Ever-Wandering Souls wrote:Soulsian News Network: Posting TSP news because TSP won't.
I do expect see more of SNN, also like a new thread.... or dispatches...
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by KhanterWinters » Sat Nov 03, 2018 6:06 pm
Ever-Wandering Souls wrote:Soulsian News Network: Posting TSP news because TSP won't.
by Ever-Wandering Souls » Sat Nov 03, 2018 11:47 pm
Cabinet Announcement wrote:We have decided that Cabinet Advisers should fill a defined support role, providing something that the cabinet lacks. As such, we have decided to appoint Sandaoguo as an Advisor. He will be tasked with providing the cabinet with a detailed and experienced look on security, as his knowledge of that area is unmatched by any other individual in the region. His role will be officially titled 'Security Advisor' and he will be tasked with bringing any unknown security issues the cabinet should be aware of to our attention, as well as advising the cabinet on how best to handle these issues with both his extensive knowledge and experience in dealing with cases of this type.
Additionally, we have decided to appoint Amerion as a Cabinet Intern during this term. The Cabinet has determined that Amerion has brought a lot to the region in his short time here, proving himself beyond capable in a numerous amount of areas. We all agree that Amerion could be an excellent leader in TSP in whatever ministry or facet of the government he chose to pursue. In his position as Cabinet Intern, he will have access to everywhere cabinet advisors would and he will be tasked with educating himself on the functions and processes of a working and efficient Cabinet so that hopefully he can find himself in a Cabinet position by the next election cycle. Additionally he shall be tasked with helping The Cabinet decide policy on issues so as to help him learn in a more hands on way.
Ever-Wandering Souls wrote:However, this is about the extent to which this announcement meets that goal, and others made.
First off, following Glen's loss 21-10 in Cabinet elections, the next paragraph deigns to give this CRS member, Forum Admin, and Intelligence Coordinator a pseudo-Cabinet position anyways.
The Alicorns (Equestria) wrote:Let them stay, no need to badmouth them...From our view a bunch of nations just came in, seized the delegate position, and changed a few superficial things...we play NationStates differently...there's really no reason for us to be butthurt.
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=8944227
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=8951258
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by Cormactopia Prime » Sun Nov 04, 2018 12:38 am
by RiderSyl » Sun Nov 04, 2018 3:00 am
Cormactopia Prime wrote:I guess I'm wondering why we're supposed to automatically accept the premise that Cabinet Adviser and Cabinet Intern are the equivalent of Cabinet Minister. Seems to me that the difference is obvious. Cabinet Advisers advise, Cabinet Interns assist and learn, and Cabinet Ministers make the actual Cabinet decisions. Most regions have executive advisers and trainees, honestly, it's just it's usually structured differently or perhaps more informal.
Neither position should be regarded as a "major position," from what I can tell, so I don't see the contradiction with Serres' platform.
Seems like a lot being made of a little. Much like most of what's being directed toward TSP these days.
by Roavin » Sun Nov 04, 2018 3:18 am
Ever-Wandering Souls wrote:First off, following Glen's loss 21-10 in Cabinet elections, the next paragraph deigns to give this CRS member, Forum Admin, and Intelligence Coordinator a pseudo-Cabinet position anyways. Further, his task there is an extension of one publicly and repeatedly failed, in a manner acknowledged just recently by this very cabinet. Not only was he largely responsible alongside Roavin for a member of the previous cabinet being frivolously shadow-banned from cabinet policy-making via exclusion of Islands of Unity from a cabinet chat for reason of being "a security risk," [...]
by Roavin » Sun Nov 04, 2018 4:33 am
RiderSyl wrote:And while we're on the topic... When was the last time TSP had a Cabinet "Adviser"?
by Glen-Rhodes » Sun Nov 04, 2018 7:49 pm
by Ever-Wandering Souls » Sun Nov 04, 2018 8:32 pm
Glen-Rhodes wrote:For someone who’s been on his soapbox about being falsely accused of things by TSP, you’d think Souls would do the bare minimum fact checking before he accuses me of controlling the members of a group DM I was never in. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
The Alicorns (Equestria) wrote:Let them stay, no need to badmouth them...From our view a bunch of nations just came in, seized the delegate position, and changed a few superficial things...we play NationStates differently...there's really no reason for us to be butthurt.
