LWDT V: Completing the Five Thread Plan

[The Multiversal Communist Collective]

So National Bolshevism is pure tyranny? The state owns everything and the country approaches foreign policy issues very aggressively

Third positionism is a combination of fascism and Bolshevism. Although I oppose nationalism, I recognize that not all forms of communist nationalism are third positionist, Haunani-Kay Trask's left-libertarian perspective, for instance.

[The Multiversal Communist Collective]

No, it didn't. There are actually serious followers of it.

Yep. There are nazbols on NationStates. See also this page of a WordPress blog.

[The Multiversal Communist Collective]

My thought has always been to allow them to dig their own graves.

Nonsense, what you allow people to do is destroy each other, and then swoop in to pick up the pieces after millions are dead, and the rest are disillusioned beyond hope.

The expression digging their own graves is metaphorical.

[Dumb Ideologies]

Y'all could at least do some basic PR stuff and have a pride thread...

You have a fair point with the rest of the post, but I'm gonna step in on this specific point with a SO MUCH NO. The conflation of caring about LGBT issues and subscribing to or supporting the "Pride" movement grinds my gears.

Pride isn't just about supporting the right of LGBT people to exist relatively unharassed. Pride is a vision of what the LGBT community, what it should desire to be, and what kind of world it wants to live in. It's both aesthetic and ideology. The aesthetic is often mired in 1980s-style caricatured stereotypes. Those involved believe that playing up to essentialised ideas of gayness and selectively re-appropriating them provides a common basis for community identity, diminishes discrimination by eroding shock value and profoundly asserting that they will not be forced into the closet or made to conform to wider social norms. While economically agnostic, the movement and its leadership maintains active affiliations with movements of other "oppressed groups", including feminism, and a general orientation towards seeing the progress of the community as tied up with social justice activism, and other related activisms such as student politics, and the wider "antifascist" movement.

Many LGBT people, myself included, HATE pride. Fundamentally, I dislike the focus on its attempt to make itself the definition "what we are" and reduce the "truth" of our identities to stereotypes and caricatures that we do not recognise as reflections of ourselves in the slightest. This is profoundly alienating and it feels like a form of identity theft. The aesthetic is - to many of us - obnoxious, and I cringe deep into my sofa everytime these people get on TV and loudly declare themselves as the representatives of LGBT people, this assumption going thoroughly unchallenged by the news reports. Given the wider political affiliations of Pride and its generally left-liberal leaning and positive orientation towards feminism, it's also fully understandable that even the members of the MRA community that are LGBT don't want much to do with it.

[Torrocca]

Y'all could at least do some basic PR stuff and have a pride thread...

You have a fair point with the rest of the post, but I'm gonna step in on this specific point with a SO MUCH NO. The conflation of caring about LGBT issues and subscribing to or supporting the "Pride" movement grinds my gears.

Pride isn't just about supporting the right of LGBT people to exist relatively unharassed. Pride is a vision of what the LGBT community, what it should desire to be, and what kind of world it wants to live in. It's both aesthetic and ideology. The aesthetic is often mired in 1980s-style caricatured stereotypes. Those involved believe that playing up to essentialised ideas of gayness and selectively re-appropriating them provides a common basis for community identity, diminishes discrimination by eroding shock value and profoundly asserting that they will not be forced into the closet or made to conform to wider social norms. While economically agnostic, the movement and its leadership maintains active affiliations with movements of other "oppressed groups", including feminism, and a general orientation towards seeing the progress of the community as tied up with social justice activism, and other related activisms such as student politics, and the wider "antifascist" movement.

Many LGBT people, myself included, HATE pride. Fundamentally, I dislike the focus on its attempt to make itself the definition "what we are" and reduce the "truth" of our identities to stereotypes and caricatures that we do not recognise as reflections of ourselves in the slightest. This is profoundly alienating and it feels like a form of identity theft. The aesthetic is - to many of us - obnoxious, and I cringe deep into my sofa everytime these people get on TV and loudly declare themselves as the representatives of LGBT people, this assumption going thoroughly unchallenged by the news reports. Given the wider political affiliations of Pride and its generally left-liberal leaning and positive orientation towards feminism, it's also fully understandable that even the members of the MRA community that are LGBT don't want much to do with it.

Queer liberation > rainbow capitalism <3

[Cekoviu]

Y'all could at least do some basic PR stuff and have a pride thread...

You have a fair point with the rest of the post, but I'm gonna step in on this specific point with a SO MUCH NO. The conflation of caring about LGBT issues and subscribing to or supporting the "Pride" movement grinds my gears.

