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New Bremerton
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Ex-Nation

Postby New Bremerton » Thu Oct 04, 2018 12:52 pm

Just received Gagium's telegram. This liberation proposal is definitely an unwarranted witch hunt against an innocent region. My position remains unchanged.
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Hamstan
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Postby Hamstan » Thu Oct 04, 2018 12:52 pm

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Visionary Union
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Founded: Sep 16, 2018
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Visionary Union » Thu Oct 04, 2018 1:15 pm

New Bremerton wrote:Just received Gagium's telegram. This liberation proposal is definitely an unwarranted witch hunt against an innocent region. My position remains unchanged.

Odd, when I pressed for answers all I got was radio silence.
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Thuzbekistan
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Postby Thuzbekistan » Thu Oct 04, 2018 1:37 pm

Clodius wrote:
Thuzbekistan wrote:Raiding is still the dumbest thing to ever be done here. Ti think people like destroying communities.

Raiders are the only thing the SC should be against.

Raiders don't like destroying communities, they just roleplay that they do. Besides, the SC shouldn't be against a particular ideology.

Raiding isnt an ideology. It's an action taken by one or more regions against other regions. As such, it falls perfectly within the realm of an interregional body.

And rp or no, destroying rp dedicated regions is nothing but destructive.
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Lalop
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Founded: Sep 08, 2018
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Postby Lalop » Thu Oct 04, 2018 1:53 pm

Ha! People are starting to see through the commies lies! Like how there calling us racist in the bill but the region isn't even tagged that. SAD! But thank you our WA Del. just went from 34 to 41 endorsements in a day cuz of this!
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The Tri State Area and Maine
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Postby The Tri State Area and Maine » Thu Oct 04, 2018 1:55 pm

Lalop wrote:Ha! People are starting to see through the commies lies! Like how there calling us racist in the bill but the region isn't even tagged that. SAD! But thank you our WA Del. just went from 34 to 41 endorsements in a day cuz of this!


I don't think a region could be tagged Racist. Even if it could, why would you do it?

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Old Hope
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Postby Old Hope » Thu Oct 04, 2018 2:03 pm

The Tri State Area and Maine wrote:
Lalop wrote:Ha! People are starting to see through the commies lies! Like how there calling us racist in the bill but the region isn't even tagged that. SAD! But thank you our WA Del. just went from 34 to 41 endorsements in a day cuz of this!


I don't think a region could be tagged Racist. Even if it could, why would you do it?

A region can be tagged Fascist, though:https://www.nationstates.net/page=tag_search/tag=fascist?censusid=255
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The Tri State Area and Maine
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Postby The Tri State Area and Maine » Thu Oct 04, 2018 2:07 pm

Old Hope wrote:
The Tri State Area and Maine wrote:
I don't think a region could be tagged Racist. Even if it could, why would you do it?

A region can be tagged Fascist, though:https://www.nationstates.net/page=tag_search/tag=fascist?censusid=255


He probably meant that, then. Even so, my question still stands.

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Gagium
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Postby Gagium » Thu Oct 04, 2018 2:08 pm

Lalop wrote:Ha! People are starting to see through the commies lies! Like how there calling us racist in the bill but the region isn't even tagged that. SAD! But thank you our WA Del. just went from 34 to 41 endorsements in a day cuz of this!

I think it’s because [nation]New Waldensia sent a telegram to WA nations that haven’t endorsed our delegate yet.[/nation]
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Reploid Productions
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Postby Reploid Productions » Thu Oct 04, 2018 2:18 pm

As the proposal currently at vote was submitted by a cheater operating multiple WA nations at the time of submission (nor is this Crimsonfield's first time doing so,) the proposal has been marked Discard. In addition, both Crimsonfield and his partner-in-cheating Tiyrannus are barred for one year from the WA.

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Lord Dominator
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Postby Lord Dominator » Thu Oct 04, 2018 2:18 pm

Thuzbekistan wrote:
Clodius wrote:Raiders don't like destroying communities, they just roleplay that they do. Besides, the SC shouldn't be against a particular ideology.

