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by Greater Independent Colorado » Sun Jun 03, 2018 12:37 pm
by Valrifell » Sun Jun 03, 2018 12:39 pm
Greater Independent Colorado wrote:I'm pretty sure cloning Jesus would result in at least, like, 5 whole new denominations of Christianity, Islam, and Mormonism. As well as a whole new Abrahamic religion.
sounds like fun, let's do it
by Katganistan » Sun Jun 03, 2018 1:00 pm
Eternal Lotharia wrote:Geneviev wrote:Yes. Exactly. And then he would say some things like:
"Well no wonder you're declining, look at what you're saying."
"I hate people? I think you missed something."
"I turned water into wine. I don't think you understand the concept of Alcohol Is Allowed."
"I never said the greatest commandment is hate thy neighbour as thy enemy."
"You idiots, I ate with sinners and now you're refusing to let someone enter your church because they insulted you?"
You know, the things Jesus would say now.
We need a comedy of this, tbh.
by Salus Maior » Sun Jun 03, 2018 1:03 pm
by Arkeyana » Sun Jun 03, 2018 1:20 pm
Korhal IVV wrote:Then the scientists who did this would be condemned as Excommunicaus Traitoris and sentenced to death by the Holy Inquisitoj of the God Emperor of Mankind
Not realistic, in any way. Other than the fact that it is heresy, it is heresy, and that we aren’t sure if the holy relics are actually objects used by Him or just random things placed in by the old government of the Catholic Church back then(which is more corrupt than a Dark Eldar’s harem house).Also, it is heresy.
Valrifell wrote:Y'all need Jesu- wait.
Greater Independent Colorado wrote:I'm pretty sure cloning Jesus would result in at least, like, 5 whole new denominations of Christianity, Islam, and Mormonism. As well as a whole new Abrahamic religion.
sounds like fun, let's do it
by Coolao » Sun Jun 03, 2018 2:16 pm
by Right wing humour squad » Sun Jun 03, 2018 2:19 pm
by Frieden-und Freudenland » Sun Jun 03, 2018 4:26 pm
Salus Maior wrote:It wouldn't be the same person.
Believe it or not, cloning irl doesn't work the same way it does in the movies.
by Huntpublic » Sun Jun 03, 2018 4:36 pm
Right wing humour squad wrote:Why only clone one?
We could have all Jesus all in brawls?
16 Jesus enter only the chosen one leaves!
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by Salus Maior » Sun Jun 03, 2018 6:02 pm
Frieden-und Freudenland wrote:Salus Maior wrote:It wouldn't be the same person.
Believe it or not, cloning irl doesn't work the same way it does in the movies.
Yup. Imagine someone coming to you and telling you that you were actually the clone of this or that important person who lived in the past... Would you believe that? Being cloned is not the same as being re-surrected. It's a big like being re-incarnated, so you preserve no memory of your past life, hence you'll have a hard time convincing Jesus that he is actually Jesus.
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Another point I am curious about concerns Christian theology, I guess. The question I have is: what makes Jesus the son of God? Is it his DNA, or something intangible, like a "soul" that God infused him with? If it is the latter, then you can't technically clone Jesus at all - I mean, at least Christians could argue that. Because you would have only cloned the physical body of Jesus, but his soul, which was crafted by God, would be missing. (Now, if you ask my personal opinion, I neither believe in a soul as distinct from the human brain, nor do I believe in Immaculate Conception. But I wanted to bring up an interesting point that comes up when you believe in these two things.)
by Ethel mermania » Sun Jun 03, 2018 6:31 pm
Salus Maior wrote:Frieden-und Freudenland wrote:Yup. Imagine someone coming to you and telling you that you were actually the clone of this or that important person who lived in the past... Would you believe that? Being cloned is not the same as being re-surrected. It's a big like being re-incarnated, so you preserve no memory of your past life, hence you'll have a hard time convincing Jesus that he is actually Jesus.