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=8944227
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=8951258
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by Cormactopia Prime » Sun Nov 04, 2018 8:49 pm
Ever-Wandering Souls wrote:Glen-Rhodes wrote:For someone who’s been on his soapbox about being falsely accused of things by TSP, you’d think Souls would do the bare minimum fact checking before he accuses me of controlling the members of a group DM I was never in. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
So you're saying you, the intelligence coordinator, had absolutely no role in a cabinet member being declared enough of a security threat to be excluded from some cabinet matters, as per cabinet member Somy?
Ever-Wandering Souls wrote:And also that current cabinet member Roavin lied when he said:
...you being "regional security people," a "CRS member," and for that matter, an "other tenured member of the region?"
by RiderSyl » Sun Nov 04, 2018 9:24 pm
Cormactopia Prime wrote:It's kind of absurd that I'm banned from TSP for treason and I'm essentially an enemy of the state, yet I can be reasonable about this stuff and you can't.
by Malphe » Mon Nov 05, 2018 3:46 am
by RiderSyl » Mon Nov 05, 2018 4:15 am
Malphe wrote:Don't deny that some of the stuff that has been going on in TSP looks shady but even Cormac is being more rational about that this than you right now.
Malphe wrote:Do you have evidence for the accusations you're supporting, or do you just refuse to believe anything TSP says irrespective of the contents?
Malphe wrote:Is it inconceivable that TSP could be telling the truth, is it logical to always assume the worst?
by Glen-Rhodes » Mon Nov 05, 2018 5:44 am
Ever-Wandering Souls wrote:So you're saying you, the intelligence coordinator, had absolutely no role in a cabinet member being declared enough of a security threat to be excluded from some cabinet matters, as per cabinet member Somy?
by Vulturret » Sat Nov 10, 2018 11:52 pm
TSP Foreign Office wrote:[align=justify]Finally, the region The Ragerian Imperium shall be considered regionally proscribed. This region is a merger of several regions including the aforementioned H Y D R A and had included McMannia in a high-level leadership position up until very recently; this continuity may, on its own, qualify for a determination of hostility equal to that of H Y D R A.
Proscription Act wrote:(1) Any individual, region or organization that was or is actively involved or complicit in an attempt, successful or otherwise, to illegally overthrow the legitimate government of The South Pacific or its allies and partners, shall be considered hostile.
Proscription Act wrote:(2) Any individual, region or organization that has coordinated to exploit, manipulate, or unduly influence elections or votes in The South Pacific, or its allies and partners, on behalf of a foreign region or organization shall be considered hostile.
Proscription Act wrote:(3) Any individual, region or organization that has engaged in or has attempted to engage in coordinated espionage against The South Pacific or its allies and partners shall be considered hostile.
Proscription Act wrote:(4) Any individual, region or organization that has or has attempted to sabotage military operations of The South Pacific, outside of normal raiding and defending dynamics, shall be considered hostile.
TSP Foreign Office wrote:Furthermore, on July 26, 2018, Emperor Vulturret openly admitted on the NationStates Gameplay forum that they had considered, if not outright ordered, intelligence missions into the South Pacific, constituting hostility missions as per Section 3 (espionage).
Vulturret wrote:Admiral McMannia has done limitless incredible work for both HYDRA and TRI, and has come up with numerous awesome ideas for our intelligence and counter-intelligence missions pertaining to the South Pacific and other regions, but to suggest that he is the "mastermind of all hostilities" is laughable.
by Drop Your Pants » Sun Nov 11, 2018 2:06 am
by Vulturret » Sun Nov 11, 2018 2:25 am
Drop Your Pants wrote:Could have done without the R/D bashing in the first paragraph, drags the whole post down to usual GP standards.
by Kringalia » Sun Nov 11, 2018 7:51 am
Vulturret wrote:Firstly, I am confused as to why the Chief Justice didn't issue his reasoning for refusing the appeal of TRI's proscription in his refusal; that part made no sense to me. However, he gave me the option to ask for reasoning, which I did, and he provided me with the full ruling in a post made earlier today.
