[DRAFT] Repeal "Reproductive Freedoms"

[Zone 71]

"Loud, immature tirades aside," Ambassador Rooke chuckled after the ambassador of Greater Vakolicci Haven's speech, "Zone 71 still remains opposed to this repeal. While I do not wish to argue the topic of abortions like a blabbering fool, it is the belief of this nation that women should have access to this vital medical procedure, especially in circumstances where the child may be born with damaging afflictions or birth defects, or the mother's health is at severe risk. To outlaw abortion would mean women having to resort to more dangerous and unsanitary measures, or, should the woman decide to have the baby, the child may have to cope in unsafe living conditions. And while Zone 71 has striven to prevent unwanted pregnancy through proper education on sex and pregnancy and the availability of protection, as with all nations, there will inevitably be people neglecting birth control or proper protection, or those without access to this sort of education, and because of this, abortions in Zone 71 will be open to all pregnant women."

"I have two children with serious disabilities," the ambassador informed him calmly, "So you'd have killed them then?"

"Yes, absolutely, because that was my point entirely, esteemed ambassador," Rooke responded sarcastically. After a disappointed sigh, he continued, "We're not discussing human lives; we're talking about unborn fetuses, organisms so early in their stages of development that it would be improper to consider them human. We're not talking about your little Timmy and Susie so put the pictures back in your wallet, ambassador."

[The Unfounded]

Bell nods. "In the C.D.S.P., we offer free screening for fetal defects and tax incentives for self-selecting against allowing such defective fetuses to develop. Ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure and all that, and our healthcare and education expenditure improvements demonstrate as much."

"Disgusting," Zahl shook his head. "Your government is responsible for a genocide, it seems. Destroying it would be the least worst option, it seems."

"Emotive response noted," Alexis interjects. "What you term genocide, we see as relief from pain. What you term disgusting, we see as compassionate. If nothing else, we might see it as an opportunity to save that fetus from a lifetime of pain, and donate the fetal cells to research in the hopes of finding a way to rectify such abnormalities. Such might cost lives in the short-term, but save a great many more in the long-term."

[Separatist Peoples]

Bell nods. "In the C.D.S.P., we offer free screening for fetal defects and tax incentives for self-selecting against allowing such defective fetuses to develop. Ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure and all that, and our healthcare and education expenditure improvements demonstrate as much."

"Disgusting," Zahl shook his head. "Your government is responsible for a genocide, it seems. Destroying it would be the least worst option, it seems."

Bell struggles to choke down a guffaw. "Duly noted, ambassador. We'll put you on the list." He opens a list on his tablet and scrolls down. And down. And down. Finally, he stops. "Are you ok being the 429th to destroy us? That is the best I can do."

[Lammas]

"Having considered this repeal proposal as well as the replacement proposal, Lammas refuses to condone the repeal of a sound piece of legislation, purely to cater to some of the more extreme members of this Assembly. The WA should not have to compromise its' morals for the sake of the inclusion of a minority which does not even, according to this very repeal, respect this institution's legislation."

[Imperium Anglorum]

Bell struggles to choke down a guffaw. "Duly noted, ambassador. We'll put you on the list." He opens a list on his tablet and scrolls down. And down. And down. Finally, he stops. "Are you ok being the 429th to destroy us? That is the best I can do."

MADSONS: Unacceptable. We were guaranteed a position as 429th!

[Separatist Peoples]

Bell struggles to choke down a guffaw. "Duly noted, ambassador. We'll put you on the list." He opens a list on his tablet and scrolls down. And down. And down. Finally, he stops. "Are you ok being the 429th to destroy us? That is the best I can do."

MADSONS: Unacceptable. We were guaranteed a position as 429th!

Bell shrugs. "I'll take that at face value. Ambassador Zahl, I can do 432, 435, 444, or 512. Alternatively, for half the scheduling fee, I can put you in line as 14th to desecrate the ashes of our civilization."

[United Massachusetts]

MADSONS: Unacceptable. We were guaranteed a position as 429th!

Bell shrugs. "I'll take that at face value. Ambassador Zahl, I can do 432, 435, 444, or 512. Alternatively, for half the scheduling fee, I can put you in line as 14th to desecrate the ashes of our civilization."

