Saudi Arabia VS Canada human rights activists

[Yes We Canada]

BBC - Saudi Arabia freezes Canada trade ties for urging activists' release
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-45079682


Samar Badawi, pictured here with Michelle Obama and Hillary Clinton, received an International Women of Courage Award in 2012

Saudi Arabia has said it is freezing all new trade with Canada and expelling its ambassador over its "interference" in the kingdom's domestic affairs.

A Saudi foreign ministry statement said it considered Canada's call last week for the release of detained civil society and women's rights activists a violation of Saudi sovereignty.

Those held include the Saudi-American human rights campaigner Samar Badawi, sister of jailed blogger Raif Badawi.

Canada said it was seeking "clarity".

However, foreign ministry spokeswoman Marie-Pier Baril stressed that Canada would "always stand up for the protection of human rights... including women's rights, and freedom of expression around the world".

Hold the line Canada. The free world is with you. We are coming.

[Erdogan in cool sunglasses]

I've never thought I say that but Saudis finally did the right thing. Ambassador of any country doesn't have the right to speak like that even if he/she is right.

[Dooom35796821595]

So the Canadians engage in standard diplomacy, trying to stop a despotic hellhole from being so despotic, and the Saudis respond by freezing all trade?

Operation Saudi Freedom when?

[Borinsa]

I can't believe Canada actually was able to do something right.
They're the last people I'd expect to call out a muslim country.

[Major-Tom]

I can't believe Canada actually was able to do something right.
They're the last people I'd expect to call out a muslim country.

It's a Western, developed country that by and large has a mostly egalitarian culture. The myth that Trudeau, and by extension, Canadians are a bunch of "Muslim sympathizers" is just a stupid narrative propped up by the likes of BreitBart and Hannity.

[Borinsa]

I can't believe Canada actually was able to do something right.
They're the last people I'd expect to call out a muslim country.

It's a Western, developed country that by and large has a mostly egalitarian culture. The myth that Trudeau, and by extension, Canadians are a bunch of "Muslim sympathizers" is just a stupid narrative propped up by the likes of BreitBart and Hannity.

I wouldn't be led to believe that about Canadians as a whole...but Trudeau and their government, just a tad normally.

[Borinsa]

Isn't Canada an Oil rich country anyway?

[Borinsa]

I wouldn't be led to believe that about Canadians as a whole...but Trudeau and their government, just a tad normally.

So you believe breitbart and hannity?
A deranged group of radical idiots who try to make their hateful bullshit seem professional, and a person who is a paid spokesperson for the far-right?

That sounds like a pretty strong accusation, could you give me an example of them doing that?

[Borinsa]

That sounds like a pretty strong accusation, could you give me an example of them doing that?

Frankly, I really want to, but I feel it'd be ignored or some logical fallacy used to dismiss it. Though I will say one thing:
Of any "major" news outlet, Breitbart is the most propaganda-like and fake news one I've ever seen, and I know how biased mainstream media can be, that says something.
Fox is also pretty bad. I'm not claiming all right-wing news media is bs-Though I oppose them obviously-but there are a lot better sites than those two.

I used to hate fox the most but now a days I think CNN is the worst.

[United Muscovite Nations]

I've never thought I say that but Saudis finally did the right thing. Ambassador of any country doesn't have the right to speak like that even if he/she is right.

^This. If a country wants to so strongly condemn a government's action, they shouldn't cry foul when that country responds as if it's been declared an adversary.

[Dooom35796821595]

I've never thought I say that but Saudis finally did the right thing. Ambassador of any country doesn't have the right to speak like that even if he/she is right.

^This. If a country wants to so strongly condemn a government's action, they shouldn't cry foul when that country responds as if it's been declared an adversary.

You two are both nuts. It’s diplomacy, asking a country to do something doesn’t need a nuclear response, just a polite no thank you.

[United Muscovite Nations]

^This. If a country wants to so strongly condemn a government's action, they shouldn't cry foul when that country responds as if it's been declared an adversary.

You two are both nuts. It’s diplomacy, asking a country to do something doesn’t need a nuclear response, just a polite no thank you.

It's diplomacy to try to undermine the government of a country?

