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by The Huskar Social Union » Thu Nov 08, 2018 8:48 am
by Ifreann » Thu Nov 08, 2018 9:11 am
by Vassenor » Thu Nov 08, 2018 9:13 am
Ifreann wrote:Right wing internet people are claiming the shooter was a bearded Middle Eastern man, while the actual news media is reporting that he was Ian David Long, 28, believed to have been a Marine Corps veteran. Long apparently suffered from PTSD and related mental issues and had several minor run ins with the local police, including an interview with a police crisis intervention team, who determined that it was not necessary to commit him to a mental health facility.
He was due to retire next year.
by Shofercia » Thu Nov 08, 2018 9:52 am
by Paddy O Fernature » Thu Nov 08, 2018 9:54 am
Shofercia wrote:My condolences to the victims of the shooting.
On the political side, "good" job California developers, lying to the voters about Proposition 2, the one that took money away from treating the mentally ill, and placed it into building even more housing for the mentally ill, because who needs treatment when you have a house, amirite? Sadly, more shootings will be the result of it.
by Shofercia » Thu Nov 08, 2018 9:59 am
Paddy O Fernature wrote:Shofercia wrote:My condolences to the victims of the shooting.
On the political side, "good" job California developers, lying to the voters about Proposition 2, the one that took money away from treating the mentally ill, and placed it into building even more housing for the mentally ill, because who needs treatment when you have a house, amirite? Sadly, more shootings will be the result of it.
Sooner or later, people are going to realize that mental health issues are a worthwhile investment to tackle. I just wonder how many people are going to die as a result before people wake up and stop blaming the NRA/Gun Owners.
by Paddy O Fernature » Thu Nov 08, 2018 10:03 am
by The Isle of Beithe » Thu Nov 08, 2018 10:04 am
Paddy O Fernature wrote:Shofercia wrote:My condolences to the victims of the shooting.
On the political side, "good" job California developers, lying to the voters about Proposition 2, the one that took money away from treating the mentally ill, and placed it into building even more housing for the mentally ill, because who needs treatment when you have a house, amirite? Sadly, more shootings will be the result of it.
Sooner or later, people are going to realize that mental health issues are a worthwhile investment to tackle. I just wonder how many people are going to die as a result before people wake up and stop blaming the NRA/Gun Owners.
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by Paddy O Fernature » Thu Nov 08, 2018 10:06 am
The Isle of Beithe wrote:Paddy O Fernature wrote:
Sooner or later, people are going to realize that mental health issues are a worthwhile investment to tackle. I just wonder how many people are going to die as a result before people wake up and stop blaming the NRA/Gun Owners.
Sadly, I often question if the problem is less the availability* of mental healthcare resources and more the stigma regarding mental illness that prevents many from actually seeking help -- or if offered, accepting it.
* There are plenty of resources out there, though obviously quality and accessibility are an issue, in some localities more than others.
by Saiwania » Thu Nov 08, 2018 10:06 am
by The Isle of Beithe » Thu Nov 08, 2018 10:10 am
Paddy O Fernature wrote:The Isle of Beithe wrote:
Sadly, I often question if the problem is less the availability* of mental healthcare resources and more the stigma regarding mental illness that prevents many from actually seeking help -- or if offered, accepting it.
* There are plenty of resources out there, though obviously quality and accessibility are an issue, in some localities more than others.
Both actually, based upon my experience. Also has to do with the number of people as well that abuse the system and needlessly bog it down and thus imo hindering the available/quality of care for those who actually need it.
Head of State: President Ehrich W. Kemp | World Location: Australasia | Government Type: Constitutional democratic federation (official), meritocratic authoritarian democracy (unofficial)
by Xmara » Thu Nov 08, 2018 10:13 am
by Petrasylvania » Thu Nov 08, 2018 10:16 am
Xmara wrote:RIP
Every time I see another mass shooting in the media, I get scared. I begin to wonder when the next one will be and where. I begin to wonder who the victims will be, and I begin to wonder if I’m next.
It’s scary.
by The New California Republic » Thu Nov 08, 2018 10:17 am
by Paddy O Fernature » Thu Nov 08, 2018 10:18 am
The Isle of Beithe wrote:Paddy O Fernature wrote:
Both actually, based upon my experience. Also has to do with the number of people as well that abuse the system and needlessly bog it down and thus imo hindering the available/quality of care for those who actually need it.
I wouldn't go as far as claiming that some people abuse the system (though I'm sure it happens, but I'm not one to judge the validity of someone's alleged mental health issues). Too many clients relative to healthcare providers is definitely an issue, particular with organizations that primarily handle services for low-income and homeless persons. The time that it can take for someone to actually get an appointment with a psychologist or psychiatrist is appalling. You could apply for services and then wait a month, maybe longer; and in the meantime, your issues are just escalating.
by Absolon-7 » Thu Nov 08, 2018 10:19 am
by Paddy O Fernature » Thu Nov 08, 2018 10:20 am
The Isle of Beithe wrote:Paddy O Fernature wrote:
Both actually, based upon my experience. Also has to do with the number of people as well that abuse the system and needlessly bog it down and thus imo hindering the available/quality of care for those who actually need it.
