[OOC] [TWI-Only] N+C Argus Collaboration Thread

[Ainslie]

Gday! So I noticed that there are many nations in Central and North Argus that are willing to collaborate with each other on a large scale. I define central+north argus as any place on the continental land mass of Argus which is latitudinally higher than the southern canal. South Argus nations are welcome in this thread, and feel free to collaborate in it - but the scope here is North and Central Argus. Matters regarding trade agreements, treaties and multinational organisations should be dealt with in their respective threads. Major projects can be featured here, but this thread is not designed to be an area for large scale planning, but rather a waypoint for discussions like these. Of course, short - medium matters can be dealt with here, such as advertising shop fronts and historical projects, but nothing that is very large in scale.

Current Projects/Discussions

• To be decided on, feel free to suggest something in the thread

This thread is for nations from The Western Isles only. Imposters shall be dealt with.

[Vancouvia]

Always a bridesmaid, never a bride

[The Socialist Republics of Combrekniza]

Tottenkopf.
(I'll use this for tags until you guys find out what it means!)

[Segentova]

Tottenkopf.
(I'll use this for tags until you guys find out what it means!)

By any chance would you refer to the Totenkopf?
Because as it is i am quite conversant in German and may or may not have noticed a small typo.

[The Socialist Republics of Combrekniza]

Tottenkopf.
(I'll use this for tags until you guys find out what it means!)

By any chance would you refer to the Totenkopf?
Because as it is i am quite conversant in German and may or may not have noticed a small typo.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Totenkopf

[Torom]

I'll leave a tag here for now, so I won't have to search, but I may or may not send a suggestion soon. Still in the works.(not really).

[Alteran Republics]

Going to see if we can inject some life back into the old girl.
Any chance of a Trans-Argus railway network?

[Torom]

Going to see if we can inject some life back into the old girl.
Any chance of a Trans-Argus railway network?

Well, we have a gaping wasteland in the center of argus, so.....

[Ainslie]

The Central Argus Proposal

Introduction
Central Argus has been an area of promise for a long time. Many nations have impressed in the short term yet were not able to find sustainable RP opportunities as a nation in the area. This new Central Argus Proposal and its various subsidiaries is designed to provide an anchor for collaborative canon and a starting point for dialogue between Central Argus nations. By no means it is a definitive list of what will/should happen, but rather is a set of conversation starters put into one post. One of my main focuses for Keverai was to have it be an anchor for canon and active nations in the area, a nation that they could roleplay with and stay here knowing that they have opportunities and that their effort is not underutilised. This in no way is designed to make the Central Argus nations past or present seem like they have not given opportunities. Rather, what is needed in my opinion is a holistic and multinational look at canon in Argus. We have a great opportunity now with the limited amount of nations in the region to set some foundations for long term collaboration. I also heard that the Great Argus Wars Project is underway again and I welcome nations to discuss that on this thread - specifically, it would be a great place to give overviews of your nation’s involvement in these events rather than the technicalities of it.

And with that, let the ideas begin.

