[DEFEATED] Ban on Capital Punishment

[Aclion]

"There can be disincentives. if the prison system allows there to be. Loss of priveliges, longer times before release, solitary confinement and removal of visiting time can all function as good alternatives to the death penalty."

"Firstly, for individuals who have already had all those privileges removed, there are no further disincentives. All prison systems have a limit to the level of punishment an inmate can be given, after which point the only disincentive can be death.

"Secondly, the very presence of such amenities in prisons functions as an incentive to commit crimes. The only way prisons can deter the poor, and therefore most likely to turn to crime, from actually committing crimes is if prisons are worse than the impoverished situations would be criminals live in. When prisons are better than the surrounding society, criminals are not afraid to face the consequences."

"It sounds to me that your problem is the way you treat your poor, not the way you treat your criminals"

[Omigodtheykilledkenny]

I must have missed the beat somewhere. How exactly is this legal, with #375 still in force?

[United Massachusetts]

I must have missed the beat somewhere. How exactly is this legal, with #375 still in force?

It's a replacement for 375.

[Northern Green land]

I don't want to sign this.

[Omigodtheykilledkenny]

I must have missed the beat somewhere. How exactly is this legal, with #375 still in force?

It's a replacement for 375.

Well, thank you for explaining that so clearly in the OP.

[United Massachusetts]

It's a replacement for 375.

Well, thank you for explaining that so clearly in the OP.

I thought [REPLACEMENT] would do. My apologies.

[Zone 71]

Well, thank you for explaining that so clearly in the OP.

I thought [REPLACEMENT] would do. My apologies.

OOC: Did you manage to repeal the existing legislation that permitted capital punishment?

[United Massachusetts]

I thought [REPLACEMENT] would do. My apologies.

OOC: Did you manage to repeal the existing legislation that permitted capital punishment?

This comes after the draft I posted for that (got dropped down a bit) passes. So, not yet. I'll bump that thread.

[Zone 71]

OOC: Did you manage to repeal the existing legislation that permitted capital punishment?

This comes after the draft I posted for that (got dropped down a bit) passes. So, not yet. I'll bump that thread.

OOC: And this is a really real draft for what you hope to be really real GA legislation? Because, with all due respect, seems like a joke that will surely make it difficult to take your ideas on this subject seriously, and doesn't help garner support for this ban on capital punishment whatsoever.

[United Massachusetts]

This comes after the draft I posted for that (got dropped down a bit) passes. So, not yet. I'll bump that thread.

OOC: And this is a really real draft for what you hope to be really real GA legislation? Because, with all due respect, seems like a joke that will surely make it difficult to take your ideas on this subject seriously, and doesn't help garner support for this ban on capital punishment whatsoever.

Why do resolutions have to be long? I laid out my reasoning (basically the preamble) in the repeal.

[Imperium Anglorum]

Length isn't a real requirement. That something is short doesn't matter, unless there are harms from the text not covering something. That it is short, in of itself, is not a bad thing.

[Separatist Peoples]

OOC: And this is a really real draft for what you hope to be really real GA legislation? Because, with all due respect, seems like a joke that will surely make it difficult to take your ideas on this subject seriously, and doesn't help garner support for this ban on capital punishment whatsoever.

Why do resolutions have to be long? I laid out my reasoning (basically the preamble) in the repeal.

Ooc: short is good, to a point. You make it too short and people will think the length is a product of ineptitude rather than by design. The illusion of legal jargon does the same thing. Comes now the party of the first part, heretofore the petitioner, by and through their attorney...blegh.

To avoid this, I suggest a standard form preamble with more than one line and a single operative clause.

[United Massachusetts]

Why do resolutions have to be long? I laid out my reasoning (basically the preamble) in the repeal.

Ooc: short is good, to a point. You make it too short and people will think the length is a product of ineptitude rather than by design. The illusion of legal jargon does the same thing. Comes now the party of the first part, heretofore the petitioner, by and through their attorney...blegh.

To avoid this, I suggest a standard form preamble with more than one line and a single operative clause.

Aw. Oh well, I'll put in a preamble.