I wouldn't go as far as claiming that some people abuse the system (though I'm sure it happens, but I'm not one to judge the validity of someone's alleged mental health issues). Too many clients relative to healthcare providers is definitely an issue, particular with organizations that primarily handle services for low-income and homeless persons. The time that it can take for someone to actually get an appointment with a psychologist or psychiatrist is appalling. You could apply for services and then wait a month, maybe longer; and in the meantime, your issues are just escalating.
Xmara wrote:RIP
Every time I see another mass shooting in the media, I get scared. I begin to wonder when the next one will be and where. I begin to wonder who the victims will be, and I begin to wonder if I’m next.
It’s scary.
Petrasylvania wrote:Xmara wrote:RIP
Every time I see another mass shooting in the media, I get scared. I begin to wonder when the next one will be and where. I begin to wonder who the victims will be, and I begin to wonder if I’m next.
It’s scary.
Apparently they'll only stop according to gun righters when every single living creature has firepower because would-be mass shooters don't want to die. MAD.
The New California Republic wrote:The suspect had PTSD or something similar. Many of these shooting are entirely preventable if there was more emphasis on healthcare in terms of mental health.
by Risottia » Thu Nov 08, 2018 10:21 am
Saiwania wrote:I'm going to place my bet that the shooter is another Incel....
by Internationalist Bastard » Thu Nov 08, 2018 10:22 am
by The Isle of Beithe » Thu Nov 08, 2018 10:23 am
Paddy O Fernature wrote:The Isle of Beithe wrote:
I wouldn't go as far as claiming that some people abuse the system (though I'm sure it happens, but I'm not one to judge the validity of someone's alleged mental health issues). Too many clients relative to healthcare providers is definitely an issue, particular with organizations that primarily handle services for low-income and homeless persons. The time that it can take for someone to actually get an appointment with a psychologist or psychiatrist is appalling. You could apply for services and then wait a month, maybe longer; and in the meantime, your issues are just escalating.
You also have states like MA where everyone has MassHealth, which is basically free healthcare for those who can't/refuse to get it. And people literally check themselves into ED's as SI/HI PT's because a BF/GF broke up with them and threw them out and suddenly they have a case of 24hr suicidal tendencies. Or where police check people into the hospital instead of arresting them for being drunk in public and causing issues (to literally include fighting with the police) because ETOH (Drunkenness) is labeled as an "Altered Mental Status" and qualifies them for a bed search/placement in a care facility via a Section 12 order.
Who is the suspect?
Police say they have had several minor contacts with Long in recent years, including in April 2018 when they were called to his house after a report of a disturbance.
During talks with police, he appeared "somewhat irate, acting a little irrationally", the sheriff said.
A police crisis intervention team interviewed him, and determined that it was not necessary to hold him against his will in a mental health facility under a so-called 5150 order.
Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-46135459
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by Internationalist Bastard » Thu Nov 08, 2018 10:23 am
Ifreann wrote:Right wing internet people are claiming the shooter was a bearded Middle Eastern man, while the actual news media is reporting that he was Ian David Long, 28, believed to have been a Marine Corps veteran. Long apparently suffered from PTSD and related mental issues and had several minor run ins with the local police, including an interview with a police crisis intervention team, who determined that it was not necessary to commit him to a mental health facility.
by Paddy O Fernature » Thu Nov 08, 2018 10:26 am
The Isle of Beithe wrote:Paddy O Fernature wrote:
You also have states like MA where everyone has MassHealth, which is basically free healthcare for those who can't/refuse to get it. And people literally check themselves into ED's as SI/HI PT's because a BF/GF broke up with them and threw them out and suddenly they have a case of 24hr suicidal tendencies. Or where police check people into the hospital instead of arresting them for being drunk in public and causing issues (to literally include fighting with the police) because ETOH (Drunkenness) is labeled as an "Altered Mental Status" and qualifies them for a bed search/placement in a care facility via a Section 12 order.
Yeah, there are some strange standards. I don't know if this is the result of poor training or jurisdictions being overly-concerned about the legal ramifications of letting a supposed "suicidal person" walk free. Probably a mix of both. Other jurisdictions take the polar opposite approach, as it seems may have occurred in this case:
by The New California Republic » Thu Nov 08, 2018 10:29 am
Risottia wrote:Saiwania wrote:I'm going to place my bet that the shooter is another Incel....
Unsurprisingly enough, the suspected shooter is a US veteran. Just like Timothy McVeigh, just sayin'.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-46135459
Why unsurprising? Well...
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/22/opin ... tings.html
Veterans account for 13 percent of the adult population, but more than a third of the adult perpetrators of the 43 worst mass killings since 1984 had been in the United States military. It is clear that, in the etiology of mass killings, military service is an important risk factor.
by Valrifell » Thu Nov 08, 2018 10:34 am
Paddy O Fernature wrote:Shofercia wrote:My condolences to the victims of the shooting.
On the political side, "good" job California developers, lying to the voters about Proposition 2, the one that took money away from treating the mentally ill, and placed it into building even more housing for the mentally ill, because who needs treatment when you have a house, amirite? Sadly, more shootings will be the result of it.
Sooner or later, people are going to realize that mental health issues are a worthwhile investment to tackle. I just wonder how many people are going to die as a result before people wake up and stop blaming the NRA/Gun Owners.
by San Lumen » Thu Nov 08, 2018 10:38 am
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