[PASSED] Condemn Chan Island

[Topid]

The "Moves Like Jagger" point at the end of 2013 / start of 2014 was BoM by my memory.

BoM and TSP.

Osiris and Balder were listed in the WFE, but I don't remember anything about TSP. TSP might have been added later, but they weren't there after update.

EDIT: Oh wait, I'm getting my stories crossed. This was when Escade was Del, and yes TSP was named specifically.

[Ransium]

If you are looking for additional stuff, during my time as RP officer Chan contributed to accounts and one longer RP. It has been established that Chan Island is home to bloodthirsty, lawless pirates that are something of a nuscience to their neighbors or indeed anyone transporting cargo nearby.

I've considered this thoroughly and gone back and forth a bit. Although this could easily be fit into the overall narrative, I just don't think the amount of RP Chan has participated in merits mention in the condemnation.

Also, when did BoM invade St Abby? Not doubting, just curious.

Chan tells me it was March 2014 and one of the very first things he did after joining the game.

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To be clear, I consider this condemnation to be mostly about issues. Chan has written 5th most of anyone (and 2 others are commended and another is Max) , and some of them are some of the better issues in the game. I felt given Chan's persona a condemn would be the appropriate honor, and I thought it would be fun to write an issues based condemnation, since I'm not aware of any others. I've included the raiding stuff (more accurately asked LD to write the raiding stuff for me) because I would not consider the condemnation complete without it, but I am under no illusions that Chan's raiding activity is sufficient to be condemned alone (although I trust other gameplayers who say Chan was one of the best pilers). But yeah, in the end, I'm here for the issues.

[RiderSyl]

I can confirm that Chan Island never used any of the illegal tools that TBR/DEN had, and that Chan Island served in BoM, TBR, and DEN (I was in all three). Chan was just a "foot-soldier", which is why they never got access to the illegal tools. Their Issues Authorship is definitely their more significant contribution to NS.

Full support. The more non-R/D proposals in the SC, the better.

[Wrapper]

I think you’re fine listing just the R/D bits you have. One grammar quibble from that section:

...among other prior to that organization's well-deserved destruction;

Make that “among others” and add a comma after that, for better readability.

Hey, you know better than me about WA things, but is "multiverse" an acceptable term in legislation? I thought we normally refer to the "world", to give NS some semblance of reality.

Multiverse is legal, on mobile so not going to quote but see here under rule 4, legal and illegal terms: viewtopic.php?p=3755837#p3755837

Confirmed, definitely legal.

[Ransium]

Made changes since Chan got a new issue published. I will implement other suggested changes tomorrow

[Sanjurika]

That scumbag deserves a condemnation.

Jk Chan, you're not scum

(This is Forest Turtle)

[Ransium]

Minor grammar fixes made at Wrapper and others suggestion.

[Ransium]

I’ll likely submit this in the next few days unless there’s a major issue brought up.

[Caracasus]

I’ll likely submit this in the next few days unless there’s a major issue brought up.

Good luck, and excellent detective work bringing this most sinister and evil conspiracy to light!

[The Marsupial Illuminati]

I see some minor issues in your draft.

Presenting the nation of Chan Island (which has re-branded itself in a desperate attempt to escape the crimes of its former regime Annihilators of Chan Island) a nation whose desire to spread chaos across all nations is so great that few leaders have been spared the vexation of dealing with its actions;

You should put a comma either right after 'the nation of Chan Island' or before 'a nation whose.'

Shocked to trace at least twenty-four distinct covert operations that impact nations across the multiverse to the regime (fifteen of which originate from the Annihilators of Chan Island and the remaining nine can be traced to Chan Island);

The part in bold shouldn't be an independent clause, since it doesn't sound right that way. I suggest:

(fifteen of which originate from the Annihilators of Chan Island with the remaining nine being from Chan Island)

If you so choose, you can change 'being' to a more interesting word.

Hereby condemns Chan Island

This is only a stylistic suggestion. Capitalize 'condemns.'

Ultimately, I support this resolution, of course. Chan has contributed a lot to NationStates and deserves this recognition.