[Borinsa]

That sounds like a pretty strong accusation, could you give me an example of them doing that?

Frankly, I really want to, but I feel it'd be ignored or some logical fallacy used to dismiss it. Though I will say one thing:
Of any "major" news outlet, Breitbart is the most propaganda-like and fake news one I've ever seen, and I know how biased mainstream media can be, that says something.
Fox is also pretty bad. I'm not claiming all right-wing news media is bs-Though I oppose them obviously-but there are a lot better sites than those two.

To be fair I've never actually heard of Breitbart...but Hannitty, I think he's that one guy on fox right?

[Dooom35796821595]

You two are both nuts. It’s diplomacy, asking a country to do something doesn’t need a nuclear response, just a polite no thank you.

It's diplomacy to try to undermine the government of a country?

It’s not trying to undermine the government, it’s asking them to stop acting like dicks.

[United Muscovite Nations]

It's diplomacy to try to undermine the government of a country?

It’s not trying to undermine the government, it’s asking them to stop acting like dicks.

They weren't "acting like dicks", they were taking a policy decision to stop certain forms of activism.

[Sahansahiye Iran]

Isn't Canada an Oil rich country anyway?

3rd largest proven reserves in the world.

[Dooom35796821595]

It’s not trying to undermine the government, it’s asking them to stop acting like dicks.

They weren't "acting like dicks", they were taking a policy decision to stop certain forms of activism.

They’ve been condemned by nearly every civilised country and the UN for human rights abuses, they are in the wrong. Something that would have just been ignored as standard fair, until Saudi Arabia dropped this bomb.

[Borinsa]

It’s not trying to undermine the government, it’s asking them to stop acting like dicks.

They weren't "acting like dicks", they were taking a policy decision to stop certain forms of activism.

Saudi Arabia was trying to crush feminist activists, not those shitty whinny feminists we have in the west who cry over fake injustice, REAL old school feminists who were doing the right thing in a situation that was dangerous for them. You should be ashamed to support such a government in any form.

[United Muscovite Nations]

They weren't "acting like dicks", they were taking a policy decision to stop certain forms of activism.

They’ve been condemned by nearly every civilised country and the UN for human rights abuses, they are in the wrong. Something that would have just been ignored as standard fair, until Saudi Arabia dropped this bomb.

Condemning a government is most certainly trying to undermine that government. I'm still not seeing how the Saudis overreacted.

[Borinsa]

Isn't Canada an Oil rich country anyway?

3rd largest proven reserves in the world.

Wow...I knew they were good, but not THAT good

[Sahansahiye Iran]

3rd largest proven reserves in the world.

Wow...I knew they were good, but not THAT good

169,709 million barrels.

[Dooom35796821595]

They’ve been condemned by nearly every civilised country and the UN for human rights abuses, they are in the wrong. Something that would have just been ignored as standard fair, until Saudi Arabia dropped this bomb.

Condemning a government is most certainly trying to undermine that government. I'm still not seeing how the Saudis overreacted.

What rational country cuts all trade ties over a condemnation of human rights violations? And are the Saudis going to do it to every country that agrees with Canada’s position? (That’s a lot of them)

[United Muscovite Nations]

Condemning a government is most certainly trying to undermine that government. I'm still not seeing how the Saudis overreacted.

What rational country cuts all trade ties over a condemnation of human rights violations? And are the Saudis going to do it to every country that agrees with Canada’s position? (That’s a lot of them)

They cut all new trade, currently existing trade will continue.

[Sahansahiye Iran]

They’ve been condemned by nearly every civilised country and the UN for human rights abuses, they are in the wrong. Something that would have just been ignored as standard fair, until Saudi Arabia dropped this bomb.

Condemning a government is most certainly trying to undermine that government. I'm still not seeing how the Saudis overreacted.

Do you have a source for a condemnation? All I'm seeing is a tweet where they expressed "concern" and "urged" the activists to be released. No outright condemnation.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Condemning a government is most certainly trying to undermine that government. I'm still not seeing how the Saudis overreacted.

Do you have a source for a condemnation? All I'm seeing is a tweet where they expressed "concern" and "urged" the activists to be released. No outright condemnation.

Fair enough, but the Canadians should know to hold their tongue either way.