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by New Bremerton » Wed Oct 03, 2018 12:40 am
by Boisonia » Wed Oct 03, 2018 12:46 am
The Sect Meces wrote:Boisonia wrote:99 times out of 100 bigots will deny their support for bigoted views, people, and ideologies when communicating with the general public and non-bigots.
So if I say you're a bigot and you deny it does that mean there's a 99% chance you're a bigot? Logic's flawed.
On another note if I could see the evidence that'd be great!
by Ravendi » Wed Oct 03, 2018 2:59 am
by Lalop » Wed Oct 03, 2018 4:29 am
by Caracasus » Wed Oct 03, 2018 4:58 am
New Bremerton wrote:I should have voted for the liberation of the CCD instead of allowing my personal feelings with regards to ideological double standards and leftist hypocrisy to get the better of me. It's going to be really tricky for my nation to avoid being seen as IC hypocrites now, especially since I'll be voting against this proposal, but voting FOR any legal (and well-written) proposal to liberate The Communist Bloc.
by Kavagrad » Wed Oct 03, 2018 5:14 am
Lalop wrote:All of those racists and such are now in the UCS-Crimsonfelild-Trednado-San Carlos ETC. Can you please offensilvy lib them...
by United Massachusetts » Wed Oct 03, 2018 5:20 am
by Thuzbekistan » Wed Oct 03, 2018 5:21 am
by Caracasus » Wed Oct 03, 2018 5:25 am
Kavagrad wrote:Lalop wrote:All of those racists and such are now in the UCS-Crimsonfelild-Trednado-San Carlos ETC. Can you please offensilvy lib them...
I'm not sure how many more times I need to mention that Gagium and Viridus were both involved in racism in the FCN server. I can TG you proof of that, too, if yiu'd like.
by LiberNovusAmericae » Wed Oct 03, 2018 5:26 am
Kavagrad wrote:Lalop wrote:All of those racists and such are now in the UCS-Crimsonfelild-Trednado-San Carlos ETC. Can you please offensilvy lib them...
I'm not sure how many more times I need to mention that Gagium and Viridus were both involved in racism in the FCN server. I can TG you proof of that, too, if yiu'd like.
by Kavagrad » Wed Oct 03, 2018 5:26 am
United Massachusetts wrote:With regards to the present SC at-vote, I actually know most of the FCN leadership, and you have to understand that there was recently a major purge of nations who attempted to DDoS the regional President. Most of these nations were the more "edgy" nations you hear about. And they've made great strides towards combating the more frightening elements within the region. Case in point -- the regional flag. Before the worse people were ejected, they forced the confederate flag. Now, without said elements, the flag has been reverted to a flag of liberty. The private channels referenced have been cooled off significantly, and the founder, a moderate conservative himself, has expressed excitement over this fact. Give the FCN a chance. They had the burden of being infested with awful people (and most regional regulars acknowledge as much), and, I've talked to the founder personally about the matter, he was actually relieved by the decline in questionable content. I have no doubt that this reform will continue, and we certainly shouldn't harden them with a liberation.
Does the FCN still have problems? Absolutely. Is is making progress? Yes, it is.
by United Massachusetts » Wed Oct 03, 2018 5:26 am
Caracasus wrote:\
Now at some point, several of the offenders were removed. Here however is the important part. They were not removed because of their posts on discord, they were removed due to an attempted power play they took part in. The report I was sent mentions nothing of their language used or conduct on discord - it is clearly their power grab that led to their removal, not their conduct otherwise.
We have a region whose founder actively participates in racism, antisemitism and homophobia and encourages an atmosphere of such due to his participation and acceptance of it. At best he is weak willed and has caved into social pressure from full blown racists etc. at worse he fully agrees and is on board with it. Neither looks good at all.