Pride isn't just about supporting the right of LGBT people to exist relatively unharassed. Pride is a vision of what the LGBT community, what it should desire to be, and what kind of world it wants to live in. It's both aesthetic and ideology. The aesthetic is often mired in 1980s-style caricatured stereotypes. Those involved believe that playing up to essentialised ideas of gayness and selectively re-appropriating them provides a common basis for community identity, diminishes discrimination by eroding shock value and profoundly asserting that they will not be forced into the closet or made to conform to wider social norms. While economically agnostic, the movement and its leadership maintains active affiliations with movements of other "oppressed groups", including feminism, and a general orientation towards seeing the progress of the community as tied up with social justice activism, and other related activisms such as student politics, and the wider "antifascist" movement.

Many LGBT people, myself included, HATE pride. Fundamentally, I dislike the focus on its attempt to make itself the definition "what we are" and reduce the "truth" of our identities to stereotypes and caricatures that we do not recognise as reflections of ourselves in the slightest. This is profoundly alienating and it feels like a form of identity theft. The aesthetic is - to many of us - obnoxious, and I cringe deep into my sofa everytime these people get on TV and loudly declare themselves as the representatives of LGBT people, this assumption going thoroughly unchallenged by the news reports. Given the wider political affiliations of Pride and its generally left-liberal leaning and positive orientation towards feminism, it's also fully understandable that even the members of the MRA community that are LGBT don't want much to do with it.

I feel that, although there are problems within pride, it's not in of itself a terrible thing. It's basically a "we're visible and we're not ashamed of who we are" thing imo.

[Ostroeuropa]

Y'all could at least do some basic PR stuff and have a pride thread...

You have a fair point with the rest of the post, but I'm gonna step in on this specific point with a SO MUCH NO. The conflation of caring about LGBT issues and subscribing to or supporting the "Pride" movement grinds my gears.

Pride isn't just about supporting the right of LGBT people to exist relatively unharassed. Pride is a vision of what the LGBT community, what it should desire to be, and what kind of world it wants to live in. It's both aesthetic and ideology. The aesthetic is often mired in 1980s-style caricatured stereotypes. Those involved believe that playing up to essentialised ideas of gayness and selectively re-appropriating them provides a common basis for community identity, diminishes discrimination by eroding shock value and profoundly asserting that they will not be forced into the closet or made to conform to wider social norms. While economically agnostic, the movement and its leadership maintains active affiliations with movements of other "oppressed groups", including feminism, and a general orientation towards seeing the progress of the community as tied up with social justice activism, and other related activisms such as student politics, and the wider "antifascist" movement.

Many LGBT people, myself included, HATE pride. Fundamentally, I dislike the focus on its attempt to make itself the definition "what we are" and reduce the "truth" of our identities to stereotypes and caricatures that we do not recognise as reflections of ourselves in the slightest. This is profoundly alienating and it feels like a form of identity theft. The aesthetic is - to many of us - obnoxious, and I cringe deep into my sofa everytime these people get on TV and loudly declare themselves as the representatives of LGBT people, this assumption going thoroughly unchallenged by the news reports. Given the wider political affiliations of Pride and its generally left-liberal leaning and positive orientation towards feminism, it's also fully understandable that even the members of the MRA community that are LGBT don't want much to do with it.

I used to feel this way, but I think it's basically reached the point now where enough LGBT people are open, out, and not Pride types that it's well understood that it's a specific subset. Maybe not in some places.

The political affiliations problem is the real sticking point after the bans on MRA organizations marching in Pride a few years ago. CAFE specifically, which was a good sign that it was pure misandry at work since CAFE is about the most benign MRA organization there is.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_ ... r_Equality

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

You have a fair point with the rest of the post, but I'm gonna step in on this specific point with a SO MUCH NO. The conflation of caring about LGBT issues and subscribing to or supporting the "Pride" movement grinds my gears.

Pride isn't just about supporting the right of LGBT people to exist relatively unharassed. Pride is a vision of what the LGBT community, what it should desire to be, and what kind of world it wants to live in. It's both aesthetic and ideology. The aesthetic is often mired in 1980s-style caricatured stereotypes. Those involved believe that playing up to essentialised ideas of gayness and selectively re-appropriating them provides a common basis for community identity, diminishes discrimination by eroding shock value and profoundly asserting that they will not be forced into the closet or made to conform to wider social norms. While economically agnostic, the movement and its leadership maintains active affiliations with movements of other "oppressed groups", including feminism, and a general orientation towards seeing the progress of the community as tied up with social justice activism, and other related activisms such as student politics, and the wider "antifascist" movement.