Raiding isnt an ideology. It's an action taken by one or more regions against other regions. As such, it falls perfectly within the realm of an interregional body.

And rp or no, destroying rp dedicated regions is nothing but destructive.

Yes, destroying does tend to be nothing but destructive :roll:

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Lord Dominator
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Postby Lord Dominator » Thu Oct 04, 2018 2:18 pm

Reploid Productions wrote:As the proposal currently at vote was submitted by a cheater operating multiple WA nations at the time of submission (nor is this Crimsonfield's first time doing so,) the proposal has been marked Discard. In addition, both Crimsonfield and his partner-in-cheating Tiyrannus are barred for one year from the WA.

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Gagium
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Postby Gagium » Thu Oct 04, 2018 2:28 pm

Reploid Productions wrote:As the proposal currently at vote was submitted by a cheater operating multiple WA nations at the time of submission (nor is this Crimsonfield's first time doing so,) the proposal has been marked Discard. In addition, both Crimsonfield and his partner-in-cheating Tiyrannus are barred for one year from the WA.

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Why the hell am I not surprised?

Right, that’s because they threatened it two weeks ago
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Viridus
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Postby Viridus » Thu Oct 04, 2018 2:29 pm

Reploid Productions wrote:As the proposal currently at vote was submitted by a cheater operating multiple WA nations at the time of submission (nor is this Crimsonfield's first time doing so,) the proposal has been marked Discard. In addition, both Crimsonfield and his partner-in-cheating Tiyrannus are barred for one year from the WA.

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Thank you, luckily it wasn't going to pass anyways, but I'm glad that the cheaters got caught
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Gagium
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Postby Gagium » Thu Oct 04, 2018 2:33 pm

Eh, so it turns out it was the lying UCS the whole time. I get the whole ‘revenge on the FCN for them exposing your RL crimes’ thing, but this disgusting revenge proposal proposed on a WA-multi’ing nation, with the support of the UCS’ WA delegate? This is a disgusting misuse of the SC as well as a disgusting manipulation of the entire body composing the WA.

I knew, or at least suspected, that it was the UCS, and had suspicions about their WA multi’ing in the past. I am absolutely THUNDERSTRUCK at this news though, that it wasn’t just an affiliate of Crimsonfield and the UCS, it was their WA delegate and him himself.
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New Waldensia
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Founded: Feb 18, 2017
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Postby New Waldensia » Thu Oct 04, 2018 2:38 pm

Reploid Productions wrote:As the proposal currently at vote was submitted by a cheater operating multiple WA nations at the time of submission (nor is this Crimsonfield's first time doing so,) the proposal has been marked Discard. In addition, both Crimsonfield and his partner-in-cheating Tiyrannus are barred for one year from the WA.

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Surprise, surprise...

Actually, the only surprise is that San Carlos Islands (aka Colorado-Kansas of 'soiled' fame) wasn't caught up in the multying.
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Postby Kavagrad » Thu Oct 04, 2018 2:40 pm

Reploid Productions wrote:As the proposal currently at vote was submitted by a cheater operating multiple WA nations at the time of submission (nor is this Crimsonfield's first time doing so,) the proposal has been marked Discard. In addition, both Crimsonfield and his partner-in-cheating Tiyrannus are barred for one year from the WA.

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Based on the WA puppets that just got stripped from UCS, and the fact that they all received the same endorsement upon entry, it seems extremely likely that San Carlos Islands was, at the very least, aware of these actions, if not actively involved in this scheme. Is there any action that could be taken on this?
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All Wild Things
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Founded: Apr 24, 2017
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Postby All Wild Things » Thu Oct 04, 2018 2:42 pm

Kuriko wrote:
Clodius wrote:Why? Why is it stupid to protect all ideologies from Security Council intervention? What makes fascists, Nazis, homophobes, and racists any more deserving of protection than raiders? Why are the people who snatch others internet property somehow worse than those who actively advocate for the destruction of real, actual people?

