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by Hammer Britannia » Sun Oct 28, 2018 5:48 pm
by Trumptonium1 » Sun Oct 28, 2018 5:48 pm
by Torrocca » Sun Oct 28, 2018 5:48 pm
Thermodolia wrote:Torrocca wrote:
See: Bolsonaro. :^)
Furthermore, considering how heavily Fascism's been criticized for being unapologetically opportunistic and ideologically dishonest (and before we act like these are unfounded criticisms, the actions of the historical Fascist regimes and the credentials of the critics would easily prove that they're entirely founded on reality), it's not that hard to consider the environmentalism to be one of a million bullshit talking points meant to spur on support.
But, nah! Fascists would never ever ever EVER lie to get what they want! Why, that'd be uncouth!
The communists, the actual ones not your anarchists libertarian types, also lied to get what they wanted.
by Northern Davincia » Sun Oct 28, 2018 5:49 pm
Liriena wrote:Northern Davincia wrote:Do you expect me to support communists?
I assumed a principled libertarian would favor abstention.
I mean, when the 2015 Argie presidential election came down to neolib Macri and peronist Scioli, the actually, honestly principled communists called for left-wing voters to cast blank ballots. When pressed to choose between two incredibly flawed candidates, but one of which supported policies somewhere in the vicinity of their own, they refused to choose altogether. They stood by their ideals even when they knew it could (and did) partially lead to a victory for the most right-wing candidate with.
Why can't right-wing libertarians do the same? :thonk:
Torrocca wrote:United Muscovite Nations wrote:And the Pinochet and Videla support?
>Have the worst economic crisis in the history of your country
>slaughter thousands of people for not believing what you believe in
>"Pinochet was a Capitalist hero!!1!"
Ad infinitum, just change the name of the given dictator accordingly.
Conserative Morality wrote:"Two gin-scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Hoppe."
by Thermodolia » Sun Oct 28, 2018 5:49 pm
Liriena wrote:Torrocca wrote:
>Have the worst economic crisis in the history of your country
>slaughter thousands of people for not believing what you believe in
>"Pinochet was a Capitalist hero!!1!"
Ad infinitum, just change the name of the given dictator accordingly.
With Videla he wouldn't even be able to argue that it's all justified because of "muh economy", given that Videla's dictatorship left our economy in shambles after applying a bunch of neocon policies.
by Torrocca » Sun Oct 28, 2018 5:49 pm
by Liriena » Sun Oct 28, 2018 5:50 pm
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by Torrocca » Sun Oct 28, 2018 5:50 pm
Northern Davincia wrote:Liriena wrote:I assumed a principled libertarian would favor abstention.
I mean, when the 2015 Argie presidential election came down to neolib Macri and peronist Scioli, the actually, honestly principled communists called for left-wing voters to cast blank ballots. When pressed to choose between two incredibly flawed candidates, but one of which supported policies somewhere in the vicinity of their own, they refused to choose altogether. They stood by their ideals even when they knew it could (and did) partially lead to a victory for the most right-wing candidate with.
Why can't right-wing libertarians do the same? :thonk:
I've met too many right-libertarians who abstain from all voting, and I can't help but think of them as cowardly.Torrocca wrote:
>Have the worst economic crisis in the history of your country
>slaughter thousands of people for not believing what you believe in
>"Pinochet was a Capitalist hero!!1!"
Ad infinitum, just change the name of the given dictator accordingly.
And yet Chile hasn't removed Pinochet's economic policies.
I wonder why. :^)
by Thermodolia » Sun Oct 28, 2018 5:50 pm
by Liriena » Sun Oct 28, 2018 5:50 pm
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by Germanic Templars » Sun Oct 28, 2018 5:51 pm
Liriena wrote:Northern Davincia wrote:Do you expect me to support communists?
I assumed a principled libertarian would favor abstention.
I mean, when the 2015 Argie presidential election came down to neolib Macri and peronist Scioli, the actually, honestly principled communists called for left-wing voters to cast blank ballots. When pressed to choose between two incredibly flawed candidates, but one of which supported policies somewhere in the vicinity of their own, they refused to choose altogether. They stood by their ideals even when they knew it could (and did) partially lead to a victory for the most right-wing candidate with.
Why can't right-wing libertarians do the same? :thonk:
by Uxupox » Sun Oct 28, 2018 5:51 pm
Torrocca wrote:Northern Davincia wrote:I've met too many right-libertarians who abstain from all voting, and I can't help but think of them as cowardly.