The Ideas
History to 1900: A foundation for Central Argus Canon

• 1260BC - Many Ipachis leave Samudera and Ainslie due to worsening conditions and deteriorating civilisations. Canon
• 1200BC - An ethnic group related to the Ipachis (the Dibolan) discover the eastern coast of Torom. Canon
• 1100BC - Ethnic groups related to the Ipachi settlers first discover the lands around Great-Imperialonia, and establish their indigenous religions - they become known as the “Garanah”. Prominent scholars of this faith begin to set sail in order to influence the other ipachis. This led to the idea of star worshipping, which was already a part of Ipachi religion. The practical applications of the constellation kenaris (that being it led people back to more native Ipachi lands and safely back again) solidified the constellation as having strong signifiance to the Ipachi people Non-Canon
• 948BC - People of the “Kesanah” ethnicity land in Keverai, after expanding from modern-day Great Imperialonia. To be put into canon
• 830BC - Kesanah ethnicity move into Habertland, particularly its western parts, by sailing up the small cove that links southern Keverai to western Habertland. To be put into canon
• 740BC - Garanah build sustainable, centralised settlements along the coast. Non-canon
• Around 300BC - Avoman people, the Toromish “mountain people” arrive in the area, presumably from the western mountains Canon
• 200BC - Dibolan built up city-states which grew on the peninsula and coastal regions. Canon
• 500AD - First Toromish kingdom backed by historical records said to be Meva on the western side of Levme bay Canon
• 500AD - 1565AD? - Warring kingdom periods in Torom Canon (kinda)
• 1295AD - City-states form along the coast, all independent and ruled by nobles. Some had early republican forms of government. (bring this up to 1532?) Canon
• 1311AD - Modern-day Gussatter City, a major city for trade between Stivmas and Lavich, revolts and gains independence as a merchant republic. This inspires others to follow suit, and a confederation of merchant republics begins to rise. Canon
• 1584 - A confederation of merchant republics, led by modern-day Gussater City, through the Treaty of Meva becomes a single republic which rules over the region of modern-day Torom. Canon
• 1470-1580 - War over trade monopoly in the northern Southern Sea between Kingdom of Sanggar, the Norland Trading Company and Torom Kinda canon
• 1510 (can we change this to 1576?) - King of Spain calls for the christianisation of Central Argus Kinda canon
• 1532? - Piracy becomes serious threat, and the Norland Trading Company (not the Spanish in this proposal) offer protection in return for gold and silver and preferential treatment. (This could become an RP later) non-canon
• 1577 - A more radical expedition of christians seek to “purify” argus of the “heretic religions” Yes, we’re having a crusade. non-canon
• 1578 - The mostly catholic Norland Trading Company backs the crusaders and offers transport, facilitating a genocide of the indigenous peoples of Central Argus. non-canon
• 1580 - Torom narrowly defeated Sanggari naval forces, prompting its retreat from the Trade War non-canon
• 1583 - The Norland Trading Company annex modern-day Keverai in a blood bath, installing a puppet government led by Guillaume Kevere. This really annoys the Toromish who were already competitive with the city-state
• 1614 - Imperialonian nobles, in response to the previous “crusade”, decide to create an empire and go expansionist (idea would be to move imperium argorum back to here) Kinda canon
• 1648 - Emperor Romulus I executed in 1648 by NTC and european colonial friends. Non-canon
• 1650 - The ten noblemen of Great-Imperialonia take back their own regions. canon
• 1667 - NTC sends a major resupply fleet to Keverai, as local natives begin to pose a genuine threat to the sustainability of the colony. canon
• 1674 - Norland Trading Company falls into bankruptcy slowly after 5 years of negative growth. Leads to a change in priorities and new personnel on the Arbore Council. Former NTC personnel tried as war criminals. Keverai falls into the hands of Guillaume Kevere quickly, who seeks to build a strong and small nation out of the ashes. canon
• 1710 - The Mercantile Rebelllion, a massive civil war rocks Torom, causing it to begin declining. To be put into canon
• 1750 - Imperialonian nobles worried that the europeans will invade Norlands and Keverai before mowing down Central Argus, they seek the backing of another power - who would become Prussia. (Normal GI-Prussia canon remains) canon
• Early 17th century - “war hero” king james doesn’t know how to lead in peacetime and mismanagement leads to a civil war…. (standard canon here) non-canon
• 1799 - Great-Imperialonia employs the services of Noronica (instead of Agadar), which gives them a jumping point to then invade Habertland from multiple directions. In an effort to not repeat the mistakes of the europeans, they have a relaxed leadership, letting the natives do what they want most of the time. canon
• 1781 - Following Noronnican advice, the Kevaran dictator restructures the Kevaran Government, mirroring the structure Wellinian Government, he elected a group people he viewed positively for their merits as fellow ‘Consuls’. Soon to be canon
• 1812 - Soon after, an oligarchic republic was established in the country and was named the Commonwealth of Torom in 1812. canon
• 1864 - Wellinian authorities finally have the diplomatic capital to reclaim Keverai, but it is a far different nation to what it used to be. Despite this, they still wanted to invade. In order to prevent a world war and sacrifice Ahnslen unification, Jonathan Westfall-Moore, pioneer of modern Ainslie intervenes to calm the heads of the Wellians. canon
• 1865 - Westfall Moore personally offers a deal to the Chief Consul of Keverai at the time, promising autonomy in return for Keverai to be absorbed into Ainslie. The CC at the time saw the possibility of a Wellinian invasion (And the argus-wide doom it could create) and accepted the deal. Canon

Political Parties of Central Argus

• Keverai: Argus Conservatives, Party for Moral and National Enlightenment, the Party for International Progress, the Development Party.
• Torom:
• Great Imperialonia:
• Habertland:
• Oturia:
• Menna Shuli:
• Coshoriria:

Animals Already in Central Argus

• Torom (a nation in the north of Central Argus)
  Fauna
  Argean ibex (Capra argenaica)
  Laughing Kookaburra (Dacelo Novaeguineae)
  Pine marten (Martes martes)
  Racoons (Procyon lotor)
  Corrboree frog (Pseudophryne corroboree)
  Swamp rabbit (Sylvilagus aquaticus)
  Grey Wolf (Canis lupus)
  Green Rosella (Platycercus caledonicus)
  Yellow-throated Honeyeater (Nesoptilotis flavicollis)
  Whistling tree frog (Litoria ewingii)
  