Vulturret wrote:Second, I respect the ruling of the Court, but I disagree with the Chief Justice on a purely legal basis, at least insofar as the interpretation of the Proscription Act is concerned. In his determination of justiciability, Chief Justice Kringalia cites Article 4 (1) of the Proscription Act, which reads as follows: "(1) Individuals subject to a proscription may challenge the issuing authority's determination of hostility in the High Court." The Chief Justice employs a fancified reading of (1) and an equally so determination of the definition of the word 'subject,' used in this case as an adjective, which I don't believe has any legal basis whatsoever. According to the relevant meaning in Merriam Webster's definition of the word 'subject,' "suffering a particularly liability or exposure," my appeal is indeed in total accordance with the provisions set out by the Proscription Act. With this in mind, Chief Justice Kringle had no legal basis for his denial of my appeal on behalf of TRI. This is because I am indeed "suffering a particular liability" (the definition of the word subject), due to the proscription of the Ragerian Imperium. This liability comes straight out of the Proscription Act: "(1) A regional proscription is a prohibition on an individuals or on all members of a region or organization from having a nation in any regions in the Coalition's jurisdiction." This is indeed an objective liability; I am being legally prevented from doing something based on a fancified reading of law that doesn't really have any basis in the literal definition of the word of the text. Therefore, I was in every right to appeal the "issuing authority's determination of hostility" in the High Court. I will turn to my advisers and explore legal options for appealing the Chief Justice's decision.
High Court wrote:In truth, the Court cannot say with full certainty that the Proscription Act allows for the appeal of regional proscriptions in the same way as individual proscriptions may be appealed. That does not mean that a legal challenge on this initial interpretation could not be considered, or that the Assembly could not pass clarifying language. This simply means that, under an initial reading of the Proscription Act, held to a different standard than that of a ruling to a fully argued and considered legal question, regional proscriptions lack a clear and unambiguous path towards being challenged.
by The Notorious Mad Jack » Sun Nov 11, 2018 8:06 am
Kringalia wrote:Vulturret wrote:Firstly, I am confused as to why the Chief Justice didn't issue his reasoning for refusing the appeal of TRI's proscription in his refusal; that part made no sense to me. However, he gave me the option to ask for reasoning, which I did, and he provided me with the full ruling in a post made earlier today.
In complete honesty, I do that because I'd rather not spend time writing a full opinion unless the submitter actually wants one. If one is asked, however, as was the case with your appeal, I am always happy to comply and explain the Court's reasoning.
by Lord Dominator » Sun Nov 11, 2018 2:33 pm
The Notorious Mad Jack wrote:Kringalia wrote:In complete honesty, I do that because I'd rather not spend time writing a full opinion unless the submitter actually wants one. If one is asked, however, as was the case with your appeal, I am always happy to comply and explain the Court's reasoning.
This is an odd approach.
by The Notorious Mad Jack » Sun Nov 11, 2018 4:05 pm
by Lord Dominator » Sun Nov 11, 2018 4:07 pm
The Notorious Mad Jack wrote:Lord Dominator wrote:Why? I don't find it unreasonable that someone not fully explain themselves unless someone actually wants to know why.
Because it comes off either as being too lazy to do what you'd really expect of a justice or it's basically saying that he knows the outcome before the reason why. Both should worry people concerned with the pursuit of real justice in TSP.
by The Notorious Mad Jack » Sun Nov 11, 2018 4:14 pm
Lord Dominator wrote:The Notorious Mad Jack wrote:Because it comes off either as being too lazy to do what you'd really expect of a justice or it's basically saying that he knows the outcome before the reason why. Both should worry people concerned with the pursuit of real justice in TSP.
Laziness perhaps I can see, but as far as I can tell Kringle is saying merely that he doesn't nescacarily write down the Court's opinion until someone wants it, not that it doesn't exist and the Court is writing stuff to justify it later.
by Kringalia » Sun Nov 11, 2018 5:05 pm
The Notorious Mad Jack wrote:Because it comes off either as being too lazy to do what you'd really expect of a justice
The Notorious Mad Jack wrote:or it's basically saying that he knows the outcome before the reason why.
by The Notorious Mad Jack » Sun Nov 11, 2018 5:06 pm
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