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by Zukchiva » Mon Sep 03, 2018 1:56 pm
by Lord Dominator » Mon Sep 03, 2018 2:00 pm
by North Prarie » Mon Sep 03, 2018 2:03 pm
Lord Dominator wrote:And now we have a least a couple TSPers asking that the evidence be released (on the Discord)
Interesting stuff
Zukchiva wrote:First of all, I'm completely and totally aware of my irrelevance to this issue. Never even gone on TSP forums before this occurred, and in the general ways of Nationstates, still a relatively new player. So I'll be keeping the majority of stance on this personal and private.
However, I want to reinforce a point that keeps being brought up again and again.
The TSP Admins, by the words of pretty much everyone who have posted on this thread (or most), have not shown any to little evidence to Tim and Escade on why they were banned.
The only (main) representation being shown is Glen speaking on the side of the admins. However multiple people have put Glen in a bad light (whether true or not, those statements made about him), so Glen's statements seem rather lacking in creditability. Along with the fact that the team keeps (by the words of a few here) changing the story of why the evidence is classified.
From a person who has not been involved in this at all, this honestly seems like a crowd of people asking for evidence about the questionable actions of an admin team who may have done their duty incorrectly. Instead of providing evidence which should be easily obtainable, that team keeps trying to explain events without any evidence to back their claims up to a bunch of people who don't believe its words. And the team keeps doing it anyway when clear evidence could have solved this dispute so long ago.
Using logic, it's obvious that the TSP admin team is either a) being extremely stingy with evidence for no apparent reason, or b) has little or no evidence to give and is trying to support their actions solely with their own words- words not many people believe-. As Cormactopia Prime stated, either way, it's pretty pointless to keep arguing here. It would take something bigger than arguments on the NS Forums to change the TSP admin team's mind about this matter.
Which makes my statement hypocritical, but call it an impulse I've been having, to share the way I've seen things on this thread for a while
I just did it at a pointless and most likely bad time. I'll run off now!
Back to lurking in TEP :>
Kurnugia wrote:Glen-Rhodes wrote:Now, we’re going to go about fixing as much damage to our community and culture as we can. The peanut gallery will do what they always do.
Cool then go away from the NS forums and go on fixing your community. You have, as things stands now, clearly lost the court of public opinion. Not that you care about this.
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by Lord Dominator » Mon Sep 03, 2018 2:08 pm
by Hesskin Empire » Mon Sep 03, 2018 2:08 pm
North Prarie wrote:Lord Dominator wrote:And now we have a least a couple TSPers asking that the evidence be released (on the Discord)
Interesting stuff
........how do you know?Zukchiva wrote:First of all, I'm completely and totally aware of my irrelevance to this issue. Never even gone on TSP forums before this occurred, and in the general ways of Nationstates, still a relatively new player. So I'll be keeping the majority of stance on this personal and private.
However, I want to reinforce a point that keeps being brought up again and again.
The TSP Admins, by the words of pretty much everyone who have posted on this thread (or most), have not shown any to little evidence to Tim and Escade on why they were banned.
The only (main) representation being shown is Glen speaking on the side of the admins. However multiple people have put Glen in a bad light (whether true or not, those statements made about him), so Glen's statements seem rather lacking in creditability. Along with the fact that the team keeps (by the words of a few here) changing the story of why the evidence is classified.
From a person who has not been involved in this at all, this honestly seems like a crowd of people asking for evidence about the questionable actions of an admin team who may have done their duty incorrectly. Instead of providing evidence which should be easily obtainable, that team keeps trying to explain events without any evidence to back their claims up to a bunch of people who don't believe its words. And the team keeps doing it anyway when clear evidence could have solved this dispute so long ago.
Using logic, it's obvious that the TSP admin team is either a) being extremely stingy with evidence for no apparent reason, or b) has little or no evidence to give and is trying to support their actions solely with their own words- words not many people believe-. As Cormactopia Prime stated, either way, it's pretty pointless to keep arguing here. It would take something bigger than arguments on the NS Forums to change the TSP admin team's mind about this matter.
Which makes my statement hypocritical, but call it an impulse I've been having, to share the way I've seen things on this thread for a while
I just did it at a pointless and most likely bad time. I'll run off now!
