live on and die without knowing sHitler anyway.
What about Harry Potter and Fantastic Beasts?
I'm not sure they would exist in the same form either or at all...
you underestimate the extent to which Nazis have influenced literature
by Infected Mushroom » Tue Nov 20, 2018 8:00 am
by Ifreann » Tue Nov 20, 2018 8:24 am
Infected Mushroom wrote:Ifreann wrote:Grindelwald is not a terribly important character, and Voldemort and his Death Eaters are not really all that like Hitler and the Nazis, especially not in the course of the events of the novels.
he is in the Fantastic Beasts films
have you not seen them? Grindelwald is a main character.
Voldemort not like the Nazis? Pure-blood/blood purity ideology,
enslavement of Muggles and Muggle-borns,
quiet and gradual take over of government and society,
the use of education and media as propaganda weapons...
I don't know, it all sound like it got pulled from the Nazis. If the series had been a bit higher than PG Rowling could easily have had Voldemort kill 6-12 million Muggles/Muggle-born magic users and it would still seem in character.
by Xmara » Tue Nov 20, 2018 11:47 am
by Len Hyet » Tue Nov 20, 2018 3:53 pm
Infected Mushroom wrote:The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:
People not being genocided > Harry Potter.
Its not just Harry Potter. I was just using that as a more well-known example.
The collective corpus of Nazi/World War II inspired media is huge. In fact, its really hard to say what the literary and artistic world would look like without the Nazis. They have really shaped the 20th and 21st century.
by Atheris » Tue Nov 20, 2018 4:11 pm
by Valrifell » Tue Nov 20, 2018 4:58 pm
Xmara wrote:Rowling is a good writer. I’m sure she wouldn’t have needed the Nazis to inspire her villains and probably would have come up with a villain just as despicable if Hitler never rose to power.
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