[Separatist Peoples]

Ooc: short is good, to a point. You make it too short and people will think the length is a product of ineptitude rather than by design. The illusion of legal jargon does the same thing. Comes now the party of the first part, heretofore the petitioner, by and through their attorney...blegh.

To avoid this, I suggest a standard form preamble with more than one line and a single operative clause.

Aw. Oh well, I'll put in a preamble.

I share your disappointment, but there are certain customs to which we must adhere to ensure legitimacy in the eyes of voters.

[Imperium Anglorum]

Lampshade it, put a clause in saying that justifying the choice of a short length.

[Lord Dominator]

Lampshade it, put a clause in saying that justifying the choice of a short length.

"Believing this could have been done in a shorter form, but bowing to the will of the unwashed masses"

[Liberimery]

Why do resolutions have to be long? I laid out my reasoning (basically the preamble) in the repeal.

Ooc: short is good, to a point. You make it too short and people will think the length is a product of ineptitude rather than by design. The illusion of legal jargon does the same thing. Comes now the party of the first part, heretofore the petitioner, by and through their attorney...blegh.

To avoid this, I suggest a standard form preamble with more than one line and a single operative clause.

OOC: As one of my teachers who was fond of crass humor would say, writing anything is like a girl's skirt: It should be long enough to cover everything but short enough to keep it interesting.

[Lord Dominator]

Ooc: short is good, to a point. You make it too short and people will think the length is a product of ineptitude rather than by design. The illusion of legal jargon does the same thing. Comes now the party of the first part, heretofore the petitioner, by and through their attorney...blegh.

To avoid this, I suggest a standard form preamble with more than one line and a single operative clause.

OOC: As one of my teachers who was fond of crass humor would say, writing anything is like a girl's skirt: It should be long enough to cover everything but short enough to keep it interesting.

OOC: Do note that 'interesting' (meaning how engaging the proposal is) isn't exactly a requirement for writing proposals/resolutions.

[Aclion]

OOC: As one of my teachers who was fond of crass humor would say, writing anything is like a girl's skirt: It should be long enough to cover everything but short enough to keep it interesting.

OOC: Do note that 'interesting' (meaning how engaging the proposal is) isn't exactly a requirement for writing proposals/resolutions.

But it helps.

Anyway, I don't think anyone will think that UM's brevity is a product of ineptitude.

[United Massachusetts]

OOC: Do note that 'interesting' (meaning how engaging the proposal is) isn't exactly a requirement for writing proposals/resolutions.

But it helps.

Anyway, I don't think anyone will think that UM's brevity is a product of ineptitude.

A product of the secret Catholic agenda. UM doesn't want to present his reasoning because it will show his true motives.

[Bruke]

But it helps.

Anyway, I don't think anyone will think that UM's brevity is a product of ineptitude.

A product of the secret Catholic agenda. UM doesn't want to present his reasoning because it will show his true motives.

He must be stopped.

[United Massachusetts]

A product of the secret Catholic agenda. UM doesn't want to present his reasoning because it will show his true motives.

He must be stopped.

First, it's the death penalty. Next, it's the global Inquisition.

No one expects it. His chief weapon is surprise.

[Bruke]

He must be stopped.

First, it's the death penalty. Next, it's the global Inquisition.

No one expects it. His chief weapon is surprise.

We will stop him by enacting ultra-luxurious capitalist anarcho-communism.

[Antlionia]

President Willis stood up, hands on the desk.

"These are wise words, enterprising men. But do you have the slightliest of ideas how much it would backlash in your face if it failed, or even if it was accepted? Mankind always seemed to prefer nonsense to rationality."

He sat back down, continuing to talk.

"The people of Antlionia will support you in your crusade against this inhumane way to treat men and women, But keep in mind that if it fails, you're on your own, Komaransky.

[Grays Harbor]

He must be stopped.

First, it's the death penalty. Next, it's the global Inquisition.

No one expects it. His chief weapon is surprise.

His chief weapon is surprise, fear and surprise; two chief weapons, fear, surprise, and ruthless efficiency! Er, among UM’s chief weapons are: fear, surprise, ruthless efficiency, and near fanatical devotion to the Pope!

Um, I'll come in again...”