"I believe we were scheduled at 432. We have our Divine Justice prepared already."

[Separatist Peoples]

Bell shrugs. "I'll take that at face value. Ambassador Zahl, I can do 432, 435, 444, or 512. Alternatively, for half the scheduling fee, I can put you in line as 14th to desecrate the ashes of our civilization."

"I believe we were scheduled at 432. We have our Divine Justice prepared already."

Bell drops the paperwork. "You know what, this isn't my job. Somebody over in National Ruination placed this on my desk because I'm the point person here, but it's really an administrative issue. If you think you have a conflict, you need to take it up with Janet Schaedsbaum in the Foreign Ministry's Bureau of National Carthagian Ruination. Her secretary has the most recently updated list."

[Marcianus]

I'm for it. Abortion is an evil practice that needs to be banned. Pretty sad how that law was accepted by so many people.

[Wallenburg]

"I believe we were scheduled at 432. We have our Divine Justice prepared already."

Bell drops the paperwork. "You know what, this isn't my job. Somebody over in National Ruination placed this on my desk because I'm the point person here, but it's really an administrative issue. If you think you have a conflict, you need to take it up with Janet Schaedsbaum in the Foreign Ministry's Bureau of National Carthagian Ruination. Her secretary has the most recently updated list."

"That is only reasonable. Why can't member delegations threaten extermination through the proper channels, like civilized people?"

[The Unfounded]

I'm for it. Abortion is an evil practice that needs to be banned. Pretty sad how that law was accepted by so many people.

“Denying women control over their own bodies strikes me as the greater ‘evil’. If you dislike the idea, there are ways to encourage live births that do not involve altering existing WA legislation. You are in point of fact specifically encouraged to do so.

“The law is fine. The problem’s with you.”

[Separatist Peoples]

I'm for it. Abortion is an evil practice that needs to be banned. Pretty sad how that law was accepted by so many people.

"The proposed replacement would still allow nations to allow it, so you're kind of out of luck on that front."

[Kuwi]

Both born and unborn humans are amalgamations of cells with human DNA.
I feel like then that the unborn should have the same rights as a normal law abiding human being.
Only when the fetus commits the crime of threatening the mothers life should its life be threatened.

[Kuwi]

I'm for it. Abortion is an evil practice that needs to be banned. Pretty sad how that law was accepted by so many people.

"The proposed replacement would still allow nations to allow it, so you're kind of out of luck on that front."

I just want to be able to control it in my own country and that is all

[Kuwi]

I'm for it. Abortion is an evil practice that needs to be banned. Pretty sad how that law was accepted by so many people.

“Denying women control over their own bodies strikes me as the greater ‘evil’. If you dislike the idea, there are ways to encourage live births that do not involve altering existing WA legislation. You are in point of fact specifically encouraged to do so.

“The law is fine. The problem’s with you.”

What about the baby’s right to it’s body? It didn’t decide to show up, it can’t help it.

[Zone 71]

Both born and unborn humans are amalgamations of cells with human DNA.
I feel like then that the unborn should have the same rights as a normal law abiding human being.
Only when the fetus commits the crime of threatening the mothers life should its life be threatened.

"Simply on the basis of them being 'amalgamations of cells with human DNA'?" the ambassador scoffed. "Well, with that rationale, it would be immoral for a person to remove a cancerous tumor with respect to the amalgamation of DNA, or the odd mole my brother keeps complaining about."

OOC: As a sidenote, Kuwi, please do not make three forum posts in rapid succession. I would recommend that you, in the future, merge these writings into one post to prevent spam and taking up space in the thread.

[Kuwi]

Both born and unborn humans are amalgamations of cells with human DNA.
I feel like then that the unborn should have the same rights as a normal law abiding human being.
Only when the fetus commits the crime of threatening the mothers life should its life be threatened.

"Simply on the basis of them being 'amalgamations of cells with human DNA'?" the ambassador scoffed. "Well, with that rationale, it would be immoral for a person to remove a cancerous tumor with respect to the amalgamation of DNA, or the odd mole my brother keeps complaining about."

OOC: As a sidenote, Kuwi, please do not make three forum posts in rapid succession. I would recommend that you, in the future, merge these writings into one post to prevent spam and taking up space in the thread.