What's stupid of the idea that we shouldn't intervene against genocidal authoritarians but should intervene against those sick bastards who DARE change a region's WFE and embassies. Because, you know, internet graffiti is evil and wrong.

Its not just graffiti, its the destruction of communities that grew up over months and sometimes even years. You should get your facts straight before coming into the SC, which is highly anti-raider when it comes to raid occupations. Also, raiding and defending are not comparable to what you're comparing them to so you should stop. Raiders raid because they either want to have fun or because they like being internet bad guys, defenders defend because they either want to have fun or because they morraly think its wrong to raid and destroy communities. There's no ideology involved unless its left vs right, or similar things like a made up NS ideology against another NS ideology.

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Reploid Productions
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Postby Reploid Productions » Thu Oct 04, 2018 2:50 pm

Kavagrad wrote:
Reploid Productions wrote:As the proposal currently at vote was submitted by a cheater operating multiple WA nations at the time of submission (nor is this Crimsonfield's first time doing so,) the proposal has been marked Discard. In addition, both Crimsonfield and his partner-in-cheating Tiyrannus are barred for one year from the WA.

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Based on the WA puppets that just got stripped from UCS, and the fact that they all received the same endorsement upon entry, it seems extremely likely that San Carlos Islands was, at the very least, aware of these actions, if not actively involved in this scheme. Is there any action that could be taken on this?

Whether San Carlos was aware of it or not isn't a moderation matter. We have no way to verify what a player did or did not know, and "not reporting something" has never been a moderation offense.
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Kavagrad
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Postby Kavagrad » Thu Oct 04, 2018 2:51 pm

Reploid Productions wrote:
Kavagrad wrote:Based on the WA puppets that just got stripped from UCS, and the fact that they all received the same endorsement upon entry, it seems extremely likely that San Carlos Islands was, at the very least, aware of these actions, if not actively involved in this scheme. Is there any action that could be taken on this?

Whether San Carlos was aware of it or not isn't a moderation matter. We have no way to verify what a player did or did not know, and "not reporting something" has never been a moderation offense.

Okay, then. Thanks for the quick response.
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RiderSyl
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Postby RiderSyl » Thu Oct 04, 2018 2:51 pm

Well, this wasn't a good idea from the get-go. The fact it was submitted illegally is just the cherry on top.
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Quebecshire
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Postby Quebecshire » Thu Oct 04, 2018 2:53 pm

Reploid Productions wrote:
Kavagrad wrote:Based on the WA puppets that just got stripped from UCS, and the fact that they all received the same endorsement upon entry, it seems extremely likely that San Carlos Islands was, at the very least, aware of these actions, if not actively involved in this scheme. Is there any action that could be taken on this?

Whether San Carlos was aware of it or not isn't a moderation matter. We have no way to verify what a player did or did not know, and "not reporting something" has never been a moderation offense.

For the sake of confirmation if you are able to provide it, by Tiyrannus, you are referring to Ghost of Tiyrannus Three?
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Postby Reploid Productions » Thu Oct 04, 2018 2:59 pm

Quebecshire wrote:
Reploid Productions wrote:Whether San Carlos was aware of it or not isn't a moderation matter. We have no way to verify what a player did or did not know, and "not reporting something" has never been a moderation offense.

For the sake of confirmation if you are able to provide it, by Tiyrannus, you are referring to Ghost of Tiyrannus Three?

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Postby Jar Wattinree » Thu Oct 04, 2018 3:01 pm

RiderSyl wrote:Well, this wasn't a good idea from the get-go. The fact it was submitted illegally is just the cherry on top.

Hooray this fiasco of a resolution is deat.
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Postby Quebecshire » Thu Oct 04, 2018 3:01 pm

Reploid Productions wrote:
Quebecshire wrote:For the sake of confirmation if you are able to provide it, by Tiyrannus, you are referring to Ghost of Tiyrannus Three?

Eeyup. And 'The United Australian States' as well.

Are you saying The United Australian States was an account of The Ghost of Tiyrannus Three or they simply operated together?
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