Many LGBT people, myself included, HATE pride. Fundamentally, I dislike the focus on its attempt to make itself the definition "what we are" and reduce the "truth" of our identities to stereotypes and caricatures that we do not recognise as reflections of ourselves in the slightest. This is profoundly alienating and it feels like a form of identity theft. The aesthetic is - to many of us - obnoxious, and I cringe deep into my sofa everytime these people get on TV and loudly declare themselves as the representatives of LGBT people, this assumption going thoroughly unchallenged by the news reports. Given the wider political affiliations of Pride and its generally left-liberal leaning and positive orientation towards feminism, it's also fully understandable that even the members of the MRA community that are LGBT don't want much to do with it.

Queer liberation > rainbow capitalism <3

Very well thought out as usual, Torrocca .

[Benuty]

Nonsense, what you allow people to do is destroy each other, and then swoop in to pick up the pieces after millions are dead, and the rest are disillusioned beyond hope.

The expression digging their own graves is metaphorical.

Leave it to a communist to underestimate the value of self-imploding genocide or for that matter not be a diehard textual literalist.

The latter is worse than young-earth creationists because at least they know how to farm, unlike the Soviets.

[Great Minarchistan]

Don't be that low IQ dcf, try to figure out the cryptic references I've just implied :^)

I think my Ph.D. is proof enough that I do not have a low IQ. However, no thanks. I would rather not spend my time playing mind games.

woodrow wilson had a phd too but his actions in the presidency make me question his iq
(the following are not even a matter of ideology, who the fuck intervenes in a war at a last-minute decision, causes two sharp recessions while in office and ranks its own daughter to FLOTUS following the death of the actual first lady?)

[Torrocca]

Queer liberation > rainbow capitalism <3

Very well thought out as usual, Torrocca .

I'm at the apex of intelligible, reasoned enlightenment, conrad. AMA about my euphoric understanding of the world :^)

[Rashidi Jabal Shammar]

National Bolshevism isn't as extreme as most people think. The party is just full of skinheads and punks, the actual ideology is sound.

[Torrocca]

National Bolshevism isn't as extreme as most people think. The party is just full of skinheads and punks, the actual ideology is sound.

NazBolism is fucking spooky as hell m8

[Rashidi Jabal Shammar]

NazBolism is fucking spooky as hell m8

no u ;^)

[Torrocca]

NazBolism is fucking spooky as hell m8

no u ;^)

*ehem* w r o n g

[Irou]

National Bolshevism isn't as extreme as most people think. The party is just full of skinheads and punks, the actual ideology is sound.

You understand

[Rashidi Jabal Shammar]

National Bolshevism isn't as extreme as most people think. The party is just full of skinheads and punks, the actual ideology is sound.

You understand

Another fourth positionist, eh? Congrats on being W O K E

I'm a Eurasianist though, which is separate but similar to National Bolshevism.

[Torrocca]

National Bolshevism isn't as extreme as most people think. The party is just full of skinheads and punks, the actual ideology is sound.

You understand

>Neo-Confederate

A N G E R Y

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

You understand

Another fourth positionist, eh? Congrats on being W O K E

I'm a Eurasianist though, which is separate but similar to National Bolshevism.

Nintendo confirms 4th positionist ideology in the 2nd 2016 U.S presidential debate.

[Rashidi Jabal Shammar]

Nintendo confirms 4th positionist ideology in the 2nd 2016 U.S presidential debate.

Pokemon-go to the polls...?

[Cekoviu]

Another fourth positionist, eh? Congrats on being W O K E

I'm a Eurasianist though, which is separate but similar to National Bolshevism.

Nintendo confirms 4th positionist ideology in the 2nd 2016 U.S presidential debate.

Nintendo would have my vote if it ran on a platform of "make Pokemon real."

[West Leas Oros]

Daily reminder that “liberalism is just communism!” Is an idiotic statement and a disgrace to the ideals of the communist ideology.

[Free American Empire-]

You understand

>Neo-Confederate

A N G E R Y

Down with the traitors, up with the stars!

[West Leas Oros]

>Neo-Confederate

A N G E R Y

Down with the traitors, up with the stars!

*Proceeds to recite the entire Gettysburg address*

[-United Republic of Freedonia]

rainbow

If my "adopted" Chi´selna babies can't praise the Rainbow Serpent when the revolution comes, i'm going to declare Operation Condor on all of you ok i'm sorry, that was too harsh, but instead i'm going to make a strongly worded letter on how i hate the direction of this political process.

Nintendo would have my vote if it ran on a platform of "make Pokemon real."

in Pokeuniverse healthcare is free, sooooooooooo...

Btw, Wario should be General Secretary instead of Mario.