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Postby Conserative Morality » Thu Nov 08, 2018 8:24 pm

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Tarsonis wrote:
Remember kids when the Republicans do it, it’s #obstruxtionism . When the Democrats do it, it’s #resistance.


When Republicans do it, it's stopping the evil Socialists from getting control of government. When Democrats do it...

Well, shit, they haven't done it at all!

I love it when we've done what we haven't done.
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Postby Valrifell » Thu Nov 08, 2018 8:24 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
When Republicans do it, it's stopping the evil Socialists from getting control of government. When Democrats do it...

Well, shit, they haven't done it at all!

I love it when we've done what we haven't done.


Schrödinger's Democrat, and all that.
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Postby Tarsonis » Thu Nov 08, 2018 8:26 pm

Valrifell wrote:
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Remember kids when the Republicans do it, it’s #obstruxtionism . When the Democrats do it, it’s #resistance.


When Republicans do it, it's stopping the evil Socialists from getting control of government. When Democrats do it...

Well, shit, they haven't done it at all!


The battle cry for this election was “shut down trumps agenda”. So when the democratic house refuses to pass any of Trumps agenda, and constantly floats the idea of impeaching him, how will the Democrats say they’re not doing exactly what the Republicans did?
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The battle cry for this election was “shut down trumps agenda”. So when the democratic house refuses to pass any of Trumps agenda, and constantly floats the idea of impeaching him, how will the Democrats say they’re not doing exactly what the Republicans did?

"When"

lol
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Postby Petrasylvania » Thu Nov 08, 2018 8:27 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
When Republicans do it, it's stopping the evil Socialists from getting control of government. When Democrats do it...

Well, shit, they haven't done it at all!


The battle cry for this election was “shut down trumps agenda”. So when the democratic house refuses to pass any of Trumps agenda, and constantly floats the idea of impeaching him, how will the Democrats say they’re not doing exactly what the Republicans did?

Whatever works. :^]
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Postby Valrifell » Thu Nov 08, 2018 8:27 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
When Republicans do it, it's stopping the evil Socialists from getting control of government. When Democrats do it...

Well, shit, they haven't done it at all!


The battle cry for this election was “shut down trumps agenda”. So when the democratic house refuses to pass any of Trumps agenda, and constantly floats the idea of impeaching him, how will the Democrats say they’re not doing exactly what the Republicans did?


Bah, the electorate doesn't care about hypocrisy anymore. Reps pioneered that trick.
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Postby Len Hyet » Thu Nov 08, 2018 8:27 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:

The battle cry for this election was “shut down trumps agenda”. So when the democratic house refuses to pass any of Trumps agenda, and constantly floats the idea of impeaching him, how will the Democrats say they’re not doing exactly what the Republicans did?

"When"

lol

Honest question, do you see the Dems not doing that?
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Postby Tarsonis » Thu Nov 08, 2018 8:28 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:

The battle cry for this election was “shut down trumps agenda”. So when the democratic house refuses to pass any of Trumps agenda, and constantly floats the idea of impeaching him, how will the Democrats say they’re not doing exactly what the Republicans did?

"When"

lol


You saying the Democrats won’t deliver on their campaign promise to “stop Trump?”
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Postby Tarsonis » Thu Nov 08, 2018 8:29 pm

Petrasylvania wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
The battle cry for this election was “shut down trumps agenda”. So when the democratic house refuses to pass any of Trumps agenda, and constantly floats the idea of impeaching him, how will the Democrats say they’re not doing exactly what the Republicans did?

Whatever works. :^]


So yup, my points still stands.

Remember kids Republicans obstruct Democrats Resist
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1 Corinthians 5:12 "What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?"
Galatians 6:7 "Do not be deceived; God is not mocked, for you reap whatever you sow."
T. Stevens: "I don't hold with equality in all things, but I believe in equality under the Law."
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Postby Valrifell » Thu Nov 08, 2018 8:30 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
Petrasylvania wrote:Whatever works. :^]


So yup, my points still stands.

Remember kids Republicans obstruct Democrats Resist


Democrats have been being accused of obstruction before they even had control of any house of Congress.

Boy who cried wolf, and all that.
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Postby Petrasylvania » Thu Nov 08, 2018 8:31 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
So yup, my points still stands.

Remember kids Republicans obstruct Democrats Resist


Democrats have been being accused of obstruction before they even had control of any house of Congress.

Boy who cried wolf, and all that.

And then the wolf finally shows up.
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Postby Tarsonis » Thu Nov 08, 2018 8:31 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
So yup, my points still stands.

Remember kids Republicans obstruct Democrats Resist


Democrats have been being accused of obstruction before they even had control of any house of Congress.

Boy who cried wolf, and all that.


Well that’s a fair point. When they actually get power to obstruct we might all be numb to the narratives. Just like what happened with the Republicans in 2014
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Postby Valrifell » Thu Nov 08, 2018 8:31 pm

Petrasylvania wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
Democrats have been being accused of obstruction before they even had control of any house of Congress.

Boy who cried wolf, and all that.

And then the wolf finally shows up.


That's usually how the story ends, yes.
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Postby Dahon » Thu Nov 08, 2018 8:38 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
When Republicans do it, it's stopping the evil Socialists from getting control of government. When Democrats do it...

Well, shit, they haven't done it at all!


The battle cry for this election was “shut down trumps agenda”. So when the democratic house refuses to pass any of Trumps agenda, and constantly floats the idea of impeaching him, how will the Democrats say they’re not doing exactly what the Republicans did?