Back to lurking in TEP :>
I agree with you on most points, but just want you to know that most of the people in this thread are people who hate TSP anyway
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by Ever-Wandering Souls » Mon Sep 03, 2018 2:17 pm
Zukchiva wrote:it's pretty pointless to keep arguing here. It would take something bigger than arguments on the NS Forums to change the TSP admin team's mind about this matter.
North Prarie wrote:1. Go away and let people who have no idea what they're talking about slander our region? No way! Our administration has been actually pretty radio silent on this matter, so we've pretty much done what you've asked.
2. We have done a lot to fix our community by these bans.
The Alicorns (Equestria) wrote:Let them stay, no need to badmouth them...From our view a bunch of nations just came in, seized the delegate position, and changed a few superficial things...we play NationStates differently...there's really no reason for us to be butthurt.
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=8944227
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=8951258
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by Kurnugia » Mon Sep 03, 2018 2:41 pm
North Prarie wrote:1. Go away and let people who have no idea what they're talking about slander our region? No way! Our administration has been actually pretty radio silent on this matter, so we've pretty much done what you've asked.
2. We have done a lot to fix our community by these bans.
by Kyrusia » Mon Sep 03, 2018 4:13 pm
[violet] wrote:Harassment/Griefing: Harassing/griefing a nation or region because of their words or actions is forbidden regardless - in telegrams, Regional Messageboard (RMB) posts, and on the forums.
*Accusations of misconduct that may bring real world repercussions outside of NationStates do not belong in public spaces on NationStates and will be punished as harassment. Players may post, in general terms, about factual repercussions taken in response (I.e. removal from a region or regional position), but may not go into details or link to material that does.
by Fauxia » Mon Sep 03, 2018 8:38 pm
North Prarie wrote:I agree with you on most points, but just want you to know that most of the people in this thread are people who hate TSP anyway
by Cosmopolitan borovan » Mon Sep 03, 2018 9:03 pm
North Prarie wrote:Lord Dominator wrote:And now we have a least a couple TSPers asking that the evidence be released (on the Discord)
Interesting stuff
........how do you know?Zukchiva wrote:First of all, I'm completely and totally aware of my irrelevance to this issue. Never even gone on TSP forums before this occurred, and in the general ways of Nationstates, still a relatively new player. So I'll be keeping the majority of stance on this personal and private.
However, I want to reinforce a point that keeps being brought up again and again.
The TSP Admins, by the words of pretty much everyone who have posted on this thread (or most), have not shown any to little evidence to Tim and Escade on why they were banned.
The only (main) representation being shown is Glen speaking on the side of the admins. However multiple people have put Glen in a bad light (whether true or not, those statements made about him), so Glen's statements seem rather lacking in creditability. Along with the fact that the team keeps (by the words of a few here) changing the story of why the evidence is classified.
From a person who has not been involved in this at all, this honestly seems like a crowd of people asking for evidence about the questionable actions of an admin team who may have done their duty incorrectly. Instead of providing evidence which should be easily obtainable, that team keeps trying to explain events without any evidence to back their claims up to a bunch of people who don't believe its words. And the team keeps doing it anyway when clear evidence could have solved this dispute so long ago.
Using logic, it's obvious that the TSP admin team is either a) being extremely stingy with evidence for no apparent reason, or b) has little or no evidence to give and is trying to support their actions solely with their own words- words not many people believe-. As Cormactopia Prime stated, either way, it's pretty pointless to keep arguing here. It would take something bigger than arguments on the NS Forums to change the TSP admin team's mind about this matter.
Which makes my statement hypocritical, but call it an impulse I've been having, to share the way I've seen things on this thread for a while
I just did it at a pointless and most likely bad time. I'll run off now!
Back to lurking in TEP :>
I agree with you on most points, but just want you to know that most of the people in this thread are people who hate TSP anywayKurnugia wrote:Cool then go away from the NS forums and go on fixing your community. You have, as things stands now, clearly lost the court of public opinion. Not that you care about this.
1. Go away and let people who have no idea what they're talking about slander our region? No way! Our administration has been actually pretty radio silent on this matter, so we've pretty much done what you've asked.