  Flora
  Deciduous beech (Fuscospora gunnii)
  Mountain Grevillea (Grevillea alpina)
  Silver birch (Betula pendula)
  Mountain spruce (Picea mons)
  Toroman oak (Quercus dormi)
  Common red poppy (Papaver rhoeas)
  Lily of the valley (Convallaria majalis)
  
  
• Keverai (a nation in the south of Central Argus)
  Animals
  Mandarin Duck (Aix galericulata)
  Eastern Water Dragon (Physignathus lesueuii)
  Black Swan (Cygnus Aratus).
  Koala (Phascolarctos cinerus)
  Laughing Kookaburra (Dacelo Novaeguineae)
  Argus Brush Turkey (Alectura Lathami)
  Goldfinch (Carduelis carduelis)
  Common Blackbird (Turdus merula)
  Ocellaris Clownfish (Amphiprion ocellaris)
  Eastern brown snake (Pseudonaja textilis)
  Two funnelweb species: the Northern Tree funnel-web spider (Hadronyche formidabilis) and the Southern tree funnel-web spider (Hadronyche cerberea)
  Stratlan Trapdoor spider (Misgolas rapax)
  Black Currawong (Strepera Fuliginosa)
  Southern brown tree frog (Litoria ewingii)
  Argus Alligator (Aligator mississippiensis)
  Cottonmouth Snake (Agkistrodon Piscivorus)
  Charger Ant (like an electric ant)
  
  Flora
  West Coast Pine (Araucaria Heterophylla)
  Eastern Water Dragon (Physignathus lesueuii)
  Golden Penda (Xanthostemon chrysanthus)
  Silver Banksia (Banksia marginata)
  Southern Magnolia (Magnolia grandiflora)
  Loblolly Pine (Pinus Taeda)
  Red seeded dandelion (Taraxacum Erythrosperum)
  Hibiscus plants: including the Hibiscus Waimeae and Hibiscus arnottianus

Potential Canon Culls/Significant Canon Changes

• Great-Imperialonia - Removing jewish settlers and greek refugees fleeing from roman persecution in order to extend the significance of the romans (also makes things more realistic)
• Great-Imperialonia + Torom - Periods of city-states brought back to the 16th Century in order to capitalise on existing canon involving various trading companies. This also allows for the issue of Imperialonia having piracy to be brought to very strong prominence.
• Noronica has significant influence over the formation of many Central Argus modern states
• Norlanders (modern day french like ahnslens) continue to experience discrimination and hostility from Central Argusians for backstabbing them and siding with the europeans. They are seen in a darker light than european colonialism because of the betrayal of trust.

Impacts on Modern-Day Canon

• All of the central argus nations with this canon have a dark past due to european colonials now. Like american indians, or australian aboriginals, the modern day governments are forced to address the inequalities between the indigenous and the colonial/settlers despite having no direct stake in it.
  This would empower nationalist/isolationist groups in central argus, as well as the liberal left, which could create interesting scenarios politically.

Nationbuilding Prompt Questions (If you feel like answering some stuff)

1. What political parties are in your nation?
2. What kind of flora and fauna do you have in your nation?
3. What are the underlying cultural traits of your nation, and how have they influenced the formation of your modern-day nation-state.
4. How do the natives (if any) interact modern day with your nation’s immigrants/colonials etc.
5. How has globalisation affected your nation, and how have relations from nations outside of Central Argus affected your nation?
6. What is your nation’s infrastructure like (rail/road/sea/air) and how willing would your nation be to collaborate in multinational infrastructure projects now or in the past?
7. Would you be willing to let Vancouvia, the not so fat controller into your nation to formalise the construction of a north-south Argus railway (this is assumed, but we can definitely make it canon).

So, all this is really a basis of discussion. If you’re a nation between the two canals and have not been included in some of the lists above, let me know and I’ll add you.

I think I’ll start writing more frequent nationbuilding prompts for North + Central Argus so we can accelerate the growth of canon and keep you all inspired to write more factbooks. Just a note on Keverai, it’ll really need some attention and I’ll be getting round to that int he near future. I apologise if my activity on this thread is a bit patchy for the next few weeks - exam season is coming quickly towards me.

[Athara Magarat]

Interesting!

