by Unstoppable Empire of Doom » Wed Jun 13, 2018 10:20 am
by Salus Maior » Wed Jun 13, 2018 10:29 am
by The Huskar Social Union » Wed Jun 13, 2018 10:32 am
Salus Maior wrote:I think Tanks still have a while left before things start changing.
by The Greater Ohio Valley » Wed Jun 13, 2018 10:41 am
by Purpelia » Wed Jun 13, 2018 10:44 am
by Trumptonium1 » Wed Jun 13, 2018 10:45 am
by Petrolheadia » Wed Jun 13, 2018 10:49 am
by Internationalist Bastard » Wed Jun 13, 2018 10:51 am
by -United Republic of Freedonia » Wed Jun 13, 2018 10:57 am
by Internationalist Bastard » Wed Jun 13, 2018 10:57 am
Trumptonium1 wrote:let's put it this way - if you're in an open field with no air support, a tank is definitely not something you want to see, regardless of your equipment.
by Thermodolia » Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:01 am
Internationalist Bastard wrote:As former infantry I can give my pure unbiased opinion that tanks are dumb and people who drive them smell their own farts
by Internationalist Bastard » Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:02 am
by Engleberg » Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:02 am
Umbrellya wrote:"You are literally the most unashamed German I've ever met."
Wiena wrote:"Engleberg you surely are the most savage guy in the whole game."
West Leas Oros 2 wrote:Anything Left of Center: *exists*
Engle: FUCKING REDS!
by Evil Dictators Happyland » Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:03 am
by Thermodolia » Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:04 am
by Fartsniffage » Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:04 am
Unstoppable Empire of Doom wrote:Tanks are possibly coming to that point in their history. At 2 to 10 million USD a vehicle they are expensive to build and maintain. Even modern variants can be destroyed by relatively inexpensive personal weaponry. They rarely engage each other. APC's and other "light" combat vehicles have been up armored and upgunned in continual mission creep. It's nearly to the point where a Bradly or btr can stand in for a tank. Anything requiring heavier firepower may come from the air.
During the 2003 invasion of Iraq, the Challenger 2 tanks suffered no tank losses to Iraqi fire, although one was penetrated by an Improvised explosive device (IED). This was, at the time, unprotected by Dorchester armour. The driver was injured. In one encounter within an urban area, a Challenger 2 came under attack from irregular forces with machine guns and rocket propelled grenades. The driver's sight was damaged and while attempting to back away under the commander's directions, the other sights were damaged and the tank threw its tracks entering a ditch. It was hit by 14 rocket propelled grenades from close range and a MILAN anti-tank missile.[32] The crew survived, safe within the tank until it was recovered for repairs, the worst damage being to the sighting system. It was back in operation six hours later. One Challenger 2 operating near Basra survived being hit by 70 RPGs in another incident.[33]
In August 2006 south east of al-Amarah, southern Iraq, an RPG-29 capable of firing a tandem-charge penetrated the frontal lower underbelly armour of a Challenger 2 commanded by Captain Thomas Williams of The Queens's Royal Hussars. The tank, which had already been hit by 10–15 RPGs, small arms and sniper fire, was attempting to draw fire away from another callsign that had become stricken.[citation needed] Its driver, Trooper Sean Chance, lost part of his foot in the blast; two more of the crew were slightly injured. Chance was able to reverse the vehicle 1.5 mi (2.4 km) to the regimental aid post despite his injuries.
by Internationalist Bastard » Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:04 am
Engleberg wrote:The technology of the tank has improved over the 100 years of its existence, and today our main battle tanks are the most advanced they have ever been. Rounds capable of penetrating 500+ mm of armour, composite armour made to withstand these rounds, technology that allows them to see in the dark, etc. As with every form of technology, they will continue to advance until they cannot advance any further and become obsolete. I do not see this happening within the next 30 years, but by 2050 who knows what'll exist.
But in today's world, tanks and other armoured vehicles are necessary. War will not go away anytime soon, and it's always good to have some depleted uranium between you and the enemy.
by Internationalist Bastard » Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:05 am
by Isilanka » Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:06 am
by Annihilators of Chan Island » Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:08 am
by Fartsniffage » Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:09 am
Annihilators of Chan Island wrote:That impression is largely due to every modern war being a civil war or against an insurgency. In open field battles between nations, tanks are still king (on the ground).
by Conserative Morality » Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:09 am
by Internationalist Bastard » Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:09 am
Isilanka wrote:I think we'll still need the heavies for quite some time.
In a way the debate around tanks is quite similar to the debate around manned jet fighters. Both are expensive to build and maintain and both have proved quite unnefective in asymetric conflicts. However, a weapon system is only viable or not in relative terms, depending on what you use it for and the doctrine of your army. For fighting another conventional army, you still need tanks. I don't think we have yet reached the point where weapons are so effective powerful and heavily armored vehicles aren't useful anymore.
I mean IFVs and stuff are very effective but they are heavily fragile, one shouldn't overestimate them. They're very useful but they can't be the be all and end all of the battlefield.
by Thermodolia » Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:11 am
by Thermodolia » Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:12 am
Fartsniffage wrote:Annihilators of Chan Island wrote:That impression is largely due to every modern war being a civil war or against an insurgency. In open field battles between nations, tanks are still king (on the ground).
I think you'll find that artillery is still king of the battlefield. *polishes gun*
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