by New Owca » Tue May 15, 2018 10:13 pm
by Internationalist Bastard » Tue May 15, 2018 10:19 pm
by Risottia » Wed May 16, 2018 12:36 am
by Bombadil » Wed May 16, 2018 12:37 am
by Vassenor » Wed May 16, 2018 12:41 am
by Cannot think of a name » Wed May 16, 2018 12:46 am
Vassenor wrote:So we're doing the "why are we vilifying the Nazis and not the communists" shtick again?
Brace yourselves. NSG Summer is coming.
by Hirota » Wed May 16, 2018 2:40 am
I'd submit that you answered your own question regarding why people in the west think of the Holocaust more than other genocides.New Owca wrote:Far and away, the most offensive symbol in modern western culture is the Nazi Hakenkreuz, or Swastika. It symbolises one of the cruellest dictatorships in modern history, responsible for at least 14 million deaths. However, Nazi Germany was not the only dictatorship of the 20th century. The USSR under Stalin, for example, is estimated to have killed between 9 and 50 million. The Khmer Rouge killed 21% of Cambodia's total population. Franco's "White Terror" has a kill count between 200,000 and 400,000. All these dictatorships had ideologies and symbols, but none of them has gathered quite as much attention as the Hakenkruez. Why is this?
Why do you think the Swastika stands head and shoulders above other murderous symbols? Why are symbols like the hammer and sickle or red star, symbols of communism, not seen in the same negative light as the Swastika? Why are other symbols of fascism, like the Italian Falange or the Greek Labrys, not well known whilst almost everyone recognizes the symbol of the Nazis? Does the Swastika represent fascism as a whole, or merely the Nazi's unique form of fascism? And at what point does a symbol become associated with the murderous regimes that use them?
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by Conserative Morality » Wed May 16, 2018 3:31 am
by Imperializt Russia » Wed May 16, 2018 3:35 am
Also,Lamadia wrote:dangerous socialist attitude
Imperializt Russia wrote:I'm English, you tit.
by Purpelia » Wed May 16, 2018 4:45 am
Imperializt Russia wrote:All the other regimes you listed killed people for being "enemies of the state" and political opponents. Disgusting, unquestionably so, but impossibly far removed from the systematic, industrialised slaughter of the Nazis who used racist pseudoscience to artificially categorise people into what amounted to "human" and "non-human" races and have them killed because they believed in the inferiority of these races.
And, just to make it clear, it's not the raw bodycount that makes the Nazis so despised. As I said, it is the motivations they used to justify them.
by The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Wed May 16, 2018 4:46 am
Risottia wrote:And hereby I declare NS Summer to have begun.
by A m e n r i a » Wed May 16, 2018 4:51 am
by Democratic Exodian Territories » Wed May 16, 2018 4:56 am
A m e n r i a wrote:Actually, the hammer and sickle is viewed worse than a swastika. You can wave a nazi flag and people would just look at you weird. Wave a USSR flag, and you'll hear "Communist!" "Atheist!" And other stuff getting yelled at to you from the populace. You might even get arrested. Like you said, the swastika is offensive in western culture. It's not like that in my home country.
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by A m e n r i a » Wed May 16, 2018 5:01 am
Democratic Exodian Territories wrote:A m e n r i a wrote:Actually, the hammer and sickle is viewed worse than a swastika. You can wave a nazi flag and people would just look at you weird. Wave a USSR flag, and you'll hear "Communist!" "Atheist!" And other stuff getting yelled at to you from the populace. You might even get arrested. Like you said, the swastika is offensive in western culture. It's not like that in my home country.
Wish it was like that here. The US used to be the most anti-communist country in the world, (and they did take it too far many times), but the social response is an absolute pushover.
Wave a hammer and sickle and people won’t give a shit. Some will even applaud you. Wave a swastika, and people will practically conspire to kill you within 2 seconds of them seeing you.
by Dylar » Wed May 16, 2018 5:09 am
St. Albert the Great wrote:"Natural science does not consist in ratifying what others have said, but in seeking the causes of phenomena."
Franko Tildon wrote:Fire washes the skin off the bone and the sin off the soul. It cleans away the dirt. And my momma didn't raise herself no dirty boy.
by Democratic Exodian Territories » Wed May 16, 2018 5:09 am
A m e n r i a wrote:Democratic Exodian Territories wrote:Wish it was like that here. The US used to be the most anti-communist country in the world, (and they did take it too far many times), but the social response is an absolute pushover.
Wave a hammer and sickle and people won’t give a shit. Some will even applaud you. Wave a swastika, and people will practically conspire to kill you within 2 seconds of them seeing you.
So you prefer fascism to commumism, and you're American? That's an interesting perspective. Though with the American and Chinese rivalry, I'm not that surprised that an American would oppose communism.
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by True Alimeria » Wed May 16, 2018 5:12 am
by Old Tyrannia » Wed May 16, 2018 5:17 am
Imperializt Russia wrote:All the other regimes you listed killed people for being "enemies of the state" and political opponents. Disgusting, unquestionably so, but impossibly far removed from the systematic, industrialised slaughter of the Nazis who used racist pseudoscience to artificially categorise people into what amounted to "human" and "non-human" races and have them killed because they believed in the inferiority of these races.
Vassenor wrote:So we're doing the "why are we vilifying the Nazis and not the communists" shtick again?
Brace yourselves. NSG Summer is coming.
by Vassenor » Wed May 16, 2018 5:18 am
by Sovaal » Wed May 16, 2018 5:19 am
by Democratic Exodian Territories » Wed May 16, 2018 6:15 am
True Alimeria wrote:White Supremacist symbols look ugly af.
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by Dylar » Wed May 16, 2018 6:17 am
St. Albert the Great wrote:"Natural science does not consist in ratifying what others have said, but in seeking the causes of phenomena."
Franko Tildon wrote:Fire washes the skin off the bone and the sin off the soul. It cleans away the dirt. And my momma didn't raise herself no dirty boy.
by Hirota » Wed May 16, 2018 6:33 am
Indeed, I think it's only in current use by the Capirote in Spain.Dylar wrote:Democratic Exodian Territories wrote:
The Celtic Cross alone is far from a hateful symbol, being a symbol meant to be holy and Christian.
But when one of those pointy hood-wearing freaks tarnishes it, it’s now gone down the drain.
The hoods and cloaks that the KKK wear weren't actually created by the KKK. They're a Catholic vestment. Though, you won't see clergy wear it much. Probably because the KKK tarnished that too...
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