And yet Chile hasn't removed Pinochet's economic policies.
I wonder why. :^)
Chile's had multiple leftist governments and economic reforms since Pinochet fucked off, actually. :^)
by Great Minarchistan » Sun Oct 28, 2018 5:52 pm
by Virgolia » Sun Oct 28, 2018 5:52 pm
Liriena wrote:Torrocca wrote:
>Have the worst economic crisis in the history of your country
>slaughter thousands of people for not believing what you believe in
>"Pinochet was a Capitalist hero!!1!"
Ad infinitum, just change the name of the given dictator accordingly.
With Videla he wouldn't even be able to argue that it's all justified because of "muh economy", given that Videla's dictatorship left our economy in shambles after applying a bunch of neocon policies.
by Liriena » Sun Oct 28, 2018 5:52 pm
Germanic Templars wrote:Liriena wrote:I assumed a principled libertarian would favor abstention.
I mean, when the 2015 Argie presidential election came down to neolib Macri and peronist Scioli, the actually, honestly principled communists called for left-wing voters to cast blank ballots. When pressed to choose between two incredibly flawed candidates, but one of which supported policies somewhere in the vicinity of their own, they refused to choose altogether. They stood by their ideals even when they knew it could (and did) partially lead to a victory for the most right-wing candidate with.
Why can't right-wing libertarians do the same? :thonk:
*Assumes all right-wing libs (we will call this "x") will not abstain from voting and will vote right-wing (we will call this "y").
The big oof ya did there, Lir.
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by Liriena » Sun Oct 28, 2018 5:53 pm
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by NeuPolska » Sun Oct 28, 2018 5:54 pm
Kar-Esseria wrote:Who is that and are they female because if not then they can go make love to their hand.
Impaled Nazarene wrote:Go home Polska wins NS.
United Mongol Hordes wrote:Polska isn't exactly the nicest guy in the world
Impaled Nazarene wrote:Hurd you miss the point more than Polska misses Poland.
Rhodesialund wrote:when you have Charlie ten feet away or something operating operationally.
Nirvash Type TheEND wrote:Gayla is living in 1985 but these guys are already in 1916
by Liriena » Sun Oct 28, 2018 5:54 pm
Virgolia wrote:Liriena wrote:With Videla he wouldn't even be able to argue that it's all justified because of "muh economy", given that Videla's dictatorship left our economy in shambles after applying a bunch of neocon policies.
That's whyt I'm worried about his economic policies,if he follows Videla's neolib example the whole region will be affected
I don't want to starve because brazilians are angry at leftists
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by Northern Davincia » Sun Oct 28, 2018 5:55 pm
Torrocca wrote:Northern Davincia wrote:I've met too many right-libertarians who abstain from all voting, and I can't help but think of them as cowardly.
And yet Chile hasn't removed Pinochet's economic policies.
I wonder why. :^)
Chile's had multiple leftist governments and economic reforms since Pinochet fucked off, actually. :^)
Conserative Morality wrote:"Two gin-scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Hoppe."
by Virgolia » Sun Oct 28, 2018 5:56 pm
Liriena wrote:Virgolia wrote:That's whyt I'm worried about his economic policies,if he follows Videla's neolib example the whole region will be affected
I don't want to starve because brazilians are angry at leftists
Unfortunately, "destroying the world to own the lefties" is a recurring problem around the world, but specially in the Americas. :/
by Uxupox » Sun Oct 28, 2018 5:56 pm
by Rio Cana » Sun Oct 28, 2018 5:56 pm
by Torrocca » Sun Oct 28, 2018 5:57 pm
NeuPolska wrote:Torrocca wrote:You'd think someone who swore an oath to the United States constitution of all things would be aghast at the prospect of a Fascist being elected to office somewhere, but apparently not.
>Fascist
People love to throw that term around at anyone that disagrees with them. What I see here is a right winger who is willing to fix the problems Brazil has been facing for years now, and build Brazil into a functioning society.
The right wing is inherently better for the common man
because things actually work under conservative policies.
Anything run by the government, meaning everything under communism, is inefficient, prone to corruption (which is already crippling in Brazil), and provides services of much worse quality than what capitalism offers.
by Great Minarchistan » Sun Oct 28, 2018 5:57 pm
by Torrocca » Sun Oct 28, 2018 5:58 pm
Great Minarchistan wrote:I'm laughing at the glance of half of the posters here that have clearly not read the textbook definition of fascism before hurling shit at bolsonaro
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