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Postby Triassica » Sun Aug 12, 2018 4:19 pm

New haven america wrote:
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There would certainly be violence.

Probably not to a scale that would change anything.

People would probably just bend over and take it, honestly.

You mean liberals and progressives would simply shrug and go "Well, I guess we're fascist now"?
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Postby Valgora » Sun Aug 12, 2018 4:21 pm

Triassica wrote:
New haven america wrote:Probably not to a scale that would change anything.

People would probably just bend over and take it, honestly.

You mean liberals and progressives would simply shrug and go "Well, I guess we're fascist now"?


Such a convention would not make the United States fascist.
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Postby New haven america » Sun Aug 12, 2018 4:22 pm

Triassica wrote:
New haven america wrote:Probably not to a scale that would change anything.

People would probably just bend over and take it, honestly.

You mean liberals and progressives would simply shrug and go "Well, I guess we're fascist now"?

Yes.

And right wingers would be cheering and drinking champagne.
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Postby Triassica » Sun Aug 12, 2018 4:24 pm

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Triassica wrote:You mean liberals and progressives would simply shrug and go "Well, I guess we're fascist now"?


Such a convention would not make the United States fascist.

You doubt with the sort of insanity the Koch brothers, Trump Administration and Republican party want to push?
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Postby New haven america » Sun Aug 12, 2018 4:26 pm

Triassica wrote:
Valgora wrote:
Such a convention would not make the United States fascist.

You doubt with the sort of insanity the Koch brothers, Trump Administration and Republican party want to push?

That's not fascism, that'd be corporate oligarchy/autocracy (Depending on how it operates).

Which, funnily enough, is basically what the US is currently dealing with.
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Postby Proctopeo » Sun Aug 12, 2018 4:26 pm

Triassica wrote:
Valgora wrote:
Such a convention would not make the United States fascist.

You doubt with the sort of insanity the Koch brothers, Trump Administration and Republican party want to push?

Funny thing, a poorly-constructed tinfoil hat actually amplifies certain types of electromagnetic waves, including microwaves.
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Postby Valgora » Sun Aug 12, 2018 4:27 pm

Triassica wrote:
Valgora wrote:
Such a convention would not make the United States fascist.

You doubt with the sort of insanity the Koch brothers, Trump Administration and Republican party want to push?

The Republican Party ain't fascist.
Trump wouldn't have been elected if he was a legitimate fascist and if he did actually attempt to turn the US fascist, he wouldn't be in power.

The Koch brothers are out for themselves, and I don't think fascism would be that beneficial to them.
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Postby Uiiop » Sun Aug 12, 2018 4:29 pm

Valgora wrote:
Triassica wrote:You doubt with the sort of insanity the Koch brothers, Trump Administration and Republican party want to push?

The Republican Party ain't fascist.
Trump wouldn't have been elected if he was a legitimate fascist and if he did actually attempt to turn the US fascist, he wouldn't be in power.

The Koch brothers are out for themselves, and I don't think fascism would be that beneficial to them.

I get the nit-picking but i'm not sure it defeats the over point Tri is making.

Not fascist? sure but that doesn't it wouldn't be bad.
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Postby New haven america » Sun Aug 12, 2018 4:31 pm

Uiiop wrote:
Valgora wrote:The Republican Party ain't fascist.
Trump wouldn't have been elected if he was a legitimate fascist and if he did actually attempt to turn the US fascist, he wouldn't be in power.

The Koch brothers are out for themselves, and I don't think fascism would be that beneficial to them.

I get the nit-picking but i'm not sure it defeats the over point Tri is making.

Not fascist? sure but that doesn't it wouldn't be bad.

It already is bad, and no one's really doing anything about it.

What makes you think people would react to Tri's hypothetical?
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Postby Uiiop » Sun Aug 12, 2018 4:33 pm

New haven america wrote:
Uiiop wrote:I get the nit-picking but i'm not sure it defeats the over point Tri is making.

Not fascist? sure but that doesn't it wouldn't be bad.

It already is bad, and no one's really doing anything about it.

