SC Questions & Answers

[Flanderlion]

In the past, it's been used to throw out things like "Condemn Your Mom", and that's a power I'd rather not get rid of.

Ransium is not alone in this judgement. I don't want the rule tossed either.

Having joke proposals where the author literally said it was a joke proposal to make fun of the SC

I haven't seen that post. Was it on the forums prior to the proposal being ruled legal? Because apart from the one line about the overuse of pink, I think it reads as a serious proposal. Pretty much every SC proposals pokes somebody with a sharp stick through the bars of their cage. I'm not seeing anything significantly different in "Liberate The East Pacific".

Referring to the Condemn Souls/Harenhime or whatever it is.

[Ever-Wandering Souls]

Other have called it a "joke." I've said it's somewhat of a "work of satire" designed to contrast the recent/current atmosphere by fully jumping the shark, and in reply to Ransium calling it a joke, "a shitpost half-built on circular logic [in] the middle of a bunch of other meaningless, self-important proposals, to provide a 'compare and contrast' moment, as well as to experiment a bit with less convention campaign tones for future use." That said, I've also made sure it's fully legal, asked others to check the same in the thread prior, got a thumbs up from Wrapper there, and gotten two legal marks on it in queue.

The rule against "joke proposals" itself says such proposals will always be a judgement call by moderation, which seems to have been made here. Though, mind you, following the link in the rule back to the 2009 reasoning, the reasoning seems to be "we don't want the WA to be stuck with them as legislation" (which seems to run counter to what Ransium just said about letting the voters assess quality) and "not-so-funny joke C&Cs that flame their subject when quorum is so low there's a risk of them getting to vote," which, well, flaming is it's own rule, and quroum is anything but low at the moment.

*sees ardch browsing*

[Consular]

So reading between the (unnecessarily defensive) lines, it is still illegal to submit joke proposals? Not sure why answering that question was so difficult for mods.

I generally agree that voters should have enough common sense to not let jokes pass without mod interference.

[Ransium]

So reading between the (unnecessarily defensive) lines, it is still illegal to submit joke proposals? Not sure why answering that question was so difficult for mods.

I generally agree that voters should have enough common sense to not let jokes pass without mod interference.

Yes, it’s still illegal.

[La Navasse]

Is it illegal to pursue a draft that Condemns, Commends, or Liberates a nation or region that already exists as a draft by another player?

[Lord Dominator]

Is it illegal to pursue a draft that Condemns, Commends, or Liberates a nation or region that already exists as a draft by another player?

It's not exactly the nicest thing to do, but assuming a lack of plagiarism I would be pretty sure it's legal

[Northern Saxonia]

my proposal was illegal due to me using the word "userite"

is it acceptable if i correct this error and re-upload the proposal?

[Lenlyvit]

my proposal was illegal due to me using the word "userite"

is it acceptable if i correct this error and re-upload the proposal?

Yes, its legal. Just say something like "a nation from outside the feeders and sinkers".

[West Leas Oros]

My question is, what do you recommend a first time coauthor to do? What sorts of general improvements can help a resolution to be better?

[Lord Dominator]

My question is, what do you recommend a first time coauthor to do? What sorts of general improvements can help a resolution to be better?

Research, both of whatever your target is, and of resolutions with similar goals and/or precedents

[West Leas Oros]

My question is, what do you recommend a first time coauthor to do? What sorts of general improvements can help a resolution to be better?

Research, both of whatever your target is, and of resolutions with similar goals and/or precedents

10Q

[North Curbstompia]

So how does one go about getting a condemnation?

[Lord Dominator]

So how does one go about getting a condemnation?

By being Condemnable
More specifically, you're good at being bad ICly (very few exceptions to this)

[North Curbstompia]

So how does one go about getting a condemnation?

By being Condemnable
More specifically, you're good at being bad ICly (very few exceptions to this)

So I just have to post the nastier stuff I do and I get the "you're evil" badge for that?

