12 dead in Thousand Oaks, Ca bar

[Big Jim P]

Universal Armament would be fine if everyone was responsible. Of course, that's too much to ask for in America.

Universal armament in America would be a bloodbath, if you think gun crime and mass shootings are a problem now then that would catalyse is tenfold.

Bullshit. Crime is currently trending down while gun ownership and carry is up. No reason to assume that these trends would change.

[Big Jim P]

Don't forget the "gunshow loophole" fiasco.

Since I don't follow the gun world; what are these two?

The "gun-show loophole" is the fact that private sellers at gun shows are not required to perform background checks. The gun grabbers try to misinform lie to people that this means no one, including FFL dealers are not required to.

[The Black Forrest]

Since I don't follow the gun world; what are these two?

The "gun-show loophole" is the fact that private sellers at gun shows are not required to perform background checks. The gun grabbers try to misinform lie to people that this means no one, including FFL dealers are not required to.

Ok. Pardon my confusion.

So basically private sellers at gun shows are not required to do this.

The FFL people still do and people are saying they don't?

[Big Jim P]

The "gun-show loophole" is the fact that private sellers at gun shows are not required to perform background checks. The gun grabbers try to misinform lie to people that this means no one, including FFL dealers are not required to.

Ok. Pardon my confusion.

So basically private sellers at gun shows are not required to do this.

The FFL people still do and people are saying they don't?

The gun grabbers say the FFLs don't. One of their lies to promote their infringement attempts.

[Farnhamia]

Since the thread has moved beyond the specific incident into a more general ... is discussion the right word? Anyway, gun control seems to be the topic now and we have a thread on that, right here: viewtopic.php?f=20&t=439114 (what does "gunnening" even mean?). This thread is locked.

There's been a good deal of baiting and flaming and general bad behavior here. You can do better.