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by Telconi » Sat Jul 21, 2018 8:39 pm
by United Massachusetts » Sat Jul 21, 2018 8:40 pm
Godular wrote:Finally got home to my computer so I could think up a decent poll.
Before anybody says anything about that last option: Well, it IS unreasonable!
by Godular » Sat Jul 21, 2018 8:40 pm
United Massachusetts wrote:Godular wrote:Finally got home to my computer so I could think up a decent poll.
Before anybody says anything about that last option: Well, it IS unreasonable!
You're missing the stance of most pro-lifers, myself included--opposition to abortion only in cases where the mother's health is in danger.
Hopefully I'll be more active here.
by Kombinita Socialisma Demokratio » Sat Jul 21, 2018 8:41 pm
United Massachusetts wrote:Godular wrote:Finally got home to my computer so I could think up a decent poll.
Before anybody says anything about that last option: Well, it IS unreasonable!
You're missing the stance of most pro-lifers, myself included--opposition to abortion only in cases where the mother's health is in danger.
Hopefully I'll be more active here.
by United Massachusetts » Sat Jul 21, 2018 8:41 pm
by Godular » Sat Jul 21, 2018 8:43 pm
by United Massachusetts » Sat Jul 21, 2018 8:43 pm
by The South Falls » Sat Jul 21, 2018 8:44 pm
by United Massachusetts » Sat Jul 21, 2018 8:44 pm
by Torrocca » Sat Jul 21, 2018 8:45 pm
by Kombinita Socialisma Demokratio » Sat Jul 21, 2018 8:46 pm
United Massachusetts wrote:
It has human genetics, and in many cases, human features.
A fetus is in every medical sense of the phrase a living organism. That cannot be denied. I think human genetics lend us to assume it is human. The question, therefore, is when it is OK to kill a living, human organism?
by United Massachusetts » Sat Jul 21, 2018 8:46 pm
by Telconi » Sat Jul 21, 2018 8:46 pm
by Kombinita Socialisma Demokratio » Sat Jul 21, 2018 8:47 pm
United Massachusetts wrote:Godular wrote:
I think it's pretty clear cut. If you wish to specify an order of magnitude you can do so in a post.
It doesn't specify what degree of complication or on who's end. For instance, a complication that could risk the life of the child is not a valid reason for abortion.
by Kombinita Socialisma Demokratio » Sat Jul 21, 2018 8:47 pm
by Godular » Sat Jul 21, 2018 8:47 pm
United Massachusetts wrote:Godular wrote:
I think it's pretty clear cut. If you wish to specify an order of magnitude you can do so in a post.
It doesn't specify what degree of complication or on who's end. For instance, a complication that could risk the life of the child is not a valid reason for abortion.
by United Massachusetts » Sat Jul 21, 2018 8:48 pm
Torrocca wrote:Apparently, a fifteen-year-old Indonesian girl was recently jailed after aborting a baby that was the product of incest and rape at the hands of her brother. Thoughts on this?
Personally, it's some fucked up shit. Abortion should genuinely be a human right that women have because women have numerous, legitimate reasons to get an abortion; it shouldn't be denied to them because of religious beliefs or what-have-you. Sure as shit there'll be people that abuse the system, but all in all, it should be elective (at least, until viability).
Kombinita Socialisma Demokratio wrote:United Massachusetts wrote:It has human genetics, and in many cases, human features.
A fetus is in every medical sense of the phrase a living organism. That cannot be denied. I think human genetics lend us to assume it is human. The question, therefore, is when it is OK to kill a living, human organism?
Not in war.
Not as punishment/revenge.
Not because someone tripped onto your yard from the sidewalk.
None of those are certain threats. Medically required is more certain than being robbed.
by Telconi » Sat Jul 21, 2018 8:48 pm
by Torrocca » Sat Jul 21, 2018 8:49 pm
United Massachusetts wrote:Torrocca wrote:Apparently, a fifteen-year-old Indonesian girl was recently jailed after aborting a baby that was the product of incest and rape at the hands of her brother. Thoughts on this?
Personally, it's some fucked up shit. Abortion should genuinely be a human right that women have because women have numerous, legitimate reasons to get an abortion; it shouldn't be denied to them because of religious beliefs or what-have-you. Sure as shit there'll be people that abuse the system, but all in all, it should be elective (at least, until viability).
Women should not be punished for abortion. Doctors should.
by Telconi » Sat Jul 21, 2018 8:50 pm
United Massachusetts wrote:Torrocca wrote:Apparently, a fifteen-year-old Indonesian girl was recently jailed after aborting a baby that was the product of incest and rape at the hands of her brother. Thoughts on this?
Personally, it's some fucked up shit. Abortion should genuinely be a human right that women have because women have numerous, legitimate reasons to get an abortion; it shouldn't be denied to them because of religious beliefs or what-have-you. Sure as shit there'll be people that abuse the system, but all in all, it should be elective (at least, until viability).
Women should not be punished for abortion. Doctors should.Kombinita Socialisma Demokratio wrote:Not in war.
Not as punishment/revenge.
Not because someone tripped onto your yard from the sidewalk.
None of those are certain threats. Medically required is more certain than being robbed.
Would one be justified in killing a person that they welcomed onto a property just because they wanted to?
by Kombinita Socialisma Demokratio » Sat Jul 21, 2018 8:50 pm
United Massachusetts wrote:Torrocca wrote:Apparently, a fifteen-year-old Indonesian girl was recently jailed after aborting a baby that was the product of incest and rape at the hands of her brother. Thoughts on this?
Personally, it's some fucked up shit. Abortion should genuinely be a human right that women have because women have numerous, legitimate reasons to get an abortion; it shouldn't be denied to them because of religious beliefs or what-have-you. Sure as shit there'll be people that abuse the system, but all in all, it should be elective (at least, until viability).
Women should not be punished for abortion. Doctors should.Kombinita Socialisma Demokratio wrote:Not in war.
Not as punishment/revenge.
Not because someone tripped onto your yard from the sidewalk.
None of those are certain threats. Medically required is more certain than being robbed.
Would one be justified in killing a person that they welcomed onto a property just because they wanted to?
by Telconi » Sat Jul 21, 2018 8:51 pm
Kombinita Socialisma Demokratio wrote:United Massachusetts wrote:Women should not be punished for abortion. Doctors should.
Would one be justified in killing a person that they welcomed onto a property just because they wanted to?
Never. (However, I use a definition of person that does not include all humans, and humans does not include all people).
by United Massachusetts » Sat Jul 21, 2018 8:51 pm
Godular wrote:United Massachusetts wrote:It doesn't specify what degree of complication or on who's end. For instance, a complication that could risk the life of the child is not a valid reason for abortion.
See, at that point you're being obtuse. I have a separate option for fetal abnormality, and invite posters to specify if they feel it necessary to do so. Polls have a maximum of 10 options, and I worked to cover every base I could think of.
by United Massachusetts » Sat Jul 21, 2018 8:54 pm
Telconi wrote:United Massachusetts wrote:Women should not be punished for abortion. Doctors should.
Would one be justified in killing a person that they welcomed onto a property just because they wanted to?
Eh, the no punishment for women is silly, we punish people who hire hit men, despite not having actually physically harmed anyone.
Kombinita Socialisma Demokratio wrote:United Massachusetts wrote:Women should not be punished for abortion. Doctors should.
Would one be justified in killing a person that they welcomed onto a property just because they wanted to?
Never. (However, I use a definition of person that does not include all humans, and humans does not include all people).
by Kombinita Socialisma Demokratio » Sat Jul 21, 2018 8:54 pm
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