What makes you think people would react to Tri's hypothetical?

I get the cyncism but people will at least try.
It might not be effective and they'll give up quickly but that's different from what you're saying.
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Postby Triassica » Sun Aug 12, 2018 4:35 pm

New haven america wrote:
Triassica wrote:You doubt with the sort of insanity the Koch brothers, Trump Administration and Republican party want to push?

That's not fascism, that'd be corporate oligarchy/autocracy (Depending on how it operates).

Which, funnily enough, is basically what the US is currently dealing with.

Inverted totalitarianism. Just add theocracy and the Right wing wet dream will be complete.
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Postby New haven america » Sun Aug 12, 2018 4:41 pm

Uiiop wrote:
New haven america wrote:It already is bad, and no one's really doing anything about it.

What makes you think people would react to Tri's hypothetical?

I get the cyncism but people will at least try.
It might not be effective and they'll give up quickly but that's different from what you're saying.

I don't considering going out to protest for a few days and then deciding that you have to get back to work and let everything continue to fester and question why things are getting so bad as "Trying."

Which will happen, just as it has the for the past decade or 2.
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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Sun Aug 12, 2018 4:51 pm

Valgora wrote:
Triassica wrote:You mean liberals and progressives would simply shrug and go "Well, I guess we're fascist now"?


Such a convention would not make the United States fascist.

To be somewhat fair, there’d definitely be plenty of right wingers at a potential constitutional trying their hardest to curtail as many liberties and freedoms as possible to make the United States a more authoritarian regime.
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Postby Triassica » Sun Aug 12, 2018 4:53 pm

New haven america wrote:
Uiiop wrote:I get the cyncism but people will at least try.
It might not be effective and they'll give up quickly but that's different from what you're saying.

I don't considering going out to protest for a few days and then deciding that you have to get back to work and let everything continue to fester and question why things are getting so bad as "Trying."

Which will happen, just as it has the for the past decade or 2.

Yeah, the left doesn't know how to fight back against the right. If they think that the Women's March last year is a legitimate form of protest, the reaction to Trump firing Mueller will be the greatest disappointment in the history of civil disobedience...
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Postby Telconi » Sun Aug 12, 2018 4:58 pm

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:
Valgora wrote:
Such a convention would not make the United States fascist.

To be somewhat fair, there’d definitely be plenty of right wingers at a potential constitutional trying their hardest to curtail as many liberties and freedoms as possible to make the United States a more authoritarian regime.


To be even more fair there'd probably be just as many left wingers doing the exact same thing.
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Postby New haven america » Sun Aug 12, 2018 5:04 pm

Telconi wrote:
The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:To be somewhat fair, there’d definitely be plenty of right wingers at a potential constitutional trying their hardest to curtail as many liberties and freedoms as possible to make the United States a more authoritarian regime.


To be even more fair there'd probably be just as many left wingers doing the exact same thing.

Here we go.

I love this "Both sides are the same idea." It's totally true*, except for: How we should handle the economy, women's rights, how to deal with environmental impacts, regulation of big business, healthcare, welfare, immigration, socioeconomic inequality, foreign relations, basic human rights, I could go on and on and on and on and on...

*I feel like I need to point out that this is sarcasm, in case you couldn't tell
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Postby Sovaal » Sun Aug 12, 2018 5:05 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Triassica wrote:Nonetheless, the reason why I believe a rogue constituonal convention would lead to Civil War is precisely because of how divided we are and how insane the modern GOP has become. I can't see Conservative Republicans and Liberal democrats working together in good faith to amend the Constituon. Thus, if you want to change the constitution into your own image, especially if your image is right wing insanity, and you aren't willing to work with over half the country to find a compromise, then you've already decided you want war.


Don't act like you aren't any less insane lol

I wonder, to the insane are the sane as insane as the insane are to the sane?
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Postby Farnhamia » Sun Aug 12, 2018 5:06 pm

Sovaal wrote:
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Don't act like you aren't any less insane lol

I wonder, to the insane are the sane as insane as the insane are to the sane?

Yes, and Triassica is not the topic.

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