[PASSED] International Aero-Space Administration

[Dragonslinding WA Mission]

Ser Aegon Snow: "Opposed. Everyone knows the heavens are the realms of the gods and any man or woman what flies is obviously an evil wizard and must be burnt at the stake. And we will not be having the WA stopping Dragonslinding Barbecues!"

[Araraukar]

must be burnt at the stake.

OOC: I think that breaks one of the resolutions on account of it being an inhumane death... You could hang them and then burn the bodies instead?

[Dragonslinding WA Mission]

must be burnt at the stake.

OOC: I think that breaks one of the resolutions on account of it being an inhumane death... You could hang them and then burn the bodies instead?

OOC: I needed an IC way to oppose this as I have no OOC reason to apart from "Hurr NatSov". Though "Hurr NatSov" is a pretty good reason itself. Do you have a resolution number? Mostly so I can update my Creative Compliance fact book. I'm fairly certain that I missed several resolutions. I was skim reading as I went down the list.

[Araraukar]

OOC: I needed an IC way to oppose this as I have no OOC reason to apart from "Hurr NatSov". Though "Hurr NatSov" is a pretty good reason itself. Do you have a resolution number?

OOC: GA #375, clauses 3 and 8.

[The Bible Baptist Republic]

Ser Aegon Snow: "Opposed. Everyone knows the heavens are the realms of the gods and any man or woman what flies is obviously an evil wizard and must be burnt at the stake. And we will not be having the WA stopping Dragonslinding Barbecues!"

One of the top shows on Bible Baptist Television is "Stone the Harlot/Burn the Heretic" a heart warming family drama of the good old days when the Baptist Nation was spreading out from the Bibleonya Mountains across the plains you would... ...uh nevermind, owners of magic talking picture boxes would get burned at the stake for being witches/wizards....

[The Greater Siriusian Domain]

Ser Aegon Snow: "Opposed. Everyone knows the heavens are the realms of the gods and any man or woman what flies is obviously an evil wizard and must be burnt at the stake. And we will not be having the WA stopping Dragonslinding Barbecues!"

Teran Saber: "I'd make a Stargate joke, but I feel that would be in bad taste."

[Sierra Lyricalia]

Ser Aegon Snow: "Opposed. Everyone knows the heavens are the realms of the gods and any man or woman what flies is obviously an evil wizard and must be burnt at the stake. And we will not be having the WA stopping Dragonslinding Barbecues!"

Steph lifts her phone close to her face and speaks softly into it. "Note to self: requisition light assault armor with glider and JATO capacity - intimidation purposes for next draft submission. Make an entrance. Primitives astounded or at least trolled." She smirks slightly before resuming her attention on those addressing the chamber at large.

[Giant Bats]

Steph lifts her phone close to her face and speaks softly into it. "Note to self: requisition light assault armor with glider and JATO capacity - intimidation purposes for next draft submission. Make an entrance. Primitives astounded or at least trolled." She smirks slightly before resuming her attention on those addressing the chamber at large.

Thanks to her excellent auditory organs Ikiti had no trouble hearing the human female's words, even over the sound of her heartbeat - also not a feat for Tikrr ears - but did not really like what she heard. Jet-assisted take off anything sounded like something that would be extremely loud and likely to give Ikiti a headache. And since the AI that did the concept translations for the Tikrr delegation knew that when the Tikrr were in pain, they were even more likely than usual to react to surprising things in a feral manner, it adviced Ikiti to move nearer and suggest a less noisy option to the human.

So while it was impossible for the large carnivore to move inconspiciously, Ikiti made a spirited attempt as she shuffled close enough Zakalwe to be able to say - or, rather, have her universal translator say - in a low voice:

"Would you let us put an antigravity harness on you instead? Jet engines are too loud."

[The Greater Siriusian Domain]

Steph lifts her phone close to her face and speaks softly into it. "Note to self: requisition light assault armor with glider and JATO capacity - intimidation purposes for next draft submission. Make an entrance. Primitives astounded or at least trolled." She smirks slightly before resuming her attention on those addressing the chamber at large.

Thanks to her excellent auditory organs Ikiti had no trouble hearing the human female's words, even over the sound of her heartbeat - also not a feat for Tikrr ears - but did not really like what she heard. Jet-assisted take off anything sounded like something that would be extremely loud and likely to give Ikiti a headache. And since the AI that did the concept translations for the Tikrr delegation knew that when the Tikrr were in pain, they were even more likely than usual to react to surprising things in a feral manner, it adviced Ikiti to move nearer and suggest a less noisy option to the human.