[Vancouvia]

7. Would you be willing to let Vancouvia, the not so fat controller into your nation to formalise the construction of a north-south Argus railway (this is assumed, but we can definitely make it canon): Yes

[Torom]

1. What political parties are in your nation? N/A

2. What kind of flora and fauna do you have in your nation? Don't need to say

3. What are the underlying cultural traits of your nation, and how have they influenced the formation of your modern-day nation-state. They are curious and nosy beyond belief and it affected how modern Toroman culture is so affected by European styles.

4. How do the natives (if any) interact modern day with your nation’s immigrants/colonials etc. Pretty well for the most part and no one puts too much into mind on immigrants, except when the people decide to interview the foreigner to squeeze out as much as they can from them.

5. How has globalisation affected your nation, and how have relations from nations outside of Central Argus affected your nation? Globalisation basically helped create the Toroman economy and it treat its non-Argean relations as seriously or even more seriously then relations in Argus.

6. What is your nation’s infrastructure like (rail/road/sea/air) and how willing would your nation be to collaborate in multinational infrastructure projects now or in the past? Pretty good infrastructure in general and Yes.

7. Would you be willing to let Vancouvia, the not so fat controller into your nation to formalise the construction of a north-south Argus railway (this is assumed, but we can definitely make it canon). Yes

[Oturia]

Only tagging this because I'm registered as central Argus though I am more associated with the south and consider myself as Southern Argean

[Gamadion]

I'd certainly be happy with a railway through Gamadion!

To answer the questions posed:
1. No political parties, one leader, has been the leader for quite some time. Beginnings of rumblings about a successor.

2. No idea, hadn't thought of it yet.

3. Cultural traits include, but are not limited to: acceptance, secularism, work ethic, compassion, and pacifisim (but not such that inaction would cause more violence), liberal socialisim, and lack of government involvement in marriage, the church, and low level drugs.

4. Most natives have been assimilated, if any were left. Gamadion had a cultural purge about 20 years before the current leader took over.

5. Hopes to sell more, and make strong alliances, as well as further environmentalism, socialisim, and values alliances with a variety of nations.

6. Has excellent public transportation, but few public planes. As of the past 20 years or so, would have participated in multinational infrastructure.

[Oturia]

low level drugs. .

Lost me

[Gamadion]

Also, I was hoping to host a pretty interactive RP where I invited a bunch of leaders to visit Gamadion to showcase technology, and culture. There would be opportunity to interact with each other, NPC's, and would be a relatively open sandbox style political intrigue type deal. Does that sound interesting to anyone here?

[Gamadion]

low level drugs. .

Lost me

Marijuana, alcohol, LSD, etc, heroin is a no go.

[Oturia]

Lost me

Marijuana, alcohol, LSD, etc, heroin is a no go.

All of those are legal in Oturia.

[Weinam]

Taggy Mctagface

[Torom]

Also, I was hoping to host a pretty interactive RP where I invited a bunch of leaders to visit Gamadion to showcase technology, and culture. There would be opportunity to interact with each other, NPC's, and would be a relatively open sandbox style political intrigue type deal. Does that sound interesting to anyone here?

I'd certainly be happy with a railway through Gamadion!

To answer the questions posed:
1. No political parties, one leader, has been the leader for quite some time. Beginnings of rumblings about a successor.

2. No idea, hadn't thought of it yet.

3. Cultural traits include, but are not limited to: acceptance, secularism, work ethic, compassion, and pacifisim (but not such that inaction would cause more violence), liberal socialisim, and lack of government involvement in marriage, the church, and low level drugs.

4. Most natives have been assimilated, if any were left. Gamadion had a cultural purge about 20 years before the current leader took over.

5. Hopes to sell more, and make strong alliances, as well as further environmentalism, socialisim, and values alliances with a variety of nations.

6. Has excellent public transportation, but few public planes. As of the past 20 years or so, would have participated in multinational infrastructure.

We can plan some interactions, since you know... You completely surround me on every land border.

[Gamadion]

Whoops... sounds good to me!

[Athara Magarat]

I am so going to be involved here now

[Ainslie]

I am so going to be involved here now

We could certainly fit your 30th parallel war into this

[Athara Magarat]

We could certainly fit your 30th parallel war into this

Aye, so this 30th Parallel War thread was just started today. Posting this here for promotion. Thanks for the idea

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[Athara Magarat]

Let me start of my promoting my companies in here.

https://www.nationstates.net/nation=ath ... id=1086081

https://www.nationstates.net/nation=ath ... id=1024955

Thing is AM companies are that they are mostly small ones. I will be very, very happy to lend them as "subsidiaries" of great companies from your nations