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Another point I am curious about concerns Christian theology, I guess. The question I have is: what makes Jesus the son of God? Is it his DNA, or something intangible, like a "soul" that God infused him with? If it is the latter, then you can't technically clone Jesus at all - I mean, at least Christians could argue that. Because you would have only cloned the physical body of Jesus, but his soul, which was crafted by God, would be missing. (Now, if you ask my personal opinion, I neither believe in a soul as distinct from the human brain, nor do I believe in Immaculate Conception. But I wanted to bring up an interesting point that comes up when you believe in these two things.)
No, no, when I mean that it wouldn't be the same person, it DNA speaking would likely not be the same person.
When a human is in development, there are a lot of DNA switches that can turn on or off more or less randomly, this is also true in cloning. You could try to clone a brown haired-blue-eyed man, but thanks to those switches (given the DNA) you could end up with say a green-eyed blonde haired man. Essentially, a different person, comparable to a fraternal twin (which, fun fact, all twins fraternal and identical are technically clones of each other).
You could try to clone Jesus, but you'd only make his twin. Either identical or fraternal, and as far as I'm aware there's no way to really control how those switches work.
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Oh no, it's much more...intellectually intense than that. The thing is, Jesus existed co-eternally with God the Father, as God the Son, in fact Jesus is God along with God the Father and God the Holy Spirit. In Christian doctrine it is heavily emphasized that the Son was not a created being, but co-eternal with the Father, and was made incarnate as a human through the power of the Holy Spirit in Mary. So...No, Christians would say His soul wasn't created.
I know how much of a mind-bender that is, but trust me that's as simple as I can make it lol.
by Digital Planets » Sun Jun 03, 2018 8:24 pm
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by Anywhere Else But Here » Mon Jun 04, 2018 12:32 am
Salus Maior wrote:Frieden-und Freudenland wrote:Yup. Imagine someone coming to you and telling you that you were actually the clone of this or that important person who lived in the past... Would you believe that? Being cloned is not the same as being re-surrected. It's a big like being re-incarnated, so you preserve no memory of your past life, hence you'll have a hard time convincing Jesus that he is actually Jesus.
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Another point I am curious about concerns Christian theology, I guess. The question I have is: what makes Jesus the son of God? Is it his DNA, or something intangible, like a "soul" that God infused him with? If it is the latter, then you can't technically clone Jesus at all - I mean, at least Christians could argue that. Because you would have only cloned the physical body of Jesus, but his soul, which was crafted by God, would be missing. (Now, if you ask my personal opinion, I neither believe in a soul as distinct from the human brain, nor do I believe in Immaculate Conception. But I wanted to bring up an interesting point that comes up when you believe in these two things.)
No, no, when I mean that it wouldn't be the same person, it DNA speaking would likely not be the same person.
When a human is in development, there are a lot of DNA switches that can turn on or off more or less randomly, this is also true in cloning. You could try to clone a brown haired-blue-eyed man, but thanks to those switches (given the DNA) you could end up with say a green-eyed blonde haired man. Essentially, a different person, comparable to a fraternal twin (which, fun fact, all twins fraternal and identical are technically clones of each other).
You could try to clone Jesus, but you'd only make his twin. Either identical or fraternal, and as far as I'm aware there's no way to really control how those switches work.
by Old Varegia » Mon Jun 04, 2018 12:37 am
by Bearical » Mon Jun 04, 2018 2:38 am
Sougra wrote:The blAAtschApen wrote:So, with the advent of human cloning technology. Should we clone Jesus? There might be some usable DNA left in one of the relics (holy foreskin?). Thus, we can clone Him and force the second coming. And third, and fourth, why stop at only one
Or even better yet, a Jesus for everyone. Think of it :Your Own Personal Jesus *cue good Depeche Mode song*
In the end, the second coming is very important for various faiths. Why not help it a hand and force the issue
You're literally describing a Star Trek: The Next Generation episode right now.
by An Alan Smithee Nation » Mon Jun 04, 2018 3:05 am
by Ifreann » Mon Jun 04, 2018 3:09 am
by Hirota » Mon Jun 04, 2018 4:34 am
Sounds like an episode of American Gods.The blAAtschApen wrote:Or even better yet, a Jesus for everyone. Think of it :Your Own Personal Jesus *cue good Depeche Mode song*
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