*cough* I meant healthy amalgamations of human cells, and yes if you rip someone’s mole off without their consent that could be considered a minor assault.

[Zone 71]

"Simply on the basis of them being 'amalgamations of cells with human DNA'?" the ambassador scoffed. "Well, with that rationale, it would be immoral for a person to remove a cancerous tumor with respect to the amalgamation of DNA, or the odd mole my brother keeps complaining about."

OOC: As a sidenote, Kuwi, please do not make three forum posts in rapid succession. I would recommend that you, in the future, merge these writings into one post to prevent spam and taking up space in the thread.

*cough* I meant healthy amalgamations of human cells, and yes if you rip someone’s mole off without their consent that could be considered a minor assault.

"Overlooking your obvious confusion of a voluntary medical procedure to remove something like a tumor or mole safely, I'm rather puzzled with your point on specifying 'healthy' amalgamations of human cells," Ambassador Rooke responded. "Why do you say 'healthy' amalgamations of human cells deserve the right to life from the time of conception? Hell, what would even you consider a 'healthy' amalgamation of human cells; where's the line? And are unhealthy amalgamations of human cells inherently undeserving of life?"

[Kuwi]

*cough* I meant healthy amalgamations of human cells, and yes if you rip someone’s mole off without their consent that could be considered a minor assault.

"Overlooking your obvious confusion of a voluntary medical procedure to remove something like a tumor or mole safely, I'm rather puzzled with your point on specifying 'healthy' amalgamations of human cells," Ambassador Rooke responded. "Why do you say 'healthy' amalgamations of human cells deserve the right to life from the time of conception? Hell, what would even you consider a 'healthy' amalgamation of human cells; where's the line? And are unhealthy amalgamations of human cells inherently undeserving of life?"

Babies should have the right to live if they are not threatening the mothers life,
Because babies are a separate amalgamation from the mother.
Cancer is a tainted part of the original amalgamation, and this would still be part of the mother, the baby is not part of the mother.

[Separatist Peoples]

"Overlooking your obvious confusion of a voluntary medical procedure to remove something like a tumor or mole safely, I'm rather puzzled with your point on specifying 'healthy' amalgamations of human cells," Ambassador Rooke responded. "Why do you say 'healthy' amalgamations of human cells deserve the right to life from the time of conception? Hell, what would even you consider a 'healthy' amalgamation of human cells; where's the line? And are unhealthy amalgamations of human cells inherently undeserving of life?"

Babies should have the right to live if they are not threatening the mothers life,
Because babies are a separate amalgamation from the mother.
Cancer is a tainted part of the original amalgamation, and this would still be part of the mother, the baby is not part of the mother.

"Babies are not fetuses, and are afforded different rights under WA law."

[Kuwi]

Babies should have the right to live if they are not threatening the mothers life,
Because babies are a separate amalgamation from the mother.
Cancer is a tainted part of the original amalgamation, and this would still be part of the mother, the baby is not part of the mother.

"Babies are not fetuses, and are afforded different rights under WA law."

Fetuses are incomplete babies, just as babies are incomplete adults

[Separatist Peoples]

"Babies are not fetuses, and are afforded different rights under WA law."

Fetuses are incomplete babies, just as babies are incomplete adults

"Perhaps biologically. Legally, they are distinct."

[Kuwi]

Fetuses are incomplete babies, just as babies are incomplete adults

"Perhaps biologically. Legally, they are distinct."

Legallity can be changed though, and biology can not.
I say if our society has the artificial idea of human rights that should atleast be consistent to all innocent members of our species...or to a lesser extent the innocent citizens of a nation.

[Separatist Peoples]

"Perhaps biologically. Legally, they are distinct."

Legallity can be changed though, and biology can not.
I say if our society has the artificial idea of human rights that should atleast be consistent to all innocent members of our species...or to a lesser extent the innocent citizens of a nation.

"The biological dispositions of fetuses are irrelevant. There is more utility derived from permitting abortion than barring it. In the balance of rights, the rights of an extant, present person trump those of an uncertain potential."

[Harthis]

I am 100% behind this proposal. Abortion must be stopped.