I will say something in defense of some members including New Waldensia who sent the screenshot. Unlike their founder, at least one member had the common decency to stand up to this and took a hard stand on Discord over it, which I personally believe deserves recognition. However given the rot goes as far as the founder of the region, I do not think their intervention (as well intentioned and noble as it is) has or will work.
by United Massachusetts » Wed Oct 03, 2018 5:27 am
Kavagrad wrote:United Massachusetts wrote:With regards to the present SC at-vote, I actually know most of the FCN leadership, and you have to understand that there was recently a major purge of nations who attempted to DDoS the regional President. Most of these nations were the more "edgy" nations you hear about. And they've made great strides towards combating the more frightening elements within the region. Case in point -- the regional flag. Before the worse people were ejected, they forced the confederate flag. Now, without said elements, the flag has been reverted to a flag of liberty. The private channels referenced have been cooled off significantly, and the founder, a moderate conservative himself, has expressed excitement over this fact. Give the FCN a chance. They had the burden of being infested with awful people (and most regional regulars acknowledge as much), and, I've talked to the founder personally about the matter, he was actually relieved by the decline in questionable content. I have no doubt that this reform will continue, and we certainly shouldn't harden them with a liberation.
Does the FCN still have problems? Absolutely. Is is making progress? Yes, it is.
Have you seen the screenshots that form the basis of this proposal? Given the seniority of the people involved, and the fact that many remain in the region, including that "moderate conservative" Founder (and jeez, his stuff is bad), I'd more than a little doubtful of any claims towards reforming the region. If you haven't seen the TGs, please let me know, I'm more than happy to show you exactly why the empty platitudes and non-apologies coming from FCN should be taken with a truckload of salt.
by Kavagrad » Wed Oct 03, 2018 5:29 am
United Massachusetts wrote:Kavagrad wrote:Have you seen the screenshots that form the basis of this proposal? Given the seniority of the people involved, and the fact that many remain in the region, including that "moderate conservative" Founder (and jeez, his stuff is bad), I'd more than a little doubtful of any claims towards reforming the region. If you haven't seen the TGs, please let me know, I'm more than happy to show you exactly why the empty platitudes and non-apologies coming from FCN should be taken with a truckload of salt.
Please do send them to me. I'm heavily involved in a region that is and has been an FCN ally.
by Caracasus » Wed Oct 03, 2018 5:33 am
United Massachusetts wrote:Caracasus wrote:\
Now at some point, several of the offenders were removed. Here however is the important part. They were not removed because of their posts on discord, they were removed due to an attempted power play they took part in. The report I was sent mentions nothing of their language used or conduct on discord - it is clearly their power grab that led to their removal, not their conduct otherwise.
We have a region whose founder actively participates in racism, antisemitism and homophobia and encourages an atmosphere of such due to his participation and acceptance of it. At best he is weak willed and has caved into social pressure from full blown racists etc. at worse he fully agrees and is on board with it. Neither looks good at all.
I will say something in defense of some members including New Waldensia who sent the screenshot. Unlike their founder, at least one member had the common decency to stand up to this and took a hard stand on Discord over it, which I personally believe deserves recognition. However given the rot goes as far as the founder of the region, I do not think their intervention (as well intentioned and noble as it is) has or will work.
The Founder expressed his private discontent, frustration, and disgust with these elements within his region (most of whom were edgy teenagers). The FCN made a mistake by not ejecting them earlier, yes. But you should know that significant progress has been made, and the founder has told me privately that he's going to try to prevent toxic elements from popping up in the future.
I think New Wald's name is being unfairly tied to these groups to an excessive degree.
by United Massachusetts » Wed Oct 03, 2018 5:40 am
Caracasus wrote:United Massachusetts wrote:
The Founder expressed his private discontent, frustration, and disgust with these elements within his region (most of whom were edgy teenagers). The FCN made a mistake by not ejecting them earlier, yes. But you should know that significant progress has been made, and the founder has told me privately that he's going to try to prevent toxic elements from popping up in the future.
I think New Wald's name is being unfairly tied to these groups to an excessive degree.
