UK Politics Thread VIII—Can't Let EU Go

[Ostroeuropa]

I’m still a bit lost as to why we don’t have a coalition between Labour and the Conservatives, since Brexit is the biggest political thing to happen in fifty years.

Partisanship is the only thing keeping the kakistocracy afloat. A national government would lead to alternative parties, and with the Lib Dems fucked on that front we'd see the greens, celtic nationalists, and maybe UKIP or some other right wing populist party. The last thing these people want to do is recreate the same situation that forced them into brexit.

[Vassenor]

Thats a French group though?

And that's an identitarian flag.

And if we've learned anything it's that the hardcore groups in NI will pick their allegiances based more on opposing the other side rather than what is ideologically consistent.

[Albennia]

And that's an identitarian flag.

What does that have to do with Unité Radicale

probably Unité Radicale being the predecessor of the Bloc Identitaire?

[MERIZoC]

What does that have to do with Unité Radicale

probably Unité Radicale being the predecessor of the Bloc Identitaire?

You understand this is a separate group? In the UK?

[Albennia]

probably Unité Radicale being the predecessor of the Bloc Identitaire?

You understand this is a separate group? In the UK?

You mean the British branch of their former youth wing?

[Questers]

Is it time to abolish democracy

Yes.

[Painisia]

Well, the question is will there be a Brexit? There was a large pro-EU demonstration this day in London, and it seems people are starting to wonder if Brexit will bring any positive results to the UK. The media has written countless of articles, all of them asking if Brexit was worth it. I feel like Brexit will affect the UK VERY HARD. The future seems uncertain and blurry. Maybe the British traditional political parties will fade away? Maybe Britain will have deep societal changes?

[The Huskar Social Union]

I honestly wouldnt put much stock into that flag, considering there is a token irish flag there as well, that flag was most likely adopted by someone to use here.

Again, these people protesting, make nazi salutes with the israeli flag above them, and tend to burn a lot of irish flags on bonfires around the 12th of July.

Fuck, some muppets even hung nazi german flags off of lamp posts alongside israeli flags once a few years back.

[The Huskar Social Union]

I’m still a bit lost as to why we don’t have a coalition between Labour and the Conservatives, since Brexit is the biggest political thing to happen in fifty years.

Is it time to abolish democracy in favour of a Mogg/Galloway/Robinson triumvirate?

Nah im good thanks.

[Fartsniffage]

Is it time to abolish democracy in favour of a Mogg/Galloway/Robinson triumvirate?

Nah im good thanks.

Someone needs to get you NI types back in hand. I imagine Mogg has some ideas about that.....

[The Huskar Social Union]

Nah im good thanks.

Someone needs to get you NI types back in hand. I imagine Mogg has some ideas about that.....

Mogg can jog away off and fuck himself.

[Vassenor]

Someone needs to get you NI types back in hand. I imagine Mogg has some ideas about that.....

Mogg can jog away off and fuck himself.

Amen.

[Dumb Ideologies]

Someone needs to get you NI types back in hand. I imagine Mogg has some ideas about that.....

Mogg can jog away off and fuck himself.

He can't be expected to do that by himself, that's one of the many everyday tasks Nanny takes care of for him.

[Dooom35796821595]

I’m still a bit lost as to why we don’t have a coalition between Labour and the Conservatives, since Brexit is the biggest political thing to happen in fifty years.

Partisanship is the only thing keeping the kakistocracy afloat. A national government would lead to alternative parties, and with the Lib Dems fucked on that front we'd see the greens, celtic nationalists, and maybe UKIP or some other right wing populist party. The last thing these people want to do is recreate the same situation that forced them into brexit.

So rule by Tory idiots, rule by Labour idiots, or by third party idiots?

Businesses as usual then.

[Vassenor]

Hunt's complaining that businesses aren't marching to the Government's tune.

Maybe instead of complaining that they might leave you try and convince them to stay?

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

Hunt's complaining that businesses aren't marching to the Government's tune.

Maybe instead of complaining that they might leave you try and convince them to stay?

Seems inappropriate that the Health Secretary is making statements about business. Is he giving his own opinion, the government view, or has his remit expanded again?

[Caracasus]

Hunt's complaining that businesses aren't marching to the Government's tune.

Maybe instead of complaining that they might leave you try and convince them to stay?

Seems inappropriate that the Health Secretary is making statements about business. Is he giving his own opinion, the government view, or has his remit expanded again?

Well we had Priti Patel setting up deals with Israel without any oversight on holiday and Johnson telling people to fuck off randomly...

Seems like business as usual. This lot can't even pretend to look normal or professional.

[Ostroeuropa]

The Tories and the board for equalities in education have decided to focus on working class white males for a while. Good news obviously, and shows a level of political courage from the Tories that I didn't expect, given the overall political narrative on this topic from the left.

[Vassenor]

The Tories and the board for equalities in education have decided to focus on working class white males for a while. Good news obviously, and shows a level of political courage from the Tories that I didn't expect, given the overall political narrative on this topic from the left.

Remember, focusing on the group that faces some of the least oppression in modern society takes courage.

[Ostroeuropa]

The Tories and the board for equalities in education have decided to focus on working class white males for a while. Good news obviously, and shows a level of political courage from the Tories that I didn't expect, given the overall political narrative on this topic from the left.