So while it was impossible for the large carnivore to move inconspiciously, Ikiti made a spirited attempt as she shuffled close enough Zakalwe to be able to say - or, rather, have her universal translator say - in a low voice:

"Would you let us put an antigravity harness on you instead? Jet engines are too loud."

*Ambassador Teran Saber manages to just make out what has been said, due the innate acute hearing of a Siriusian's feline-like physiology. He chuckles under his breath, just loud enough for his assistant, Ra'lingth, to hear.*

Ra'lingth: "Sssomething amusssing you, sssir?"

Teran Saber: "Oh, it's nothing important. Just a little bird tweeting in my ear, metaphorically speaking."

[Dragonslinding WA Mission]

OOC: I needed an IC way to oppose this as I have no OOC reason to apart from "Hurr NatSov". Though "Hurr NatSov" is a pretty good reason itself. Do you have a resolution number?

OOC: GA #375, clauses 3 and 8.

OOC: Already answered per my "Good Faith Compliance" factbook.

Creative Compliance # 375 “Crime and Punishment”

28-V-217

Following new legislation, transfers punishment of theft of sums of more than 15 pence but less than ½ dragon subject to a fine of not less than 1 gold dragon from execution. Theft of less than 15 pence shall be punished by a a fine of not less than ½ gold dragon. Theft of greater than ½ gold dragon shall be a felony and subject to execution.

Following new legislation hanging and beheading by axe or sword are considered to be execution methods of choice.

Following new legislation placing the corpse of the executed in a gibbet or the head of a beheaded person on a spike in a public area is considered respectful handling of the corpse of the executed, themselves having forfeited their rights to burial in holy ground by the commission of their crimes.

Following new legislation, the King or the King's hand or any Warden of the Provinces may at their discretion commute any death sentence to exile to the Northern Wall for the remainder of the life of the Condemned, wherein they shall take the black and forfeit all rights and titles and inheritances, pledge themselves to celibacy and defend the realm from the wildings of the far north.

Following new legislation burning at the stake is not considered to be cruel or unusual punishment, nor is burning considered to be mutilation of the body of the executed as cremation is a common disposal method for corpses.

One of the top shows on Bible Baptist Television is "Stone the Harlot/Burn the Heretic" a heart warming family drama of the good old days when the Baptist Nation was spreading out from the Bibleonya Mountains across the plains you would... ...uh nevermind, owners of magic talking picture boxes would get burned at the stake for being witches/wizards....

Ser Aegon Snow: "Magic talking picture boxes? That is only a maybe. Wise women for example use magic that is found in plants to make potions for cures all the time so there is no blanket ban on witchcraft. Though Maester Tarquin would probably start blathering on about plant making 'essences' that have healing properties rather than magic. I don't always listen to Maester Tarquin since he completely ignores his vows of celibacy. He may be wise, but he certainly isn't honorable, but that's not entirely surprising, I'm told his father was a serf."

[Laeral]

An intern from the Laeralian delegation sticks his head into the room and glances over the draft resolution. "This looks good; I'm sure our delegation will be able to support this. One recommendation- change the first word in the second preambulatory clause to 'applauding' instead of 'glorifying'. I think it makes that clause less awkward."

[Separatist Peoples]

"I have streamlined the language here a bit."

[Kenmoria]

“In the clause that establishes the IASA, surely ‘mandate’ would be ‘mandates’ instead, seeing as you have multiple instructions below it?”

[Separatist Peoples]

“In the clause that establishes the IASA, surely ‘mandate’ would be ‘mandates’ instead, seeing as you have multiple instructions below it?”

"A mandate can have multiple parts. I intended the mandate to be a broad, multifaceted one, not that each part is its own mandate."

[Kenmoria]

“In the clause that establishes the IASA, surely ‘mandate’ would be ‘mandates’ instead, seeing as you have multiple instructions below it?”

"A mandate can have multiple parts. I intended the mandate to be a broad, multifaceted one, not that each part is its own mandate."

“Fair enough. Anyway, full support.”

[Kranostav]

I'd like to support this given there is more focus on space research and the maintaining there of, or the exclusion of mentioning it so that it doesn't harm attempts to deal with data in the future.

[Wallenburg]

This still isn't kosher by the new committee rule. You'll either have to add mandates not dependent on the committee or require more than just paper pushing between member states and the committees.