If Trump were a reasonable man, if his cabinet weren't a vile collection of zealots and opportunists, working together with that White House would be feasible beyond military matters. But as it is? Fuck the dick.
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Postby Tarsonis » Thu Nov 08, 2018 8:40 pm

Dahon wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
The battle cry for this election was “shut down trumps agenda”. So when the democratic house refuses to pass any of Trumps agenda, and constantly floats the idea of impeaching him, how will the Democrats say they’re not doing exactly what the Republicans did?


If Trump were a reasonable man, if his cabinet weren't a vile collection of zealots and opportunists, working together with that White House would be feasible beyond military matters. But as it is? Fuck the dick.


Remember kids obstructionism is only wrong when your political opponents do it. When you do it it’s justified.
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Thucydides: “The society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools.”
1 Corinthians 5:12 "What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?"
Galatians 6:7 "Do not be deceived; God is not mocked, for you reap whatever you sow."
T. Stevens: "I don't hold with equality in all things, but I believe in equality under the Law."
James I of Aragon "Have you ever considered that our position is Idolatry to the Rabbi?"
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Postby Conserative Morality » Thu Nov 08, 2018 8:40 pm

Len Hyet wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:"When"

lol

Honest question, do you see the Dems not doing that?

I see it as a strong possibility. Through incompetence, spinelessness, and the idea that compromise will make them look good (without learning that it never does).
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Postby Conserative Morality » Thu Nov 08, 2018 8:41 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
Dahon wrote:
If Trump were a reasonable man, if his cabinet weren't a vile collection of zealots and opportunists, working together with that White House would be feasible beyond military matters. But as it is? Fuck the dick.


Remember kids obstructionism is only wrong when your political opponents do it. When you do it it’s justified.

The irony is incredible.
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Postby Pasong Tirad » Thu Nov 08, 2018 8:43 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Len Hyet wrote:Honest question, do you see the Dems not doing that?

I see it as a strong possibility. Through incompetence, spinelessness, and the idea that compromise will make them look good (without learning that it never does).

B-but but, my bipartisan marketplace of ideas!

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Postby Petrasylvania » Thu Nov 08, 2018 8:44 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
Dahon wrote:
If Trump were a reasonable man, if his cabinet weren't a vile collection of zealots and opportunists, working together with that White House would be feasible beyond military matters. But as it is? Fuck the dick.


Remember kids obstructionism is only wrong when your political opponents do it. When you do it it’s justified.

And obstructionism won the Republicans all three branches.

Soo why shouldn't the Democrats do it, hmm?
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If Donald Trump accuses an individual of malfeasance without evidence, it is almost a certainty either he or someone associated with him has in fact committed that very same malfeasance to a greater degree.

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Postby Dahon » Thu Nov 08, 2018 8:47 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
Dahon wrote:
If Trump were a reasonable man, if his cabinet weren't a vile collection of zealots and opportunists, working together with that White House would be feasible beyond military matters. But as it is? Fuck the dick.


Remember kids obstructionism is only wrong when your political opponents do it. When you do it it’s justified.


Can Trump vouch for congressional policies that have had Democratic input? Yes or no?

Take out the context and the Democrats doing it with Trump would seem as unreasonable as when the Republicans did it with Obama, but then you need context for both.
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CNN 2018 election exit polls

They added breakdowns by parenthood/gender of children. Surprised that all-boy parents voted more Democratic than all-girl and mixed gender.

Are you a parent?
Yes (30%) 54% D 44% R 2% NA
No (70%) 55% D 43% R 2% NA
18778 Respondents

Children under 18
Only boys (11%) 59% D 39% R 2% NA
Only girls (8%) 54% D 45% R 1% NA
Both boys and girls (11%) 50% D 48% R 2% NA
No children under 18 (70%) 55% D 43% R 2% NA
18778 Respondents



The breakdown for race relations was VERY interesting.
In the U.S. today:
Whites are favored (41%) 87% D 11% R 2% NA
Minorities are favored (19%) 12% D 85% R 3% NA
No group is favored (33%) 29% D 69% R 2% NA
18778 Respondents
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Hakons wrote:If only there was another chamber of the legislature that was based on population. That would certainly be a good addition to our republic.

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Democracy or land, take your pick.

As a self-proclaimed Americanist, you surely know that the US was never meant to be a democracy. That is historical revisionism.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Thu Nov 08, 2018 10:01 pm

Dahon wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
The battle cry for this election was “shut down trumps agenda”. So when the democratic house refuses to pass any of Trumps agenda, and constantly floats the idea of impeaching him, how will the Democrats say they’re not doing exactly what the Republicans did?


If Trump were a reasonable man, if his cabinet weren't a vile collection of zealots and opportunists, working together with that White House would be feasible beyond military matters. But as it is? Fuck the dick.

I find it odd you say you could work on them with military matters, but nothing else, as if military matters aren't the area where a President has the most ability to infringe on human rights.
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Postby Petrasylvania » Thu Nov 08, 2018 10:07 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Dahon wrote:
If Trump were a reasonable man, if his cabinet weren't a vile collection of zealots and opportunists, working together with that White House would be feasible beyond military matters. But as it is? Fuck the dick.

I find it odd you say you could work on them with military matters, but nothing else, as if military matters aren't the area where a President has the most ability to infringe on human rights.

Work with Trump on everything but military matters if he was reasonable.
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If Donald Trump accuses an individual of malfeasance without evidence, it is almost a certainty either he or someone associated with him has in fact committed that very same malfeasance to a greater degree.

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