[Frisbeeteria]

So I just have to post the nastier stuff I do and I get the "you're evil" badge for that?

Not exactly. Being nasty is more likely to get you deleted than condemned. It's a fine line, and you've been on the wrong side of it more often than not.

[Triangle And Square]

Sorry if this sounded silly, but... are you allowed to self-commend, so long as you have really good and convincing reasons for it?

[Unibot III]

Sorry if this sounded silly, but... are you allowed to self-commend, so long as you have really good and convincing reasons for it?

Yes you're allowed but it's looked down upon socially.

[Triangle And Square]

Sorry if this sounded silly, but... are you allowed to self-commend, so long as you have really good and convincing reasons for it?

Yes you're allowed but it's looked down upon socially.

should be, yeah

[The Order of the EZIC Salt]

Title, but I'd also like to know the same for self-condemnations and liberations. I started thinking about this and then proceeded to bring it up when a nation whom shall not be named attempted to commend themselves for vaguely stated reasons, which was then deemed illegal due to rule 3. (Apologies if this is the wrong forum to ask this in.)

[Wrapper]

Right forum, wrong topic. Merged with Q&A. I'll let someone with a better sense of SC history answer, but I will say, nowadays, a great many voters come out strongly against any sort of self-commendations (and self-condemnations too, I suppose).

If, by self-liberation, you mean someone liberating their own region that's under attack, there's nothing wrong with that -- many voters will only vote for a liberation if it has support of long-time residents ("natives") -- but I don't know for sure how often it happens.

[Shwe Tu Colony]

From an IC perspective, how severe are condemnations for how someone's nation is behaving in terms of IC nation-based roleplay (not raiding/defending/proposal writing/issue writing, but things like in the National & International Roleplaying forum)? Would it be expected for other nations to decide to embargo, sanction, & denounce a condemned nation, or are IC condemnations for a nation's behavior pretty harmless?

[Yohannes]

Hi Shwe Tu Colony,

When Automagfreek was condemned back in 2012 (and the drafting thread was first created in this sub-forum), multiple nations declared embargo on him (and also tried to invade the region of Gholgoth) in the International Incidents sub-forum. His condemnation thread was unique also in that people (not from the traditional RP communities) who usually wouldn't bother to pretend to roleplay in this sub-forum (because this is not a roleplaying sub-forum) actually wrote RP posts here (Zemnaya Svoboda from The North Pacific was one of them, Glen-Rhodes another, Unibot, Goobergunchia the historical creator of NSWiki, etc.)

Ralkovia's condemnation (forgot what year it was) was another one that attracted the same kind of thing (though by not as much)

I am sorry if this is not the answer you're looking for (or if this is not the appropriate place for this)

[Shwe Tu Colony]

Hi Shwe Tu Colony,

When Automagfreek was condemned back in 2012 (and the drafting thread was first created in this sub-forum), multiple nations declared embargo on him (and also tried to invade the region of Gholgoth) in the International Incidents sub-forum. His condemnation thread was unique also in that people (not from the traditional RP communities) who usually wouldn't bother to pretend to roleplay in this sub-forum (because this is not a roleplaying sub-forum) actually wrote RP posts here (Zemnaya Svoboda from The North Pacific was one of them, Glen-Rhodes another, Unibot, Goobergunchia the historical creator of NSWiki, etc.)

Ralkovia's condemnation (forgot what year it was) was another one that attracted the same kind of thing (though by not as much)

I am sorry if this is not the answer you're looking for (or if this is not the appropriate place for this)

I really wouldn't have cared what answer I was going to get, so long as there was an answer. So it does matter... nyohohoho... This opens a door to a fate of Parfuhmerie that I've been playing around with.

[Meme Star]

How do I join "SC"

[Ransium]

How do I join "SC"

The World Assembly (WA) has two bodies the General Assembly (GA) and the Security Council (SC). All nations which are WA member (which you are) are part of both bodies.