I may not have expressed myself well enough there, so apologies. Honestly, having seen the screenshot where New Waldensia took a strong stance against a photograph of black men being lynched accompanied by laughing and joking I've got some time for them, as I would to anyone standing up to the sheer hatred of ethnic minorities and gay people.
However, that doesn't change the fact that the founder was in on it up to their necks. At best they caved to peer pressure and racism and joined in with the bigger boys. At worse they agree with it. Either makes me think that this is a region where the rot simply has gone too far now.
by Caracasus » Wed Oct 03, 2018 5:42 am
United Massachusetts wrote:Caracasus wrote:
I may not have expressed myself well enough there, so apologies. Honestly, having seen the screenshot where New Waldensia took a strong stance against a photograph of black men being lynched accompanied by laughing and joking I've got some time for them, as I would to anyone standing up to the sheer hatred of ethnic minorities and gay people.
However, that doesn't change the fact that the founder was in on it up to their necks. At best they caved to peer pressure and racism and joined in with the bigger boys. At worse they agree with it. Either makes me think that this is a region where the rot simply has gone too far now.
I should note that by the Founder, I refer to the Founder of the FCN's predecesor region, which is New Wald. For an intents and purposes, New Wald is the regional founder. Apologies for the difficulties.
by Calamari » Wed Oct 03, 2018 5:43 am
United Massachusetts wrote:I think New Wald's name is being unfairly tied to these groups to an excessive degree.
by United Massachusetts » Wed Oct 03, 2018 5:48 am
Caracasus wrote:United Massachusetts wrote:I should note that by the Founder, I refer to the Founder of the FCN's predecesor region, which is New Wald. For an intents and purposes, New Wald is the regional founder. Apologies for the difficulties.
Ahh right, in that case no, they really don't deserve or warrant being associated with the founder of the FCN at all.
by Caracasus » Wed Oct 03, 2018 5:49 am
Calamari wrote:United Massachusetts wrote:I think New Wald's name is being unfairly tied to these groups to an excessive degree.
This is an attempt to go after people they don’t like, of course they’re trying to antagonize everyone involved.
Now to everyone:
Regardless that an astounding 0 people have actually been harmed, lynched, killed, etc because a few people (that you don’t even know the ethnicity of) said a no-no word, are you really ok with setting (or continuing) a precedent that the Security Council is a weapon to attack the people you have a vendetta against?
Also I haven’t seen this yet, but all of this is happening on a third party website, it’s not like they’re using the no-no word on site.
PS PS: doctoring discord screenshots is super easy, if you’ve got time I can get screenshots of you saying all sorts of vehement things in about 30 minutes.
by United Massachusetts » Wed Oct 03, 2018 5:49 am
Calamari wrote:United Massachusetts wrote:I think New Wald's name is being unfairly tied to these groups to an excessive degree.
This is an attempt to go after people they don’t like, of course they’re trying to antagonize everyone involved.
Now to everyone:
Regardless that an astounding 0 people have actually been harmed, lynched, killed, etc because a few people (that you don’t even know the ethnicity of) said a no-no word, are you really ok with setting (or continuing) a precedent that the Security Council is a weapon to attack the people you have a vendetta against?
Also I haven’t seen this yet, but all of this is happening on a third party website, it’s not like they’re using the no-no word on site.
PS PS: doctoring discord screenshots is super easy, if you’ve got time I can get screenshots of you saying all sorts of vehement things in about 30 minutes.
by LiberNovusAmericae » Wed Oct 03, 2018 5:52 am
by United Massachusetts » Wed Oct 03, 2018 5:53 am
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:I've seen the evidence and while only a few of the disgusting posts I seen came from Gagium, it does appear that he joined in to some degree. While most of the grotesque posts came from others, he shouldn't have joined in. Now, I'm now going to join their discord server to see how much of this is still going on.
by The Nexus Union » Wed Oct 03, 2018 6:12 am
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