[Separatist Peoples]

This still isn't kosher by the new committee rule. You'll either have to add mandates not dependent on the committee or require more than just paper pushing between member states and the committees.

OOC: Nope.

Every proposal must affect member states in some fashion. A committee may be the primary agent of that effect, but forming it may not be the proposal's only action. Requiring member states to interact with the committee somehow is sufficient, provided the interaction creates a measurable burden - one more strenuous than simply filing paperwork.

The proposal affects member states insofar as it requires active liaisons with both committees and other surrounding nations. It does more than merely form a committee. Interaction with the committee is more than simply filing paperwork, as they have to coordinate with both the committee and other states. Further, they can liaise to actually build their space program, which is more strenuous than filing paperwork.

My draft comports with the text of the Committee-Only rule.

[Aclion]

This still isn't kosher by the new committee rule. You'll either have to add mandates not dependent on the committee or require more than just paper pushing between member states and the committees.

I brought up the same concern with Ransium's proposal on hazardous goods. viewtopic.php?f=9&t=443154&p=34171948&hilit=committee#p34171948
With this one at least removing the committee still leaves us with an encouragement to share research and a blocker.

[Wallenburg]

This still isn't kosher by the new committee rule. You'll either have to add mandates not dependent on the committee or require more than just paper pushing between member states and the committees.

OOC: Nope.

Every proposal must affect member states in some fashion. A committee may be the primary agent of that effect, but forming it may not be the proposal's only action. Requiring member states to interact with the committee somehow is sufficient, provided the interaction creates a measurable burden - one more strenuous than simply filing paperwork.

The proposal affects member states insofar as it requires active liaisons with both committees and other surrounding nations. It does more than merely form a committee. Interaction with the committee is more than simply filing paperwork, as they have to coordinate with both the committee and other states. Further, they can liaise to actually build their space program, which is more strenuous than filing paperwork.

My draft comports with the text of the Committee-Only rule.

Such liasons do not constitute a measurable burden upon member states. Sorry.

[Bears Armed]

OOC
I'm considering the legality.

Member states must liaise with IASA, the IMO, and parallel national authorities governing airspace in foreign territory so as to coordinate flight plans to avoid conflict, collision, or other unintended risk to other spacecraft. Where reasonably practical, member states will so liaise for all nonmilitary spacecraft launched from their suborbital space which might cross into either international or foreign national airspace or territory;

does look to me like enough required activity to make it okay under the Committee rule... but not as 'Educational'. SP, maybe this proposal is one to set aside until a certain suggested change to the Categories available has been made?

[Separatist Peoples]

OOC
I'm considering the legality.

Member states must liaise with IASA, the IMO, and parallel national authorities governing airspace in foreign territory so as to coordinate flight plans to avoid conflict, collision, or other unintended risk to other spacecraft. Where reasonably practical, member states will so liaise for all nonmilitary spacecraft launched from their suborbital space which might cross into either international or foreign national airspace or territory;

does look to me like enough required activity to make it okay under the Committee rule... but not as 'Educational'. SP, maybe this proposal is one to set aside until a certain suggested change to the Categories available has been made?

OOC: Except that isn't the only clause. There are several clauses that involve education regarding aerospace science and engineering. I disagree fundamentally that this violates either the Committee Only rule or the Category rule. And, since this is intended to block any World Space Program power grabs instead of an affirmative policy goal, I don't really mind using it to resolve this legality question.

[Separatist Peoples]

Challenge me boiiiii

[Sierra Lyricalia]

OOC: Looking at the entire proposal I believe it's legal both as to category and as to its committee use. The promotion of civilian space programs (the primary goal) is fundamentally educational even minus the committee's mandate to publish research. Since the coordination of space launches serves to promote international cooperation in civilian space programs (thereby leading to increased scientific knowledge WA-wide), it's not a huge reach category-wise.

Then, consider what that coordination actually entails. It might look like all that is is "filing paperwork" to notify the international community of launch dates and such; but the unstated converse of that is that the other nations involved are agreeing not to launch in conflict with the filer. In other words, participation in this coordination is a commitment to scrub or postpone launches where some other nation has priority, just to cite one example. This is a serious commitment, very much in line with the committee rule, and is not "merely filing paperwork."

[Grays Harbor]

Gonna vote yes just because of the opening lines.

Yes, I am geekily shallow. Deal with it.