Remember, focusing on the group that faces some of the least oppression in modern society takes courage.

The education system is failing them more than any other group, your understanding of oppression is based in a fictional narrative not reflective of reality, and the number of people who buy into it rather than bother to investigate the facts and will accuse or imply people are racist for going against it is precisely why this took courage.


What's interesting about it is that the facts completely debunk the progressive narratives about "dead white males", as the presence of these figures in the curriculum hasn't prevented working class white males being the group least likely to go to university, revealing that progressive efforts here are based in feels over reals and amount to superficial changes for which they can then congratulate themselves rather than structural changes to actually benefit peoples lives or the nation. Probably because even taking a second to investigate rather than relying on superficial and spurious narratives would reveal working class white males as the group they should be helping.

[Vassenor]

Remember, focusing on the group that faces some of the least oppression in modern society takes courage.

The education system is failing them more than any other group, your understanding of oppression is based in a fictional narrative not reflective of reality, and the number of people who buy into it rather than bother to investigate the facts and will accuse or imply people are racist for going against it is precisely why this took courage.


What's interesting about it is that the facts completely debunk the progressive narratives about "dead white males", as the presence of these figures in the curriculum hasn't prevented working class white males being the group least likely to go to university, revealing that progressive efforts here are based in feels over reals and amount to superficial changes for which they can then congratulate themselves rather than structural changes to actually benefit peoples lives or the nation. Probably because even taking a second to investigate rather than relying on superficial and spurious narratives would reveal working class white males as the group they should be helping.

So let's see those facts then. How is the working class white male the most deliberately oppressed group in education?

[Ostroeuropa]

So let's see those facts then. How is the working class white male the most deliberately oppressed group in education?

Remember, it's only bias if it's explicit, apparently.

Because those are some pretty odd questions to base your sentencing decisions on.

Oh look, another instance of hypocrisy from you.
(Brought this here as evidence you are insincere in your demands, much like the previous instance of your racist and sexist double standards where you took up the same argument as the "Civil unions should be enough" crowd.)

Why do you have a double standard when it comes to men, vass? is it because it allows you to ignore, erase, and downplay discrimination against them because you want it there? That seems the most straightforward explanation.

[Vassenor]

So let's see those facts then. How is the working class white male the most deliberately oppressed group in education?

They're least likely to get A levels, GCSEs, and least likely to go to university.
The education system not addressing that for years and trying to fix it was systemic oppression, given the duties of the education system.
It's fairly straightforward.

Once again you utilize a standard for oppression of males and whites you explicitly downplay elsewhere and ask for deliberate, apparently you think only conspiracy can cause systemic problems when it comes to males/whites, is that because you're deliberately holding a racist and sexist double standard against them, or is it just a bias you have that you haven't examined?

There's a difference between "this happens" and "this is systemic oppression".

For example, would you say that female students being less likely to go into STEM courses at any level is a thing that happens, or a case of systemic oppression?

[Ostroeuropa]

They're least likely to get A levels, GCSEs, and least likely to go to university.
The education system not addressing that for years and trying to fix it was systemic oppression, given the duties of the education system.
It's fairly straightforward.

Once again you utilize a standard for oppression of males and whites you explicitly downplay elsewhere and ask for deliberate, apparently you think only conspiracy can cause systemic problems when it comes to males/whites, is that because you're deliberately holding a racist and sexist double standard against them, or is it just a bias you have that you haven't examined?

There's a difference between "this happens" and "this is systemic oppression".

For example, would you say that female students being less likely to go into STEM courses at any level is a thing that happens, or a case of systemic oppression?

There's already evidence that teachers discriminate against boys, and the yougov polling on the most hated demographic shows that young white males are the most disliked demographic in the nation. Moreover there is no effort to encourage white males to aspire as they are portrayed as already in control and powerful, a fact that causes the progressive narrative to be a part of this systemic oppression of white males when you account for their lower levels of aspiration. Further, there's been efforts to fix low results in other demographics and they were clearly successful, failing to do so for white males for years because it made people upset their narrative was wrong is oppression. If it was another race or gender, they would have been helped out already.

Yes, and yes, that is an example of it in some cases. Guess what, we're trying to fix that and have been since it was pointed out.

[Vassenor]

There's a difference between "this happens" and "this is systemic oppression".

For example, would you say that female students being less likely to go into STEM courses at any level is a thing that happens, or a case of systemic oppression?

There's already evidence that teachers discriminate against boys, and the yougov polling on the most hated demographic shows that young white males are the most disliked demographic in the nation. Moreover there is no effort to encourage white males to aspire as they are portrayed as already in control and powerful, a fact that causes the progressive narrative to be a part of this systemic oppression of white males when you account for their lower levels of aspiration. Further, there's been efforts to fix low results in other demographics and they were clearly successful, failing to do so for white males for years because it made people upset their narrative was wrong is oppression. If it was another race or gender, they would have been helped out already.

Yes, and yes, that is an example of it in some cases. Guess what, we're trying to fix that and have been since it was pointed out.

So what is your evidence that the white working class male demographic was passed over for narrative reasons? And that said narrative is responsible for said lower levels of aspiration?