2. We have done a lot to fix our community by these bans.
by Ever-Wandering Souls » Mon Sep 03, 2018 9:37 pm
Fauxia wrote:I don’t have a dog in this fight but this argument is disgusting and its recent use IRL forces me to mention it.North Prarie wrote:I agree with you on most points, but just want you to know that most of the people in this thread are people who hate TSP anyway
Oh? If evidence came out that the admins lied about everything would you not punish them, because they were accused by “enemies of TSP”? If it’s not just some wild theory thrown out randomly, who the hell cares who says it? If the story is credible, the story is credible. I’m sure many people posting want to see Glen-Rhodes out of any position of power. Who the hell cares? When you oppose someone, you bring out everything you got against them. It’s not all just conspiracy theories, it would be much easier to dispell if it was. These shouldn’t not be investigated if they seem at all credible because it was first brought up by some “enemy of TSP”. That would be bad faith and community failure at best.
TL;DR Enemy shnemeny, a credible accusation is a credible accusation.
For two of the more recent examples, we have the continued smearing of Glen through his friend with Unibot and the assertion that Roavin was purposefully delaying votes.
While both questioning the admin relationship with Unibot and questioning Roavin's job as fine, in of itself, it just so happened to grave dig the Glen-Unibot thread after admins reached out and asked the users to apologize/clam down, which clearly speaks to the bad faith that thread was created in.
The Alicorns (Equestria) wrote:Let them stay, no need to badmouth them...From our view a bunch of nations just came in, seized the delegate position, and changed a few superficial things...we play NationStates differently...there's really no reason for us to be butthurt.
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=8944227
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=8951258
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by The Church of Satan » Tue Sep 04, 2018 1:05 am
Glen-Rhodes wrote:Over the next 2-3 months, depending on how you want to start counting, those two formerly prominent players created a noxious environment of fighting, baiting, and trolling
by Consular » Tue Sep 04, 2018 4:26 am
Glen-Rhodes wrote:At the end of the day, the only thing that matters is if *TSPers* think the community is best served by the bans.
North Prarie wrote:I agree with you on most points, but just want you to know that most of the people in this thread are people who hate TSP anyway
by Cosmopolitan borovan » Tue Sep 04, 2018 9:33 am
Ok I'm sorry but that's just such a fucking ignorant opinion. You being a terrible admin reflects on other admins, even on other boards. It does everyone a disservice.
by Aclion » Tue Sep 04, 2018 9:43 am
Consular wrote:Glen-Rhodes wrote:At the end of the day, the only thing that matters is if *TSPers* think the community is best served by the bans.
Ok I'm sorry but that's just such a fucking ignorant opinion. You being a terrible admin reflects on other admins, even on other boards. It does everyone a disservice.
by Consular » Tue Sep 04, 2018 10:01 am
by Ever-Wandering Souls » Tue Sep 04, 2018 11:41 am
Consular wrote:It makes people think twice when an admin somewhere else has to withhold evidence for actually legitimate reasons, therefore yeah it does have an impact.
The Alicorns (Equestria) wrote:Let them stay, no need to badmouth them...From our view a bunch of nations just came in, seized the delegate position, and changed a few superficial things...we play NationStates differently...there's really no reason for us to be butthurt.
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=8944227
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=8951258
Reploid Productions wrote:Raiders are endlessly creative
by Blight-Bane » Tue Sep 04, 2018 7:11 pm
Ever-Wandering Souls wrote:if you allow yourself to do so, and explain the reasons to whatever standard you set
Ever-Wandering Souls wrote: Either meet your standards or just go ahead and legislate them lower.
by Lord Dominator » Tue Sep 04, 2018 7:57 pm
by Blight-Bane » Tue Sep 04, 2018 8:25 pm
Lord Dominator wrote:Are you sure Mall would stop at just contrarians?
by Aclion » Wed Sep 05, 2018 7:35 pm
Consular wrote:It makes people think twice when an admin somewhere else has to withhold evidence for actually legitimate reasons, therefore yeah it does have an impact.
Ever-Wandering Souls wrote:So where’s either the answers or the outside action, if it’s clear that neither the admins or the remaining members care enough to push answers? .
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