Anyway, I think Brazil or Germany has the best chance of the finals, with France, Argentina, and Spain vying behind.
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by Outer Sparta » Sun May 27, 2018 2:53 pm
by Shofercia » Sun May 27, 2018 5:07 pm
Fartsniffage wrote:Shofercia wrote:
I agree, it was definitely intentional, but here's my issue with a 3 game UEFA ban. It doesn't really punish Ramos. You're playing 6 group stage games, and Real Madrid is good enough to withstand even a 6 game UEFA ban on Ramos. And then, when the final comes again, Ramos can just take out another star. Such a ban would essentially encourage the same thing to happen all over again. If you're doing a UEFA ban, it should be for at least 8 games, so that Real Madrid can feel the impact. Otherwise, you're just giving him a free ride.
I hate Ramos, have for years. He's a fantastically dirty player who gets away with it time and time again.
Problem is, I can't see how UEFA could get a long ban to stick. Officially his record is pretty clear.
by Fartsniffage » Sun May 27, 2018 5:20 pm
Shofercia wrote:Fartsniffage wrote:
I hate Ramos, have for years. He's a fantastically dirty player who gets away with it time and time again.
Problem is, I can't see how UEFA could get a long ban to stick. Officially his record is pretty clear.
Hence my suggestion for the World Cup punishment. You punish someone like that once, and the players will remember, and there will be less douchebaggery. Otherwise it'll simply continue.
by Bombadil » Sun May 27, 2018 8:25 pm
by Starblaydia » Sun May 27, 2018 8:42 pm
by Bombadil » Mon May 28, 2018 5:40 am
by Starblaydia » Mon May 28, 2018 6:38 am
Bombadil wrote:I don't know if you can determine that Ramos was deliberate, though lord knows his previous form doesn't help but it did change the complexion of the game. If you watch the first half hour Liverpool press up until the GK gets the ball, and then they force RM to play out and press the defenders and midfield - that is they don't press the GK but they do press the defenders and midfield.
Once Salah is out they move to an effective 3-5-1 and allow RM to press out of their half.
Technically you could argue that Klopp should have stuck with 4-3-3 rather than go defensive, and that an injury to Salah shouldn't have changed that but then it was notable that Klopp had little depth on the bench compared to RM. You could also argue that Carvajel is a better attacking defender than Nachos, and that RM could have won by more if Carvajel also hadn't gone out.
First team for team and I think Liverpool would have won it, but football is also about replacement options.
I don't know, nor can anyone, determine whether Ramos specifically thought to dislocate Salah's shoulder, did he create a tackle that aimed to hurt.. it's part of the overall game and one that Liverpool lost but, for me, more for their lack of options on the bench and timidity in not maintaining a high press on RM's defenders and midfield.
Such is the game.
by The Blaatschapen » Mon May 28, 2018 7:37 am
by Starblaydia » Mon May 28, 2018 9:01 am
by The Blaatschapen » Mon May 28, 2018 10:07 am
Starblaydia wrote:
(emphasis mine) I'd wager all three other British nations do not count themselves as lucky in this regard having a) not made the Cup in the first place, and b) not seeing England knocked out at the earliest opportunity.
by Starblaydia » Mon May 28, 2018 10:42 am
by The Blaatschapen » Mon May 28, 2018 10:49 am
Starblaydia wrote:The blAAtschApen wrote:So you're hoping for an Exit?
I'm hoping England exit the tournament with the trophy that looks like you held a melon and dipped your hand into custard. It's the rest of the UK that will want us to lose
by The Archregimancy » Mon May 28, 2018 1:17 pm
Starblaydia wrote:
(emphasis mine) I'd wager all three other British nations do not count themselves as lucky in this regard having a) not made the Cup in the first place, and b) not seeing England knocked out at the earliest opportunity.
The blAAtschApen wrote:Eh, Scotland loves you. They voted stay in union with you
by The Archregimancy » Mon May 28, 2018 1:23 pm
by Starblaydia » Mon May 28, 2018 1:51 pm
The Archregimancy wrote:Not everyone in the UK who isn't English wants England to do badly in the World Cup. I'd be perfectly happy to see England do well.
by The Blaatschapen » Mon May 28, 2018 2:14 pm
The Archregimancy wrote:
Not everyone who's Scottish suffers from rampant Anglophobia.
by The Archregimancy » Mon May 28, 2018 2:16 pm
Starblaydia wrote:The Archregimancy wrote:Not everyone in the UK who isn't English wants England to do badly in the World Cup. I'd be perfectly happy to see England do well.
I'd wager post-Brexit vote that may have shifted somewhat, from a nationwide perspective. Also a lot of the flags waved at the '66 final were specifically British flags, I seem to recall from the replays. Waving St. George's cross around didn't seem to be a thing.
by Shofercia » Mon May 28, 2018 3:23 pm
by Fartsniffage » Mon May 28, 2018 3:28 pm
The Archregimancy wrote:Starblaydia wrote:I'd wager post-Brexit vote that may have shifted somewhat, from a nationwide perspective. Also a lot of the flags waved at the '66 final were specifically British flags, I seem to recall from the replays. Waving St. George's cross around didn't seem to be a thing.
As it happens, one of my lectures on the development of different types of nationalism in the UK post-WWII addresses that very topic (see also '66 mascot World Cup Willy [slang also seems to have moved on since '66]).
But that would likely lead to a derail; a topic for another thread, perhaps.
by The Archregimancy » Tue May 29, 2018 2:45 am
by The Blaatschapen » Tue May 29, 2018 2:48 am
by South Toronto » Tue May 29, 2018 4:39 am
by Nazis in Space » Tue May 29, 2018 9:30 am
South Toronto wrote:Believe it or not- my country Uganda could've qualified if Egypt weren't so damn good (for an African nation). It'll be interesting to see what Egypt and Nigeria can do in their group and as we all know nothing is a guaranteed win for the top nations.
by Fartsniffage » Tue May 29, 2018 9:37 am
Nazis in Space wrote:South Toronto wrote:Believe it or not- my country Uganda could've qualified if Egypt weren't so damn good (for an African nation). It'll be interesting to see what Egypt and Nigeria can do in their group and as we all know nothing is a guaranteed win for the top nations.
Speaking of which, do we have any data points on how good Egypt is without Salah?
I'm usually skeptical about one-man teams (unless I want to insult the Welsh, at any rate), by which I mean that I sincerely doubt it's just that one man. Else, you'd think that Finland would have qualified for, well, something when Jari Litmanen was around in the 1990s, so I'm less than convinced that Egypt is ded without him, but, you know...
Hard data would be neat.
by Arcoto » Wed May 30, 2018 7:21 pm
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