[Wrapper]

Sigh. Editors.

(1) If you're going to add a comma as MI suggests, it goes after the parenthetical clause, not before.

(2) How about "(fifteen originating from the Annihilators of Chan Island, nine from Chan Island)"? You already have the "Shocked to trace etc." in the main clause, you don't need to repeat it or say anything equivalent to it or expand upon it in the parenthetical clause. It's just too wordy that way.

(3) Don't capitalize "condemns". That's the mark of an amateur SC author.

[The Confederate Territory]

Your proposal has my support, Ransium

[Lord Dominator]

[*]Occupational support of DEN's occupations in Paradoxia, GTA Forums, Power Is Rising, and Japan, among many other prior to

'other' still needs a 's' here

[Ransium]

Changes made. I'll probably submit this tomorrow.

[Ransium]

This proposal has been submitted. I even managed to only approve the proposal rather than marking it legal on accident again, but just barely.

[Jutsa]

Absolutely incredible.

[Wrapper]

This proposal has been submitted. I even managed to only approve the proposal rather than marking it legal on accident again, but just barely.

Fun times.

Quorum's attained, this will go to vote next update. Good luck!

[Ziotah and Riverside]

We fully support this motion. Chan Island's nefarious deeds must not go unpunished!

[Lt Col Tahir Hussain]

No evidence were presented.
How can the international community act on "a draft which appears to be garnished with attractive terms" but "is unable to consolidate its position by providing no evidence, whatsoever".

[Lt Col Tahir Hussain]

No evidence were presented.
How can the international community act on "a draft which appears to be garnished with attractive terms" but "is unable to consolidate its position by providing no evidence, whatsoever".

"wherein Chan Island repeatedly leaked information in order to force national leaders into the impossible position of either killing innocent children in a drone strike"
Are national leaders dumb and dead? Does the nation not have any intelligence agency which may capable of validating the information "which they believe is being fed to them"?

[Caracasus]

No evidence were presented.
How can the international community act on "a draft which appears to be garnished with attractive terms" but "is unable to consolidate its position by providing no evidence, whatsoever".

Go to the Got Issues forum, click on the published issues megathread and run a keyword search for chan island. That's your evidence for the first section.

I can personally confirm the 'have war crimes will travel' issue as I edited it (and a lot of fun it was too!)

For the second section, see the last couplea pages where prominent raiders quibble slightly over Chan Island's invovlement and how best to word it.

[Lord Dominator]

No evidence were presented.
How can the international community act on "a draft which appears to be garnished with attractive terms" but "is unable to consolidate its position by providing no evidence, whatsoever".

Go to the Got Issues forum, click on the published issues megathread and run a keyword search for chan island. That's your evidence for the first section.

I can personally confirm the 'have war crimes will travel' issue as I edited it (and a lot of fun it was too!)

For the second section, see the last couplea pages where prominent raiders quibble slightly over Chan Island's invovlement and how best to word it.

And based on some conversations offsite, it's actually possible that some of that could be a bit understated, but I'm not completely sure

[Caracasus]

No evidence were presented.
How can the international community act on "a draft which appears to be garnished with attractive terms" but "is unable to consolidate its position by providing no evidence, whatsoever".

"wherein Chan Island repeatedly leaked information in order to force national leaders into the impossible position of either killing innocent children in a drone strike"
Are national leaders dumb and dead? Does the nation not have any intelligence agency which may capable of validating the information "which they believe is being fed to them"?

You are I think mistaking narrative framing here. Chan Island is being recognised for their contributions to the game. These are largely writing issues and raiding. We can't say 'commending because of issues they wrote' so instead issues are framed as part as a narrative. In the case of Chan Island, neferious trickery and spying works really well as a narrative device.

The part you are referencing here is dealing with an issue Chan Island wrote.

[Mountain Ash Forests]

Voting against. Not happy to see a valued member of my region getting a condemnation. Even if it's a joke.

[Furry Things]

Definitely voting for, mostly because it's a lot more fun and interesting that anything else that's been in SC in the last few months.